Minato can make good use of SM.

[Gold Lightning]

Your sig though, calm down the storm will pass

His sig does have a point though no?

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Your sig though, calm down the storm will pass

I can't help it. The argument's too ridiculous to not make fun of. Idiocy in general ticks me off just so we're clear.

 

[Erebus]

I can't help it. The argument's too ridiculous to not make fun of. Idiocy in general ticks me off just so we're clear.

Lol, some people just like to blow things out of proportion, i don't know who called our blond sunflower a fodder but the only thing wrong with his SM is that it needs to time, like Naruto use to stand in one spot to gather chakra b4, i'm sure Minato has to do something like that but for longer, but if he did, he would most likely get stabbed, at the end Minato's just saving his skin Though i'd have loved to see his capabilities with SM.

EDIT: Seems like the problem is holding the nature chakra, if he really did want to use it then he'd probably have to do it the way Jaraiya did it, i'm still a little confused about the whole thing though

 

[Dantee]

Lol, First off, Minato's not my fave. My fave's Naruto and I happen to like Minato. Second, I just go by what I observe. Third, What I'm saying is not contradicting Minato. I think that he can either enter it really quickly at the cost of lasting a small amount of time, or take a ton of time just for the average periods.

I guess that would be the case for someone like Naruto. However Minato says he bad at senjutsu. I think he meant he can only maintain it for short bursts for reasons above. He never used it in an actual fight because of the short bursts. Performing ftg to avoid your opponents while trying to gather nature energy? Please tell me you didn't think about this twice how ridiculous it sounds.

 

[DHOH]

I can't understand how people are still coming up with opinions after the manga explain it. Minato said he's not good at it and he can't hold it long... What more do you want?

Naruto is a perfect Sage and can hold it for only five minutes. There is no way Minato can hold sage mode for half the time and claim that he's not good at it. That's like saying I suck at basketball but I'm in the NBA; making a living off of doing something I suck at.

We can all have different interpretations and mine is at best, Minato can hold sage mode for 30 seconds. Like others said he don't need sage mode, that's why Kishi made him bad at it.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

I guess that would be the case for someone like Naruto. However Minato says he bad at senjutsu. I think he meant he can only maintain it for short bursts for reasons above. He never used it in an actual fight because of the short bursts. Performing ftg to avoid your opponents while trying to gather nature energy? Please tell me you didn't think about this twice how ridiculous it sounds.

Why do you think I made it option B and said that the hole in option B is why I think option A is the case? It's because option B is the only alternative, and it sounds ridiculous, but I was rolling with it anyway.


Not generally being suited for battle doesn't mean it's only can be used in short bursts. Case in point.

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The thing is, Minato's statement applied to all SM users that don't have some sort of trick or can't enter it super fast for long periods of time like Hashirama. Fukasaku made the same kind of judgement for Naruto, who could stay in it for 5 minutes. So Minato saying it isn't that practical doesn't necessarily mean he could only use it for short bursts.

 

[Dantee]

Why do you think I made it option B and said that the hole in option B is why I think option A is the case? It's because option B is the only alternative, and it sounds ridiculous, but I was rolling with it anyway.


Not generally being suited for battle doesn't mean it's only can be used in short bursts. Case in point.

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The thing is, Minato's statement applied to all SM users that don't have some sort of trick or can't enter it super fast for long periods of time like Hashirama. Fukasaku made the same kind of judgement for Naruto, who could stay in it for 5 minutes. So Minato saying it isn't that practical doesn't necessarily mean he could only use it for short bursts.

My last post for tonight. I gotta smoke my weed and do some homework but I just thought of something important. We know to enter sage mode you need to balance senjutsu with your regular chakra. Well it would impossible for Minato to gather an abundance amount of senjutsu to stay in sage mode. This would go against the rule and turn him into a frog.

Minato turned into a perfect sage that chapter. No denying that, but he only maintained it for the interaction between Madara and obito. This was roughly a a minute at most. (Minato was still on ground and Obitos hand was still in Madaras stomach, I can't give him more time than that). So whatever time frame you come up with in that chapter that is Minatos max imo.

 

[Gold Lightning]

This was roughly a a minute at most. (Minato was still on ground and Obitos hand was still in Madaras stomach, I can't give him more time than that). So whatever time frame you come up with in that chapter that is Minatos max imo.

Unless he dispelled the sage mode, we can't completely guess based off the manga scans. The same way it's unclear how fast Minato entered sage mode because the scans make it seem instant.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

My last post for tonight. I gotta smoke my weed and do some homework but I just thought of something important. We know to enter sage mode you need to balance senjutsu with your regular chakra. Well it would impossible for Minato to gather an abundance amount of senjutsu to stay in sage mode. This would go against the rule and turn him into a frog.

Minato turned into a perfect sage that chapter. No denying that, but he only maintained it for the interaction between Madara and obito. This was roughly a a minute at most. (Minato was still on ground and Obitos hand was still in Madaras stomach, I can't give him more time than that). So whatever time frame you come up with in that chapter that is Minatos max imo.

