MS Itachi vs. Gaara

[Gaara Of The Death]

Itachi's reputation as a Genjutsu master and an Uchiha, a clan known for their Ocular Genjutsu will allow Gaara the knowledge of avoiding eye contact until he is a suitable distance away, ending all chances of Genjutsu. Sand armor counters Amaterasu. If he attempts it, it will be blocked and he will be finished. Starting distance is 45 meters as said on OP.

Starting distance is 35, how does Garra avoid eye contact considering Itachi can force a close quarters engagement due to his speed, also sand armour on blocks him for atrematsu once of Itachi uses it a 2nd time before Garra and activate it again GG Gaara.​

 

[king gaara]

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He is nothing but a mere dot, yet genjutsu still worked.
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When exactly was the Genjutsu utilized, though?

i really liked this whole debate between you 2 guys. and the posts i quoted in particular, when i read that i was expecting a different link altogether, when i saw that one i was impressed.

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but i would have posted that instead and theres a couple good reasons why. so seeing you post that 1 surprised me you coulda even posted both. this is real long distance genjutsu. . not to say that gaara doesnt win or that itachi could or couldnt do that, but if theres something factual to back up either side ill point it out.

i think there was stuff that could have been done better from both but its ypur debate not mine. and wtf im no judge im just a lurker. its a really good debate tho, i hope it concludes =D

^ That 'the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence' logic is not going to work with me. Bring out proof, or you have nothing. Even at that terrible eye-sight, Itachi still used Genjutsu at start, Tsukuymoi, A large scaled Amaterasu sweep that engulfed the whole surrounding trees, maintained V4 Susano'o for quite a while. All Itachi needs is one genjutsu and logically, we both know how this would end.

have you seen current chapters? these low lvl chunin are throwing out 1000* that, itachis staminas worth nothing these days. kakashi is using 500 different techs over & over, he and everyone in the alliance, and gaara have been fighting for over 3 days straight. its not even close to enough u listed everything he performed right there, and using a bunch of ms techs in a short amount of time is detrimental no matter if ur going blind or not. and for quite awhile is just wrong, he had susanoo up for almost no time, compared to sasuke who was already half dead and held it up for 2 hours easy(yes exaggeration).

i was going to leave it at that but im going to say something else. the main difference between itachi and sasuke is stamina its what makes sasuke superior by far. hes proved to us now he can handle way more than itachi ever could and whats hes done now is simply superior. the best tactic to beating itachi is outlasting him and gaaras perfectly equipped to doing it, he doesnt even have to outlast him though and byakusharinnegan gave great reasons why.

i think gaara wins as should anyone, but ive no qualms about defending itachi here, if only to prove gaara wins that much easier. ill attack weak points no amtter whos side they come from. if theyre from byaku, ill go even harder on those. if we play devil's advocate it should only help gaara in the end, when we eliminate the impossible he surely wins.

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

Starting distance is 35, how does Garra avoid eye contact considering Itachi can force a close quarters engagement due to his speed, also sand armour on blocks him for atrematsu once of Itachi uses it a 2nd time before Garra and activate it again GG Gaara.​

This is what happened to Itachi following him using Amaterasu one time.

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Even if it's possible for Itachi to use more than one Amaterasu in this battle, they're not going to be one after another. Gaara is going to take advantage of this 'cooldown' period, and then it could possibly be GG.

And regarding Yasaka Magatama; has Itachi even used that technique without being an Edo?

 

[Chīkara]

First of all, it's impossible that the Raikage's foot landed on the front of the Susano'o ribcage, because it was

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; the reason Sasuke had to use Kagutsuchi in the first place.

Smh... its always open [

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Another picture [

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of Susano'o. Susano'o is the materialisation of the users chakra, so he is completely protected, this is a fact.

Enton weighs as much as fire, so it's impossible it took any of the impact; the only other reasonable idea is that the sand took full impact.

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So it doesn't weighs as much as fire, that's a fact.

