MS Itachi vs. Gaara

[adeshina365]

Itachi wins with low-mid difficulty.

 

[Chīkara]

So apparently, I get it wrong? There's nothing to get wrong. A's attack clearly broke through Susano'o, and that wasn't even his strongest attack, not to mention he had to get past Amaterasu first.

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Minimized versions of Sand Burial were crushing human bones when Gaara was twelve. I have reason to believe that he can crack Ribcage, or at least restrain it so he can drag Itachi out and proceed to crush him.

Yes you are wrong, Look at this.

''The user wraps their body in a layer of lightning chakra that, instead of being used offensively, is used to electrically stimulate the user's nervous system. The technique speeds up neural synapses to react faster, and to push physical prowess to the absolute limit''

Raikage is already strong himself and Raiton no Yoroi boost that power even more, and why do you keep mentioning Amaterasu, because from what I know raikage lost his arm due to the same amaterasu he was able to ''break''

The power of raikage's attack are FAR above Gaara's sand crushing which Ribcage Susano'o was able to tank.

Raikage used Raigā Bomu on of his strongest attack's and Sasuke was still able to block it with ribcage susano, gaara isn't crushing Itachi, if Madara with v2 susano was comfortably able to dash out of 1 of gaara's strongest seals

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

Yes you are wrong, Look at this.

''The user wraps their body in a layer of lightning chakra that, instead of being used offensively, is used to electrically stimulate the user's nervous system. The technique speeds up neural synapses to react faster, and to push physical prowess to the absolute limit''

Raikage is already strong himself and Raiton no Yoroi boost that power even more, and why do you keep mentioning Amaterasu, because from what I know raikage lost his arm due to the same amaterasu he was able to ''break''

The power of raikage's attack are FAR above Gaara's sand crushing which Ribcage Susano'o was able to tank.

Raikage used Raigā Bomu on of his strongest attack's and Sasuke was still able to block it with ribcage susano, gaara isn't crushing Itachi, if Madara with v2 susano was comfortably able to dash out of 1 of gaara's strongest seals

@Bold: Thank you for proving my point.

This same 'peak of physical prowess' was

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by a small sheet of Gaara's sand. This same sand is strong enough to constrict Susano'o to the point of cracking, by which point Itachi can either be dragged out of Susano'o, his Susano'o can be finished with a Sand Burial, or Gaara can simply wait for Itachi's chakra to run out.

 

[Chīkara]

@Bold: Thank you for proving my point.

This same 'peak of physical prowess' was

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by a small sheet of Gaara's sand. This same sand is strong enough to constrict Susano'o to the point of cracking, by which point Itachi can either be dragged out of Susano'o, his Susano'o can be finished with a Sand Burial, or Gaara can simply wait for Itachi's chakra to run out.

That sand was under Amaterasu which was under Ribcage Susano'o
three layers to block the Kick, the Sand was only there to protect Raikage from burning himself
which should be really obvious, and as I said that sand isn't constricting Susano'o since it didn't work
On a v2 Susano'o from Madara.

That sand can easily be destroyed with Yasaka Magata as showed right here. [

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[Byakusharinnegan]

That sand was under Amaterasu which was under Ribcage Susano'o
three layers to block the Kick, the Sand was only there to protect Raikage from burning himself
which should be really obvious, and as I said that sand isn't constricting Susano'o since it didn't work
On a v2 Susano'o from Madara.

That sand can easily be destroyed with Yasaka Magata as showed right here. [

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Under? Unless you literally have the scan upside down, you either can't be serious, or you need glasses. It didn't take three layers to take the kick, he literally didn't even make it past the first.

And he can be 'constricted' long enough to be dragged out of Susano'o.

 

[Chīkara]

Under? Unless you literally have the scan upside down, you either can't be serious, or you need glasses. It didn't take three layers to take the kick, he literally didn't even make it past the first.

And he can be 'constricted' long enough to be dragged out of Susano'o.

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As you can see enton nearly touched A's feet, Gaara used the sand to block the enton, but A's feet landed on tree layers

- Sand.
- Enton.
- Susano'o ribcage.

And thus completely blocking the attack.

And tell me how Gaara can constrict Susanoó and pull him out without onohki being there ?
Because from what I can remember he said this [

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the sand was light so that made him more powerfull. without Ohnoki there he can't do that.

 

[genii96]

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As you can see enton nearly touched A's feet, Gaara used the sand to block the enton, but A's feet landed on tree layers

- Sand.
- Enton.
- Susano'o ribcage.

And thus completely blocking the attack.

And tell me how Gaara can constrict Susanoó and pull him out without onohki being there ?
Because from what I can remember he said this [

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the sand was light so that made him more powerfull. without Ohnoki there he can't do that.

you really need to wash your eyes. Gaara blocked both the enton and the kick,it didt budge at all. Lightening a jutsu makes it weaker incase you havent notices,which is why Onoki had to ride on Ay.

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

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As you can see enton nearly touched A's feet, Gaara used the sand to block the enton, but A's feet landed on tree layers

- Sand.
- Enton.
- Susano'o ribcage.

