Gai is faster then Kamui

[Narutoga]

Whao, how fast will 8 gates be

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Sidenote, which level of gates do you guys think Gai entered...? Rock Lee's and Gai's pupils disapear at the 5th gate; which wasn't the case here.

Hmph.

I've always said Gai was underrated and countered kamui.

Same

I believe this might make Kakashi = Gai once again.
^ two of my favs on top

Me too! As it should be

Obito used Kamui on himself and Kakashi used Kamui on Obito at the same time , so the speed of Kamui become X2 faster , so how in the hell can you say that Gai was faster than Kamui when it was used only on Obito not Kakashi ?

.........? Lol, did you read?

Whao, how fast will 8 gates be

Probably untraceable speeds even for Madara

 

[blazekev90]

I.think he may have entered using the 3rd gate.

 

[Madara Uzumaki Uchiha]

Gated gai is incredibly fast, now we have another indicator of how fast -however, similar to when kakashi intercepted kakuzo's lightning justu-we don't know where Gai was before he intercepted the omnyouton orb-so we can't say how fast he is, while a geat feat- we cant quantify it because we don't know how far Gai had to go to reach Kakashi.

- anyone else hyped about the fact that kamui isnot invincible anymore?


-What we got today wasnot a quantifiable speed feat, it isnot clear exactly what happened when gai saved kakashi

 

[AGoodBoy]

Gated gai is incredibly fast, now we have another indicator of how fast -however, similar to when kakashi intercepted kakuzo's lightning justu-we don't know where Gai was before he intercepted the omnyouton orb-so we can't say how fast he is, while a geat feat- we cant quantify it because we don't know how far Gai had to go to reach Kakashi.

- anyone else hyped about the fact that kamui isnot invincible anymore?


-What we got today wasnot a quantifiable speed feat, it isnot clear exactly what happened when gai saved kakashi

That's true seeing as it's possible guy could've started off by being thrown by gated lee (increasing his speed).

 

[evansvuvor]

what if he jumped before the attack reaching kakashi, so when the ball was close to kakashi, gai was also near the ball...you know use some logic =P

yep It could be

 

[Forbidden Technique]

I.think he may have entered using the 3rd gate.

I thought it was the 3rd or 4th gate myself! Lmao, Gai dead just gained a huge speed feat and it wasn't even with the 6th or 7th gate.

Gated gai is incredibly fast, now we have another indicator of how fast -however, similar to when kakashi intercepted kakuzo's lightning justu-we don't know where Gai was before he intercepted the omnyouton orb-so we can't say how fast he is, while a geat feat- we cant quantify it because we don't know how far Gai had to go to reach Kakashi.

- anyone else hyped about the fact that kamui isnot invincible anymore?


-What we got today wasnot a quantifiable speed feat, it isnot clear exactly what happened when gai saved kakashi

Bro, check this out. We know that the orbs travel faster then Kamui's warping speed [

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]. And at 2x it's ordinary warping speed, the orbs STILL managed to get within point blank range of Kakashi' face [

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] with NO sign of Gai even being present. So regardless of how far away from Kakashi Gai actually was, he still managed to react and intercept the orb before hitting Kakashi with a split second of a window. So essentially, he still got in front of an attack that travels faster then Kamui before it could move just about a foot.

The only way for this not to be considered a speed feat for Gai, is if he was thrown by Lee as AGoodBoy said, which I find unlikely, but we'll see.

 

[Draphsin]

No as you can see kakashi had just finished warping obito when the orb was inches away from his face. [

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Gai saved kakashi because he was busy & distracted at the moment, this has nothing to do with gai being faster than kamui.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

No as you can see kakashi had just finished warping obito when the orb was inches away from his face. [

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Gai saved kakashi because he was busy & distracted at the moment, this has nothing to do with gai being faster than kamui.

Please tell me you're joking. Gai intercepted an attack that travels faster then the Kamui's warping speed.

 

[obito uchiha the wraith]

I knew somebody would make this... NO guy is faster than the kamui TELEPORTING ability not the phasing one we all know is op.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Guy beating Kakashi is quite debatable, but understand this, it's faster than kamui teleporting a person into another dimension. Madara never stated he could outclass the phasing ability.

 

[Rike Senju]

I think kishi is being inconsistent with speed factors. When obito was warping minato, he only escaped thanks to FTG. And even then obito claimed to be able to warp faster. Saying or theorizing guy to be faster than Kamui is like saying guy > FTG which is instant.

 

[Madara Uzumaki Uchiha]

I thought it was the 3rd or 4th gate myself! Lmao, Gai dead just gained a huge speed feat and it wasn't even with the 6th or 7th gate.



Bro, check this out. We know that the orbs travel faster then Kamui's warping speed [

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]-[

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]. And at 2x it's ordinary warping speed, the orbs STILL managed to get within point blank range of Kakashi' face [

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] with NO sign of Gai even being present. So regardless of how far away from Kakashi Gai actually was, he still managed to react and intercept the orb before hitting Kakashi with a split second of a window. So essentially, he still got in front of an attack that travels faster then Kamui before it could move just about a foot.

The only way for this not to be considered a speed feat for Gai, is if he was thrown by Lee as AGoodBoy said, which I find unlikely, but we'll see.

Oh I see your point-first we acnkowledge that since the omnyouton orb is massively faster than kamui x2 ( it crossed a large distance- if madara was 5 feet closer it would have beat kamu

After we acknowledge the point above- considering that the orb is right in kakashis face with guy nowere to be seen ( meaning that the orb is closer to kakashi than guy is ) that guy beat the orb to kakashi and therefore can travel faster than the orb that is faster than kamui-right?
-Your probably correct, however- if you look at the panel we cannot see behind kakashi-guy may have been right there....-however, even though the situation is vague-for all we know Guy merely punched the air and that disrupted the aim of the omnyouton orb enough to miss kakashi.-mabey guy running near the area caused enough friction in the air that it disrupted the orbs aim?

