MS Itachi vs. Gaara

[blazekev90]

Long distance genjutsu ? [

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Please look at the distance deidara is [

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He is nothing but a mere dot, yet genjutsu still worked.
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I've addressed that claim before, there's no valid proof he used genjutsu at that vert moment. For one, Sasuke and Deidara made no eye contact there, Sasuke uses sharingan to see whether c4 was a dub

In fact, i believe he used genjutsu prior to that. ( ch. 359 Page 5 to be exact. If history repeats itself, when Sasuke used genjutsu on Orochimaru we saw a flashback were he was previously caught by Itachi. Similarly that happens there against Deidara. Also, in both instances Kish zooms in on the sharingan to emphasize the possibility of genjutsu being performed

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

The genjutsu was utilized the moment Sasuke noticed the Shi fó garuda bombs. [

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It was never stated when exactly he used the genjutsu.

 

[Chīkara]

The final scan I posted also clearly said that it takes Gaara absolutely no effort to create sand from a natural landscape. Following that, the quantity of sand he used swept away entire

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Ah, the same kind of attack's sick Kimi was able to burst out with level 2 curse mark [

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Ribcage Susano'o > Kimimaro's defense. not to mention he was partly using Shukaku's power back then [

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I've addressed that claim before, there's no valid proof he used genjutsu at that vert moment. For one, Sasuke and Deidara made no eye contact there, Sasuke uses sharingan to see whether c4 was a dub

In fact, i believe he used genjutsu prior to that. (Page 5 to be exact. If history repeats itself, when Sasuke used genjutsu on Orochimaru we saw a flashback were he was previously caught by Itachi. Similarly that happens there against Deidara. Also, in both instances Kish zooms in on the sharingan to emphasize the possibility of genjutsu being performed

Genjutsu was used the moment Sasuke noticed these Nano bombs otherwise Deidara would've noticed Sasuke escaping.

The moment Deidara said ''Katsu'' Sasuke looked in Deidara's direction [

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[RikudouMadara]

Hmm....I don't see Gaara winning at all. I see Itachi winning in less than 20 seconds..... Though...just me....man I really hope one day Kishi makes a tier list. Like one that took him 2 or 3 days to make...once the Manga is over of course.

I have feeling ppl are going to be so surprised at how high Itachi is compared to most characters. ^_^

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

Ah, the same kind of attack's sick Kimi was able to burst out with level 2 curse mark [

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Ribcage Susano'o > Kimimaro's defense. not to mention he was partly using Shukaku's power back then [

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Genjutsu was used the moment Sasuke noticed these Nano bombs otherwise Deidara would've noticed Sasuke escaping.

The moment Deidara said ''Katsu'' Sasuke looked in Deidara's direction [

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Kimmimaro was a completely different battle; activating the Curse Mark can be compared to a sudden burst of energy; Ribcage Susano'o can be compared to activating a tiring defense. Not to mention that Kimmimaro's defense was also

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as well as the passive Senjutsu powerup. He explicitly stated that he created bone masks under his skin to survive impact, or he would have been crushed.

Compared to Ribcage Susano'o, which was cracked by Ay's strike

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, and even still with the fact that it has a passive chakra drain, Itachi may as well be better off without activating it.

 

[blazekev90]

Ah, the same kind of attack's sick Kimi was able to burst out with level 2 curse mark [

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Ribcage Susano'o > Kimimaro's defense. not to mention he was partly using Shukaku's power back then [

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Genjutsu was used the moment Sasuke noticed these Nano bombs otherwise Deidara would've noticed Sasuke escaping.

The moment Deidara said ''Katsu'' Sasuke looked in Deidara's direction [

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I'm pissed, my phone logged me out while replying again!!!

Anyway, to make this short. That claim makes no sense. If Deidara was placed in Genjutsu on ch 359 pg 5 as i said, he wouldn't notice him escaping, as genjutsu is an illusion. Also, Deidara pretending to be caught. If you look at page 18 of ch 360, Deiara was hidden prior the sharingan eyes appearing.

Sasuke said everything was genjutsu,meaning him turning to ash, running etc was an illusion. He had to perform that before c4 was presented.

Do you really believe, after looking back Sasuke noticed mini bombs, c4 radius and casted Deidara in Genjutsu in one shot?

Sasuke looked to his side to view its approach. Deidara was behind him, there is no way he made eye contact.

 

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@Red: Do you really see Itachi outspeeding an attack such as

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? Even if he can, he literally has nowhere to run. Gaara can control the landscape.

Using that scale, would overuse a lot of Gaara's Chakra, and he doesn't want to do that. And Itachi has 2 ways to avoid it. 1, Susanoo can offer him the protection. 2, summoning a craw where Itachi rides on it and flows.​

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@Blue: And what's going to stop Gaara from hitting Itachi with a Sand Tsunami during this time? The distance between Naruto and Itachi at the time of him being put under the Genjutsu was easily within five meters[

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, Gaara should have no trouble going aerial, by which time he can guard himself and turn the literal landscape into his weapon[

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First of all, -Sasuke posted the scans of Genjutsu being casted. Itachi can greater than Sasuke, due to being more proficient in the use of Genjutsu. Furthermore, Gaara would not start with a scale like that from the start, wheres Itachi can always start with Genjutsu as its his character. 1 Glance and its over.​

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[blazekev90]

Also, let me reiterate why i believe genjutsu was used ch 359 pg5.