The sand was lighter and as such quicker; against Uchiha Madara, this was an entirely necessary precaution. He was an Edo, with unlimited chakra and not to mention he's more experienced with Susano'o than Itachi. As I said earlier, name me one speed/power feat that proves that Gaara's sand, which is already light and fast enough to slip in spaces near instantaneously[

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As I Said gaara isn't able to pull itachi out of susano'o simply because the sand is too heavy,
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Not to mention that in terms of constricting, worst case scenario Gaara possesses this[

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The scan you show here is obviously a Jin Gaara feat.

 

[Gaara Of The Death]

This is what happened to Itachi following him using Amaterasu one time.

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Even if it's possible for Itachi to use more than one Amaterasu in this battle, they're not going to be one after another. Gaara is going to take advantage of this 'cooldown' period, and then it could possibly be GG.

And regarding Yasaka Magatama; has Itachi even used that technique without being an Edo?

That's him at near death after years of using it, and it was hinted that his limit is like 3 MS moves. So even though there is a cool down pierior it last ofr like a couple of seconds. GG Gaara.

Also i'm pretty sure you don't get new moves as an edo so he could use it while alive.​

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

That's him at near death after years of using it, and it was hinted that his limit is like 3 MS moves. So even though there is a cool down pierior it last ofr like a couple of seconds. GG Gaara.

Also i'm pretty sure you don't get new moves as an edo so he could use it while alive.​

I'm not questioning whether or not it was in his arsenal, I'm questioning whether or not he'd be able to actually use it without GG'ing himself. It was used by both Madara and Itachi when they were both Edo and had unlimited Chakra; for all we know, Madara never used it when he was alive.

As I said, we're not debating with a fanfiction Itachi here. This is Itachi who was in the state he was right before he fought Sasuke.

I'll get to a counter for -Sasuke later.

 

[Boston Rob]

Itachi neg diff, no knowledge means instant Sharingan genjutsu, people who saying Gaara wins are just stupid i guess

 

[Chīkara]

i really liked this whole debate between you 2 guys. and the posts i quoted in particular, when i read that i was expecting a different link altogether, when i saw that one i was impressed.

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but i would have posted that instead and theres a couple good reasons why. so seeing you post that 1 surprised me you coulda even posted both. this is real long distance genjutsu. . not to say that gaara doesnt win or that itachi could or couldnt do that, but if theres something factual to back up either side ill point it out.

i think there was stuff that could have been done better from both but its ypur debate not mine. and wtf im no judge im just a lurker. its a really good debate tho, i hope it concludes =D

True good that you posted that 1 I couldn't find it, There is also this one [

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[AGoodBoy]

Itachi obviously wins.
His fundamentals(shuriken, speed) are just too good.

Bunch of people in this thread are listing jin gaara feats that would destroy war gaara's chakra pool.

 

[genii96]

Itachi obviously wins.
His fundamentals(shuriken, speed) are just too good.

Bunch of people in this thread are listing jin gaara feats that would destroy war gaara's chakra pool.

shurikens beating gaara?Lol

incase you dont know,gaara was in base,shukaku had no influence whatsoever.

 

[AGoodBoy]

shurikens beating gaara?Lol

incase you dont know,gaara was in base,shukaku had no influence whatsoever.

Shukaku gives him increased chakra and stamina. Those feats are impossible without shukaku as evidenced by the fact that a couple, much smaller, attacks drained war gaara.

 

[Chīkara]

I'm pissed, my phone logged me out while replying again!!!

Anyway, to make this short. That claim makes no sense. If Deidara was placed in Genjutsu on ch 359 pg 5 as i said, he wouldn't notice him escaping, as genjutsu is an illusion. Also, Deidara pretending to be caught. If you look at page 18 of ch 360, Deiara was hidden prior the sharingan eyes appearing.

Sasuke said everything was genjutsu,meaning him turning to ash, running etc was an illusion. He had to perform that before c4 was presented.

Do you really believe, after looking back Sasuke noticed mini bombs, c4 radius and casted Deidara in Genjutsu in one shot?

Sasuke looked to his side to view its approach. Deidara was behind him, there is no way he made eye contact.

Even if Sasuke used it at that moment {doubt it} It was still a longe range genjutsu. [

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case because look what Tobi said about Sasuke's genjutsu [

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More long range genjutsu.