And thus completely blocking the attack.

And tell me how Gaara can constrict Susanoó and pull him out without onohki being there ?
Because from what I can remember he said this [

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the sand was light so that made him more powerfull. without Ohnoki there he can't do that.

First of all, it's impossible that the Raikage's foot landed on the front of the Susano'o ribcage, because it was

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; the reason Sasuke had to use Kagutsuchi in the first place. Enton weighs as much as fire, so it's impossible it took any of the impact; the only other reasonable idea is that the sand took full impact.

The sand was lighter and as such quicker; against Uchiha Madara, this was an entirely necessary precaution. He was an Edo, with unlimited chakra and not to mention he's more experienced with Susano'o than Itachi. As I said earlier, name me one speed/power feat that proves that Gaara's sand, which is already light and fast enough to slip in spaces near instantaneously[

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] can be escaped by Itachi's stamina-taxing Susano'o.

Not to mention that in terms of constricting, worst case scenario Gaara possesses this[

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], a bind that Deidara was only able to escape via his sheer speed on his bird, of which Kitsuchi said,

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[Gaara Of The Death]

Itachi takes this.​

 

[Haizaki]

Tough match up but Itachi takes this just because I can't figure out how Gaara deals with his genjutsu

 

[shelke]

Itachi takes this mid difference at the very worse. Gaara's sand has no speed feats to avoid Amaterasu Spawn on him or any of Itachi's Genjutsu. These two techniques alone are game-changers here.

This, IMO. Flight counters Susano'o techs, he can literally drag Itachi out of Susano'o, his attacks strike from all around so Yata isn't doing shit. Amaterasu is countered by sand.

No he cannot. Gaara cannot drag anyone outside Susano'o with Onoki lightening his sand AND the Sand in the surrounding area.

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

Itachi takes this mid difference at the very worse. Gaara's sand has no speed feats to avoid Amaterasu Spawn on him or any of Itachi's Genjutsu. These two techniques alone are game-changers here.



No he cannot. Gaara cannot drag anyone outside Susano'o with Onoki lightening his sand AND the Sand in the surrounding area.

@Bold: Doesn't make much sense.

Aside from Tsukuyomi, which genjutsu can't Gaara counter? Crow Genjutsu is countered by Suna Arare if it's even possible for it to go long range, Sharingan Genjutsu is all but useless at long ranges in this battle especially what with Itachi's already shitty eyesight, and I have reason to believe that Sand Armor can potentially shed off Amaterasu's impact.

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As we've seen before, Amaterasu takes time to completely burn through objects [

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]. The Samurai's armor was never completely burned through. Given the range of the rest of the techniques he'll have to use in this battle, Itachi will have about one Amaterasu to spare; once this is shed off by the Sand Armor, he'll be

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No he cannot.Gaara cannot drag anyone outside Susano'o with Onoki lightening his sand AND the Sand in the surrounding area.

Just because that's what happened versus Madara doesn't mean he's required to have his sand lightened. Madara was an Edo, had unlimited chakra and a huge stamina boost. Versus Itachi's, who's already compromising a good deal of his mobility in Susano'o form, assuming he's suitably restrained via

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, there's no reason that he shouldn't be able to drag Itachi out.

 

[shelke]

@Bold: Doesn't make much sense.

Aside from Tsukuyomi, which genjutsu can't Gaara counter? Crow Genjutsu is countered by Suna Arare if it's even possible for it to go long range, Sharingan Genjutsu is all but useless at long ranges in this battle especially what with Itachi's already shitty eyesight, and I have reason to believe that Sand Armor can potentially shed off Amaterasu's impact.

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As we've seen before, Amaterasu takes time to completely burn through objects [

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-(7 panels later)-

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]. The Samurai's armor was never completely burned through. Given the range of the rest of the techniques he'll have to use in this battle, Itachi will have about one Amaterasu to spare; once this is shed off by the Sand Armor, he'll be

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Just because that's what happened versus Madara doesn't mean he's required to have his sand lightened. Madara was an Edo, had unlimited chakra and a huge stamina boost. Versus Itachi's, who's already compromising a good deal of his mobility in Susano'o form, assuming he's suitably restrained via

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, there's no reason that he shouldn't be able to drag Itachi out.

Itachi's eye-sight was affected because he was near death. His crow clones can use any of his Genjutsu as well. As for pulling Madara out of sand, then the fact that he couldn't without Onoki's help renders your opinion a speculation. There is nothing to prove otherwise.

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

Itachi's eye-sight was affected because he was near death. His crow clones can use any of his Genjutsu as well. As for pulling Madara out of sand, then the fact that he couldn't without Onoki's help renders your opinion a speculation. There is nothing to prove otherwise.

Nothing to prove otherwise? Ohnoki's help didn't give him the ability to drag Madara out of his Susano'o, it simply made the sand lighter and as such faster. Gaara himself possessed the ability all along.

