Minato can make good use of SM.

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I just thought I'd make this thread since everyone's been saying he can't make use of it.


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Yes, I'm fully aware of Minato's statement and that he can't maintain it for long. It's probably under 5 minutes. Now, that being said, I don't think he's limited to a couple seconds. I think the people who say he can only use senjutsu for one attack are taking Minato's statement out of context. He said "I can't maintain it for long" not "I can only use it for an instant." Just because he said he can't use it for long, doesn't mean he lost it as soon as he was hit. Remember, we haven't seen when he lost it. We just saw him after Madara and Obito's conversation out of SM. This could be anywhere between several seconds to several minutes. It's completely up to interpretation, so there's no right or wrong answer, so no insulting others over this in the thread please. I've counted how long it took to see Minato without sage eyes again. It's probably somewhere below 2 and a half minutes.


Just because he said he's never used it before, doesn't mean it's not useful. Take these 3 scans.

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Why these scans? I chose the first one to demonstrate that there was no ninja in Minato's time that could truly rival him, indicating that he was never in a situation where he'd need senjutsu. The second and 3rd is to demonstrate that Minato does have techniques he rarely use that are strong. These 2 show that just because Minato didn't use senjutsu in battle, doesn't mean he never could.

Now, how he can make use of it. I'm going to use this scan to make a point.

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Minato entered SM after throwing a kunai.(and yes you've heard a similar argument from Bogard) You can't absorb natural energy while moving. That's cannon. This leaves one of 2 conclusions.


A. Minato Began entering Sage Mode after throwing the kunai, which means he has the ability to enter sage mode very fast, but this results in it being a short burst, and if he wants it longer, he'll have to take some time to enter it(this is what I think).


B. Minato can store natural energy. In other words, he can move in between meditating and still enter SM eventually.(although we have not seen any feat like this, which is why I think it's A) If this is the case, then he can use FTG when someone attempts to interrupt his meditation which makes it virtually impossible to stop him from entering it.


There's also the advantage of being an FTG user is that there's always an escape route, meaning as the fight goes on, he can teleport to distant marks to give him enough time to enter SM. Not to mention clones can delay enemies as well.

So he either can use it for short bursts when entering very quickly, or can interrupt and resume SM prep at will. Over all, Minato can most certainly make use of SM.
 

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Nah he didn't enter SM after throwing the kunai lol. He was saying Senjutsu...Rasengan. His SM lasts about 5-20 seconds flat.
 

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I just thought I'd make this thread since everyone's been saying he can't make use of it.


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Yes, I'm fully aware of Minato's statement and that he can't maintain it for long. It's probably under 5 minutes. Now, that being said, I don't think he's limited to a couple seconds. I think the people who say he can only use senjutsu for one attack are taking Minato's statement out of context. He said "I can't maintain it for long" not "I can only use it for an instant." Just because he said he can't use it for long, doesn't mean he lost it as soon as he was hit. Remember, we haven't seen when he lost it. We just saw him after Madara and Obito's conversation out of SM. This could be anywhere between several seconds to several minutes. It's completely up to interpretation, so there's no right or wrong answer, so no insulting others over this in the thread please. I've counted how long it took to see Minato without sage eyes again. It's probably somewhere below 2 and a half minutes.


Just because he said he's never used it before, doesn't mean it's not useful. Take these 3 scans.

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Why these scans? I chose the first one to demonstrate that there was no ninja in Minato's time that could truly rival him, indicating that he was never in a situation where he'd need senjutsu. The second and 3rd is to demonstrate that Minato does have techniques he rarely use that are strong. These 2 show that just because Minato didn't use senjutsu in battle, doesn't mean he never could.

Now, how he can make use of it. I'm going to use this scan to make a point.

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Minato entered SM after throwing a kunai.(and yes you've heard a similar argument from Bogard) You can't absorb natural energy while moving. That's cannon. This leaves one of 2 conclusions.


A. Minato Began entering Sage Mode after throwing the kunai, which means he has the ability to enter sage mode very fast, but this results in it being a short burst, and if he wants it longer, he'll have to take some time to enter it(this is what I think).


B. Minato can store natural energy. In other words, he can move in between meditating and still enter SM eventually.(although we have not seen any feat like this, which is why I think it's A) If this is the case, then he can use FTG when someone attempts to interrupt his meditation which makes it virtually impossible to stop him from entering it.


There's also the advantage of being an FTG user is that there's always an escape route, meaning as the fight goes on, he can teleport to distant marks to give him enough time to enter SM. Not to mention clones can delay enemies as well.