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[Boston Rob]

shurikens beating gaara?Lol

incase you dont know,gaara was in base,shukaku had no influence whatsoever.

Part 1 Sasuke is faster than his sand, just saying.........

 

[genii96]

Shukaku gives him increased chakra and stamina. Those feats are impossible without shukaku as evidenced by the fact that a couple, much smaller, attacks drained war gaara.

shukaku gave gaara nothing,save the sand manipulation. Gaara,after his fight with naruto,wanted nothing to do with shukaku,and supressed it. Shukaku would give gaara chakra only if gaara tapped into his power,and why would he do that if he didnt want aything to do with shukaku?.

Gaara in an actual desert like suna and gaara in a rocky barren wasteland are not the same thing either,and current gaara's been fighting for days,why would he be using massive sand attacks?,especially when he has allies around that could get hurt. Gaara supressed shukaku from the SRA arc,base gaara did all that,shukaku had nothing to do with it,

Part 1 Sasuke is faster than his sand, just saying.........

yea,and part 1 gaara's sand is faster than kimimaro who shits on part 1 sasuke in speed. Keep your fanficiton to yourself.

 

[Boston Rob]

shukaku gave gaara nothing,save the sand manipulation. Gaara,after his fight with naruto,wanted nothing to do with shukaku,and supressed it. Shukaku would give gaara chakra only if gaara tapped into his power,and why would he do that if he didnt want aything to do with shukaku?.

Gaara in an actual desert like suna and gaara in a rocky barren wasteland are not the same thing either,and current gaara's been fighting for days,why would he be using massive sand attacks?,especially when he has allies around that could get hurt. Gaara supressed shukaku from the SRA arc,base gaara did all that,shukaku had nothing to do with it,





yea,and part 1 gaara's sand is faster than kimimaro who shits on part 1 sasuke in speed. Keep your fanficiton to yourself.

Itachi >>>>>>>> Kimimaru >= part 1 Sasuke > Gaaras sand

 

[Chīkara]

shukaku gave gaara nothing,save the sand manipulation. Gaara,after his fight with naruto,wanted nothing to do with shukaku,and supressed it. Shukaku would give gaara chakra only if gaara tapped into his power,and why would he do that if he didnt want aything to do with shukaku?.

Gaara in an actual desert like suna and gaara in a rocky barren wasteland are not the same thing either,and current gaara's been fighting for days,why would he be using massive sand attacks?,especially when he has allies around that could get hurt. Gaara supressed shukaku from the SRA arc,base gaara did all that,shukaku had nothing to do with it,





yea,and part 1 gaara's sand is faster than kimimaro who shits on part 1 sasuke in speed. Keep your fanficiton to yourself.

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Gaara could comfortably use Shukaku's power and it did boost his chakra and stamina.


And Itachi is .5 faster than Kimi just saying.

 

[Ψ Veritas Ψ]

What was it again that tore the gokages ass? it was Susanoo wasnt it, granted it was PS, but stil...

I cant believe some of you actually believe Gaara would win this

lets look at Itachi's arsenal

Susanoo
Amaterasu "this will keep him busy while susanoo tears his ass apart"
Tsukuyoumi "Gaara better watch his feet, since hes no jinchuuriki anymore"
Totsuka "not that he needs it"
Yata "just for the heck of it"
Izanami "well that probably wont on gaara, so forget it"
Itachi is faster, Smarter and much more expierienced

This isnt a match, its an execution for Gaara

 

[AGoodBoy]

shukaku gave gaara nothing,save the sand manipulation. Gaara,after his fight with naruto,wanted nothing to do with shukaku,and supressed it. Shukaku would give gaara chakra only if gaara tapped into his power,and why would he do that if he didnt want aything to do with shukaku?.

Gaara in an actual desert like suna and gaara in a rocky barren wasteland are not the same thing either,and current gaara's been fighting for days,why would he be using massive sand attacks?,especially when he has allies around that could get hurt. Gaara supressed shukaku from the SRA arc,base gaara did all that,shukaku had nothing to do with it,





yea,and part 1 gaara's sand is faster than kimimaro who shits on part 1 sasuke in speed. Keep your fanficiton to yourself.