In ch 360, pg 16 Deidara again mentions that he was able to see right thru that genjutsu thanks to Itachi and they're (Itachi/Sasuke are the same.

Take into account how Itachi used genjutsu on Deidara. Je ised it prior to Deidara making a move. The reason Deidara thanks Itachi pg 15 because Sasuke made the same attempt in chapter 359 pg 5. As i stated earlier, this same exact scenario occurred with Orochimaru. Sasuke used genjutsu, similar to Itachi and Oro acknowledged that.

While we can't necessarily prove either claim, i must say mine seems more reasonable here. Sasuke casting genjutsu while looking over his shoulder w/ no direct contact seems ridiculous IMO.

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

Using that scale, would overuse a lot of Gaara's Chakra, and he doesn't want to do that. And Itachi has 2 ways to avoid it. 1, Susanoo can offer him the protection. 2, summoning a craw where Itachi rides on it and flows.​

First of all, -Sasuke posted the scans of Genjutsu being casted. Itachi can greater than Sasuke, due to being more proficient in the use of Genjutsu. Furthermore, Gaara would not start with a scale like that from the start, wheres Itachi can always start with Genjutsu as its his character. 1 Glance and its over.​

Using that scale, would overuse a lot of Gaara's Chakra, and he doesn't want to do that. And Itachi has 2 ways to avoid it. 1, Susanoo can offer him the protection. 2, summoning a craw where Itachi rides on it and flows.

Susano'o isn't avoiding it, it's physically blocking it. If Gaara uses the sand to wrap around Itachi's Susano'o, he can either hit him with multiple Sand Tsunamis/Burials, or simply squeeze the Susano'o 'till it breaks. And your crow summon idea is fanfiction.

First of all, -Sasuke posted the scans of Genjutsu being casted. Itachi can greater than Sasuke, due to being more proficient in the use of Genjutsu. Furthermore, Gaara would not start with a scale like that from the start, wheres Itachi can always start with Genjutsu as its his character. 1 Glance and its over.

Gaara knows of Itachi's genjutsu, and it is debatable when Sasuke casts that Genjutsu on Deidara. Gaara knows of Itachi's reputed prowess with Genjutsu, and as such he's going to stay a suitable distance away. Unless you think that's not, and I quote, "his character". Luckily enough, Gaara is a long range fighter.

 

[Chīkara]

Kimmimaro was a completely different battle; activating the Curse Mark can be compared to a sudden burst of energy; Ribcage Susano'o can be compared to activating a tiring defense. Not to mention that Kimmimaro's defense was also

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as well as the passive Senjutsu powerup. He explicitly stated that he created bone masks under his skin to survive impact, or he would have been crushed.

Compared to Ribcage Susano'o, which was cracked by Ay's strike

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, and even still with the fact that it has a passive chakra drain, Itachi may as well be better off without activating it.

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Might be true but it's still the same defense which is under ribcage susano'o.
''A possesses a massive amount of physical strength, just below that of Tsunade's according to Madara Uchiha.''
A little below Tsunade's strenght who was able to break Madara's Susano [

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] So don't compare 4 raikage's Striking power with Gaara's sand.

Tbh His sand is overrated since Madara was able to burst out of a jutsu created by shukaku + Madara.
Ribcage/V2 Susano'o tanked kirin [

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V2 was able to defend itself against Multiple attacks from suna citizens [

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He said himself external attacks won't work [

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] since onohki isn't there to make the sand lighter that wouldn't work aswell, and full susano'o drains the most Chakra and even more with itachi since he wields totsuka and yata, But I think this isn't needed against Gaara.

Also want to add the fact that Itachi simply can activate and deactivate susano'o and just switch to this [

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[Shura]

Itachi wins with medium-high difficulty.

 

[blazekev90]

@madara rules

Garra does usually start of with large scale attacks. Typically, he'll use a sneak attack, which used against Kimimmaro, Madara and Deidara and follow-up with a large scale attack. We've seen this with Deidara, Kimimaro and against his father.

So as you mention Itachi's style, to have to consider Garra's, whose style forces Itachi respond differently.

 

[Bronze]

Susano'o isn't avoiding it, it's physically blocking it. If Gaara uses the sand to wrap around Itachi's Susano'o, he can either hit him with multiple Sand Tsunamis/Burials, or simply squeeze the Susano'o 'till it breaks. And your crow summon idea is fanfiction.[/FONT]

Sand is not squeezing Susanoo until it breaks, as it failed to do with Kimimaro. So get your garbage else where. And none of Gaara's sand abilities are destructive enough to penetrate through any version of Susanoo or Yata Mirror that can block anything Gaara can offer. [

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Gaara knows of Itachi's genjutsu, and it is debatable when Sasuke casts that Genjutsu on Deidara. Gaara knows of Itachi's reputed prowess with Genjutsu, and as such he's going to stay a suitable distance away. Unless you think that's not, and I quote, "his character". Luckily enough, Gaara is a long range fighter.