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; do you really believe it's a coincidence that Itachi's eyesight was shown to deteriorate when he activated the Mangekyo, and it remained that way throughout the length of the battle[

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]? If still that's not enough evidence for you that the reason behind Itachi's eyesight deterioration is his Mangekyo, even Sasuke went through the same symptoms upon him overusing the Mangekyo Sharingan [

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Itachi's Bunshin aren't going to be an issue at all during this fight; even if they can still use the same Genjutsu, it doesn't change the fact that they don't have the range or the eyesight to cast any Crow or Ocular Genjutsu, respectively. If Itachi doesn't activate Susano'o quickly, he's finished by a Sand Tsunami or Sand Coffin. If he does, he's constricted by Sand Dome and Susano'o is either broken or he's pulled out.

 

[shelke]

^ What you are suggesting is nothing but speculation. Gaara couldn't touch Madara before and yet, after getting his Sand Lightened, he could pull him out? You have nothing to support your claim.

I highly doubt Itachi would go blind in a single fight. I am well-aware of MS's repercussions.

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

^ What you are suggesting is nothing but speculation. Gaara couldn't touch Madara before and yet, after getting his Sand Lightened, he could pull him out? You have nothing to support your claim.

I highly doubt Itachi would go blind in a single fight. I am well-aware of MS's repercussions.

We're not debating with a fanfiction Itachi here, this is Itachi who was at very best the health that he was seconds before he fought Sasuke.

So basically, your reason for doubting whether or not Gaara can use his sand in order to drag Itachi out of his Susano'o is based upon the fact that Gaara didn't even attempt to do anything up until Ohnoki lightened his sand? It's not as much that he couldn't touch him, moreso that he didn't attempt to. As I've said previously, assuming that he has suitably limited Itachi's movement via Sand Dome, there's no reason his regular sand shouldn't be able to drag him out.

 

[shelke]

^ That 'the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence' logic is not going to work with me. Bring out proof, or you have nothing. Even at that terrible eye-sight, Itachi still used Genjutsu at start, Tsukuymoi, A large scaled Amaterasu sweep that engulfed the whole surrounding trees, maintained V4 Susano'o for quite a while. All Itachi needs is one genjutsu and logically, we both know how this would end.

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

^ That 'the absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence' logic is not going to work with me. Bring out proof, or you have nothing. Even at that terrible eye-sight, Itachi still used Genjutsu at start, Tsukuymoi, A large scaled Amaterasu sweep that engulfed the whole surrounding trees, maintained V4 Susano'o for quite a while. All Itachi needs is one genjutsu and logically, we both know how this would end.

He's going to need all of that and more in order to take down Gaara. The fact of the matter is, none of those things work on Gaara, seeing as he can literally fly. ​We saw, he was panting after that Amaterasu. Following that, he's downed by a Sand Tsunami unless you have otherwise proof. And none of those attacks required anything remotely long range.

 

[shelke]

^ Gaara is not that fast, given how Deidara easily eluded him. As I mentioned, at the on-set of battle, Gaara is hardly a speedster to increase the distance significantly between himself and Itachi. As Soon as he looks at the eyes, he's done for. Gaara has shown - at the most - to fight using his third eye. Considering he won't even be able to pull it soon, or, let's suppose, outlandishly for argument's sake he does at the start, do you really believe his Third Eye would elude genjutsu as he sees through it? Or his sand is quick enough to cover him before Amaterasu Spawns right on his face, as he cannot sense any build-up, or is not a sensor, period?

Itachi can potentially end the battle right off the bat with these two powerful Doujutsus. Agree with it or not, is entirely up to you, as Gaara literally has nothing to offer in terms of speed or sensing - or lack there of - to shore up his defenses to even elude these. Itachi wins decisively at the very start with either of these two. This is my final post, as it would never come to Sand Tsunami or the like, I am afraid.

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

^ Gaara is not that fast, given how Deidara easily eluded him. As I mentioned, at the on-set of battle, Gaara is hardly a speedster to increase the distance significantly between himself and Itachi. As Soon as he looks at the eyes, he's done for. Gaara has shown - at the most - to fight using his third eye. Considering he won't even be able to pull it soon, or, let's suppose, outlandishly for argument's sake he does at the start, do you really believe his Third Eye would elude genjutsu as he sees through it? Or his sand is quick enough to cover him before Amaterasu Spawns right on his face, as he cannot sense any build-up, or is not a sensor, period?

Itachi can potentially end the battle right off the bat with these two powerful Doujutsus. Agree with it or not, is entirely up to you, as Gaara literally has nothing to offer in terms of speed or sensing - or lack there of - to shore up his defenses to even elude these. Itachi wins decisively at the very start with either of these two. This is my final post, as it would never come to Sand Tsunami or the like, I am afraid.

Itachi's reputation as a Genjutsu master and an Uchiha, a clan known for their Ocular Genjutsu will allow Gaara the knowledge of avoiding eye contact until he is a suitable distance away, ending all chances of Genjutsu. Sand armor counters Amaterasu. If he attempts it, it will be blocked and he will be finished. Starting distance is 45 meters as said on OP.