It was about 2 and a half minutes. You have to take into consideration that the ninjas will be pausing, looking around, ect.

 

[scorezor]

i really don't get how you people THINK that you can count time in anime and manga lol.... IT'S AN ANIME , NOT A REAL LIFE THING LOL. even in that... it can be cuts in stuff lol...

 

[dtninja831]

Yea I don't understand this either, people are complaining when the answer in this week's chapter. Seriously read it!! Everyone assumes he can use sage mode like a master when in fact he never learned it from Lord Fukusaku. I highly doubt he did. He never needed Senjutsu before but I have a feeling Jiraiya taught him the basics like using senjutsu with the rasengan after using all his normal chakra.

The debate should be over, Minato is a novice compared to Naruto or Jaraiya when using senjutsu. But like it was stated above there was no need for him to use it until this point. Madara cannot be damaged unless someone with strong taijutsu or senjutsu hits him,

 

[Xāvî1]

Nah he didn't enter SM after throwing the kunai lol. He was saying Senjutsu...Rasengan. His SM lasts about 5-20 seconds flat.

This thread has been soloed

 

[GenKiDama]

Since when? I've never seen that. Which thread?

for some time now. it has replaced the godlike ammounts of itachi wanking there used to be.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

This thread has been soloed

A post like that does not solo my thread. No supporting evidence, no logic behind it, just a statement. A post like that does not solo anything.

SM was forming after the kunai was thrown. Mangafact. I'll be perfectly honest. 5-20 seconds sounds extreme, and nothing has indicated it's that short.

 

[Gold Lightning]

People forget the time of Gaara sand rising. Minato had to have thrown the kunai before the sand wall was fully up. So the time kunai landed is when he started gathering senjutsu and the time the wall reached its highest point is when Minato finished gathering the necessary amount of senjutsu and entering sage mode.

 

[itachi uchiha fiance]

yes he can................

 

[shelke]

God, not THIS ... again. Minato did not enter SM quickly. He had been gathering NE (Natural Chakra) and kneading it to form Senjutsu for the whole chapter. Minato himself declares that it takes 'Too Long' to Knead Chakra, he isn't good at it at all, and he cannot maintain it for a long time. Now Naruto, who is a perfect Sage cannot last a second longer than 5 minutes. You think a character who has just said he basically fails at SM stays in it for 2 minutes, half the time of a perfect SM? No way.

Minato, given by the images, lasted 5 seconds tops in SM. I think it's about time you people just accepted it that he's bad at SM, just plain Bad.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

God, not THIS ... again. Minato did not enter SM quickly. He had been gathering NE (Natural Chakra) and kneading it to form Senjutsu for the whole chapter. Minato himself declares that it takes 'Too Long' to Knead Chakra, he isn't good at it at all, and he cannot maintain it for a long time. Now Naruto, who is a perfect Sage cannot last a second longer than 5 minutes. You think a character who has just said he basically fails at SM stays in it for 2 minutes, half the time of a perfect SM? No way.

Minato, given by the images, lasted 5 seconds tops in SM. I think it's about time you people just accepted it that he's bad at SM, just plain Bad.

Sigh, then explain his motion. Also, Naruto has trained beyond the limit of 5 minutes.

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Minato saying he's not that good(not bad) is very subjective. For all we know, SM Naruto during Pain, with the exception of clones, was "bad."

 

[Gold Lightning]

God, not THIS ... again. Minato did not enter SM quickly. He had been gathering NE (Natural Chakra) and kneading it to form Senjutsu for the whole chapter. Minato himself declares that it takes 'Too Long' to Knead Chakra, he isn't good at it at all, and he cannot maintain it for a long time. Now Naruto, who is a perfect Sage cannot last a second longer than 5 minutes. You think a character who has just said he basically fails at SM stays in it for 2 minutes, half the time of a perfect SM? No way.

Minato, given by the images, lasted 5 seconds tops in SM. I think it's about time you people just accepted it that he's bad at SM, just plain Bad.

Explain the motion lines in the panel that Minato activated the sage mode, because from my understanding you need to be still. Or the fact that he threw the kunai before he entered sage mode, meaning he gathered senjutsu in the time it took for Gaara to build his sand wall.

 

[shelke]

Sigh, then explain his motion. Also, Naruto has trained beyond the limit of 5 minutes.

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Minato saying he's not that good(not bad) is very subjective. For all we know, SM Naruto during Pain, with the exception of clones, was "bad."

No, a clear-cut statement isn't subjective at all. You are adding the notion of subjectivity to it. It's Minato's words, over your interpretations. Naruto in SM without syncing it with Kurama's Chakra was out of juice after using the same number of FRSs' even in the war-arc. I have no idea where you got this idea that he has trained beyond it.

SM Naruto is okay-ish, really. Despite being an imperfect Sage, Jiraiya has far too many SM Techniques at his disposal to take out both Minato and Naruto in SM matches.