Gaara can casually tap into shukaku's power whenever he wants. Shukaku doesn't need to give him anything because

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. Gaara can go full shukaku form and use everything shukaku can, except wind bullets and tbb's, without ever releasing shukaku. Furthermore, Jins can go 'tailed form' or non tailed form to boost their chakra with their beasts, as seen umpteen times in the manga. For that matter, gaara was

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during the fight with deid, so what you're saying is already meaningless.

Gaara's never been capable of reproducing anything on that scale since losing shukaku.
Infact, your entire 'itachi's stamina' argument is weak because great chakra control negates bad stamina.
- Find me a scan where stamina ever had the slightest effect in an itachi fight. Stamina arguments are weak cop-outs when you have nothing else to say.

PS: I wasn't even talking about that far. When gaara was fighting edo kage, he used only 1 large scale attack and a bunch of smaller ones and still drained his chakra by the point madara came(few minutes later). His pool isn't that big.

 

[shelke]

have you seen current chapters? these low lvl chunin are throwing out 1000* that, itachis staminas worth nothing these days. kakashi is using 500 different techs over & over, he and everyone in the alliance, and gaara have been fighting for over 3 days straight. its not even close to enough u listed everything he performed right there, and using a bunch of ms techs in a short amount of time is detrimental no matter if ur going blind or not. and for quite awhile is just wrong, he had susanoo up for almost no time, compared to sasuke who was already half dead and held it up for 2 hours easy(yes exaggeration).

i was going to leave it at that but im going to say something else. the main difference between itachi and sasuke is stamina its what makes sasuke superior by far. hes proved to us now he can handle way more than itachi ever could and whats hes done now is simply superior. the best tactic to beating itachi is outlasting him and gaaras perfectly equipped to doing it, he doesnt even have to outlast him though and byakusharinnegan gave great reasons why.

i think gaara wins as should anyone, but ive no qualms about defending itachi here, if only to prove gaara wins that much easier. ill attack weak points no amtter whos side they come from. if theyre from byaku, ill go even harder on those. if we play devil's advocate it should only help gaara in the end, when we eliminate the impossible he surely wins.
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All of this is conjecture and besides the point and Kakashi has never used 500 techs all manga pages combined 3 times over, let alone in a span of about 2 days. Look at the distance and then the points, Gaara lacks speed to elude two fastest Doujutsus in the manga. That is all what is needed to seal his deal.

 

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Gaara could comfortably use Shukaku's power and it did boost his chakra and stamina.


And Itachi is .5 faster than Kimi just saying.

show me where gaara ever used shujaku from the SRA arc onward. Current gaara is faster tham kimi too.

Gaara can casually tap into shukaku's power whenever he wants. Shukaku doesn't need to give him anything because

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. Gaara can go full shukaku form and use everything shukaku can, except wind bullets and tbb's, without ever releasing shukaku. Furthermore, Jins can go 'tailed form' or non tailed form to boost their chakra with their beasts, as seen umpteen times in the manga. For that matter, gaara was

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during the fight with deid, so what you're saying is already meaningless.

Gaara's never been capable of reproducing anything on that scale since losing shukaku.
Infact, your entire 'itachi's stamina' argument is weak because great chakra control negates bad stamina.
- Find me a scan where stamina ever had the slightest effect in an itachi fight. Stamina arguments are weak cop-outs when you have nothing else to say.

PS: I wasn't even talking about that far. When gaara was fighting edo kage, he used only 1 large scale attack and a bunch of smaller ones and still drained his chakra by the point madara came(few minutes later). His pool isn't that big.

so gaara who swore never to use shukaku again,or use his power suddenly started using him the moment deidara showed up? That makes sense to you? Whenever gaara used shukaku,he had his features,just like naruto,against deidara nothing like that happened,nor was it even hinted. Shukaju interefering is ur speculation. He never showed any fatigue when attacking the kages,only when facing the mizukage who had his weakness,md he wasmt even out of chakra,as he beat him later on. Itachi turned off his sharingan after 2 small amas and one tsuki. He suffered from chakra strains several times against sasuke. This point is useless.