You're going to need to show me scans of Gaara aware of Itachi's Genjutsu prowess. Even if he knows, he would still get caught. No its not debatable.​

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[Byakusharinnegan]

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Might be true but it's still the same defense which is under ribcage susano'o.
''A possesses a massive amount of physical strength, just below that of Tsunade's according to Madara Uchiha.''
A little below Tsunade's strenght who was able to break Madara's Susano [

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] So don't compare 4 raikage's Striking power with Gaara's sand.

Tbh His sand is overrated since Madara was able to burst out of a jutsu created by shukaku + Madara.
Ribcage/V2 Susano'o tanked kirin [

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V2 was able to defend itself against Multiple attacks from suna citizens [

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He said himself external attacks won't work [

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] since onohki isn't there to make the sand lighter that wouldn't work aswell, and full susano'o drains the most Chakra and even more with itachi since he wields totsuka and yata, But I think this isn't needed against Gaara.

Also want to add the fact that Itachi simply can activate and deactivate susano'o and just switch to this [

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@Bold: Feats disagree. Ay's strike was entirely external, yet it still cracked Susano'o.

@Underline: Gaara's attack are continuous; Kirin is not. Eventually, Susano'o will succumb.

@Italic: Refer to Underline.

 

[Chīkara]

@Bold: Feats disagree. Ay's strike was entirely external, yet it still cracked Susano'o.

@Underline: Gaara's attack are continuous; Kirin is not. Eventually, Susano'o will succumb.

@Italic: Refer to Underline.

You get it wrong A's external attack's work, Gaara's external attack's doesn't
That sand isn't crushing ribcage susano'o deal with it. Gaara's attack is indeed
continue but it Kirin is league's above Sand in terms of power.

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

Sand is not squeezing Susanoo until it breaks, as it failed to do with Kimimaro. So get your garbage else where. And none of Gaara's sand abilities are destructive enough to penetrate through any version of Susanoo or Yata Mirror that can block anything Gaara can offer. [

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You're going to need to show me scans of Gaara aware of Itachi's Genjutsu prowess. Even if he knows, he would still get caught. No its not debatable.​

Itachi was supposedly infamous throughout the shinobi world, to the point where even members of other villages were aware of his abilities. And yes, it is very debatable, seeing as many people are not sure of when exactly the Genjutsu was cast and Kishi never provided any definite proof as to when it was.

Show me one speed feat that Itachi's Susano'o has showing him capable of breaking through it, and even more so show me how he can survive both the passive Susano'o drain and the passive Sharingan drain while still blocking the attack. Even if he doesn't crush it, he can restrain it and drag him out of Susano'o.

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

You get it wrong A's external attack's work, Gaara's external attack's doesn't
That sand isn't crushing ribcage susano'o deal with it. Gaara's attack is indeed
continue but it Kirin is league's above Sand in terms of power.

So apparently, I get it wrong? There's nothing to get wrong. A's attack clearly broke through Susano'o, and that wasn't even his strongest attack, not to mention he had to get past Amaterasu first.

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Minimized versions of Sand Burial were crushing human bones when Gaara was twelve. I have reason to believe that he can crack Ribcage, or at least restrain it so he can drag Itachi out and proceed to crush him.

 

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Itachi was supposedly infamous throughout the shinobi world, to the point where even members of other villages were aware of his abilities. And yes, it is very debatable, seeing as many people are not sure of when exactly the Genjutsu was cast and Kishi never provided any definite proof as to when it was.

Itachi being famous doesn't change the fact, Genjutsu wont work. Sasuke explained it [

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Show me one speed feat that Itachi's Susano'o has showing him capable of breaking through it, and even more so show me how he can survive both the passive Susano'o drain and the passive Sharingan drain while still blocking the attack. Even if he doesn't crush it, he can restrain it and drag him out of Susano'o.

Speed of Susanoo has nothing to do with anything to pass through the attack. Itachi's Yasaka Magatama penetrates through the sand [

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[Byakusharinnegan]

Itachi being famous doesn't change the fact, Genjutsu wont work. Sasuke explained it [

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]. He casted, the moment the bomb exploded, making Genjutsu capable of performing from long range.​

Speed of Susanoo has nothing to do with anything to pass through the attack. Itachi's Yasaka Magatama penetrates through the sand [

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@P1: He didn't say that he casted it when the bomb exploded. He merely confirmed Deidara's statement that when he saw him 'die', it was merely the effect of his genjutsu.

@P2: Yasaka Magatama can be either avoided once losing some momentum by going through a sand wall, or perhaps sand can simply restrict the motion of Susano'o.

 

[genii96]

Gaara wins mid diff.