So he either can use it for short bursts when entering very quickly, or can interrupt and resume SM prep at will. Over all, Minato can most certainly make use of SM.

Thank god you said it's your opinion at bold, fukusaku said that naruto surpassed both of them so he can't have it longer or equally to naruto, never.

But i agree with everything else.
 

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Thank god you said it's your opinion at bold, fukusaku said that naruto surpassed both of them so he can't have it longer or equally to naruto, never.

But i agree with everything else.


Never claimed he could have it for 5 minutes period. I think he'd have it below 5 minutes, but longer than what was demonstrated.


Nah he didn't enter SM after throwing the kunai lol. He was saying Senjutsu...Rasengan. His SM lasts about 5-20 seconds flat.


And I suppose the SHH sound effects on his eyes are there for no reason?
 
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He can obviously make use of it in battle and he can obviously use it for a short while (not seconds -_-). It's just Minato was strong enough without it.
 

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Agreed.

Although his character pretty much is a speedy type, so taking time to enter Sage mode is not necessary against the fodder types he was facing in the 3rd war :)
 

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In your opinion, how many minutes?

3-4 minutes. That's my guess since Naruto just seemed to learn the basics of SM during the Pain arc. Then again, I think what he demonstrated was at tops 2 1/2 minutes.
 

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And I suppose the SHH sound effects on his eyes are there for no reason?

Do you think he threw the kunai with his eyes closed? Minato said it himself it takes to long to knead the chakra for senjutsu. Minato can't make use of SM in battle. The 2nd half of this thread is laughable at best.
 

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3-4 minutes. That's my guess since Naruto just seemed to learn the basics of SM during the Pain arc. Then again, I think what he demonstrated was at tops 2 1/2 minutes.

Alright thanks for the time.
 

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Do you think he threw the kunai with his eyes closed? Minato said it himself it takes to long to knead the chakra for senjutsu. Minato can't make use of SM in battle. The 2nd half of this thread is laughable at best.


No, eyes being closed it not a requirement for SM. It's easy to say something's bad. Anyone can do that. For instance, I could just insult you and call you an illogical hater and it'd be just as valid as your insult about my thread. The only question is if you are good enough to back your claims.


Alright thanks for the time.


You're welcome. I enjoy calm discussions as well.
 
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No one can use frog sage mode for a long time, Naruto couldn't either he had to use shadow clones.

Minato could use SM for more than on e attack, but he never gathered the chakra before a fight, naruto did vs pain and thats why he used it longer
 

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No, eyes being closed it not a requirement for SM. It's easy to say something's bad. Anyone can do that. For instance, I could just insult you and call you an illogical hater and it'd be just as valid as your insult about my thread. The only question is if you are good enough to back your claims.

Right, Right, but I've discussed it to death. I'll let you believe whatever you want. Minato wankery is like 2nd nature here.
 

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Look at the SHH SHH lines text in the panel of Minato's sage mode. That indicates the toad sage pigments below Minato's eyes suddenly appearing. Yet Minato threw the Kunai before that panel, but you can't move while gathering senjutsu right? Meaning he did it pretty fast.

I'm not saying Minato went into sage mode instantly, I recon he threw it while Gaara was building his sand wall, and while the wall was still low, Minato threw the kunai over the wall before it rose too high. From that point is where I believe Minato gathers the senjutsu. Which is still quite fast.

My personal opinion is that the less senjutsu you gather, the faster you go into the mode but the quicker you finish the senjutsu; which is what I think happened here.
 
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You're welcome. I enjoy calm discussions as well.

Same as me.

No one can use frog sage mode for a long time, Naruto couldn't either he had to use shadow clones.

Minato could use SM for more than on e attack, but he never gathered the chakra before a fight, naruto did vs pain and thats why he used it longer

Naruto sage modes goes that quickly because of FRS, it takes too much chakra, imagine Oodama FRS.
 

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Since when? I've never seen that. Which thread?

How many Minato fanboy threads have been made damage controlling Minato 1,2,3...I can't count on two hands and honestly idc anymore. For some reason Minato says one thing and you guys think completely opposite.
 

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How many Minato fanboy threads have been made damage controlling Minato 1,2,3...I can't count on two hands and honestly idc anymore. For some reason Minato says one thing and you guys think completely opposite.


Lol, First off, Minato's not my fave. My fave's Naruto and I happen to like Minato. Second, I just go by what I observe. Third, What I'm saying is not contradicting Minato. I think that he can either enter it really quickly at the cost of lasting a small amount of time, or take a ton of time just for the average periods.
 

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