 

[Draphsin]

Please tell me you're joking. Gai intercepted an attack that travels faster then the Kamui's warping speed.

Where was it stated that kakashi's kamui speed when warping someone is = to obito's when warping himself? Obito takes longer to warp himself, this is a fact, kakashi's kamui is different as it doesn't share this trait.

Madara never said that his orbs were faster than kamui in general, he did however say that he's faster than obito's slow kamui [when used on himself]. Kakashi can warp as fast as obito can when warping someone else [

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], therefore his kamui is faster than obito's slower kamui, meaning the aforementioned statement isn't true when speaking about him.

Ill give it to you that gai can move faster than obito can warp himself to the dimension, however when comparing gai's speed to kakashi's kamui speed when warping someone else then it's clear that kamui has the faster feats. & As I said kakashi was distracted while warping obito therefore he wasn't fast enough to react to the orb as well.

Gai is fast, but not faster than kamui.

 

[Touken]

I wonder.. If he was faster, why couldn't he attack Obito when he attacked using all those dead Jins ?

He never used Gates and Obito's intangibility is much, much quicker than inter-dimensional travelling.

@Draphsin, Madara stated his attacks are quicker than Kakashi's Kamui, whether he's warping himself or someone else [

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]. He was confident that he'd be able to hit them both with his orbs and Gai's shown his striking speed is quicker than his orbs. Result? Gai's striking speed is quicker than Kakashi's Kamui.

Good thread OP.

 

[WolfHaley]

Kakashi and Obito have faster feats of using Kamui. Quite clearly both are exhausted.

And plus you literally have no idea where Gai was before he appeared on the scene, he could've been right next to Kakashi.

You don't know the distance, you don't know the speed, therefore you can't determine the time.

 

[Avinash012]

He never used Gates and Obito's intangibility is much, much quicker than inter-dimensional travelling.

@Draphsin, Madara stated his attacks are quicker than Kakashi's Kamui, whether he's warping himself or someone else [

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]. He was confident that he'd be able to hit them both with his orbs and Gai's shown his striking speed is quicker than his orbs. Result? Gai's striking speed is quicker than Kakashi's Kamui.

Good thread OP.

Lmao,even Madara can't touch that dude so Gai has no hope of touching him in a one on one battle.

No,Madara said that his attacks are faster in

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means that he was clearly referring to Obito but not Kakashi so U r wrong about that part.

OT: Even Konan's paper tags are faster than Obito warping speed(his own body) so todays feat won't help u to fill the gap b/w Gai and Kakashi as warping others and warping their own body are two different things but I must admit that Gai impressed me in this chapter.I always wanted him to be the spot light atleast for once and now is the time for him to shine.

 

[Forbidden Technique]

Oh I see your point-first we acnkowledge that since the omnyouton orb is massively faster than kamui x2 ( it crossed a large distance- if madara was 5 feet closer it would have beat kamu

After we acknowledge the point above- considering that the orb is right in kakashis face with guy nowere to be seen ( meaning that the orb is closer to kakashi than guy is ) that guy beat the orb to kakashi and therefore can travel faster than the orb that is faster than kamui-right?
-Your probably correct, however- if you look at the panel we cannot see behind kakashi-guy may have been right there....-however, even though the situation is vague-for all we know Guy merely punched the air and that disrupted the aim of the omnyouton orb enough to miss kakashi.-mabey guy running near the area caused enough friction in the air that it disrupted the orbs aim?

Precisely. You even did a better job at explaining it then I did. And I'm not sure, it's possibility I suppose. However, judging by Gai's eyes, he was only in the 3rd or 4th gate; and emiting a blowing force from his body has only been shown in the higher level gates. Judging by the explosion, I'd say the orbs were knocked to the ground by Gai.

Where was it stated that kakashi's kamui speed when warping someone is = to obito's when warping himself? Obito takes longer to warp himself, this is a fact, kakashi's kamui is different as it doesn't share this trait.

Madara never said that his orbs were faster than kamui in general, he did however say that he's faster than obito's slow kamui [when used on himself]. Kakashi can warp as fast as obito can when warping someone else [

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], therefore his kamui is faster than obito's slower kamui, meaning the aforementioned statement isn't true when speaking about him.

Ill give it to you that gai can move faster than obito can warp himself to the dimension, however when comparing gai's speed to kakashi's kamui speed when warping someone else then it's clear that kamui has the faster feats. & As I said kakashi was distracted while warping obito therefore he wasn't fast enough to react to the orb as well.

Gai is fast, but not faster than kamui.

And when was it stated it's not? They're both portrayed to be the same speed [

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]. And it was never a concern for Madara, to not let Kakashi doing the warping rather then Obito because he is supposedly much faster at doing it, as you claim [

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]. Madara took both possibilities into consideration, and knew his attacks were too fast for both them either way.

Kakashi and Obito have faster feats of using Kamui. Quite clearly both are exhausted.

And plus you literally have no idea where Gai was before he appeared on the scene, he could've been right next to Kakashi.

You don't know the distance, you don't know the speed, therefore you can't determine the time.

Not going to repeat myself.

Bro, check this out. We know that the orbs travel faster then Kamui's warping speed [

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]-[

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]. And at 2x it's ordinary warping speed, the orbs STILL managed to get within point blank range of Kakashi' face [

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] with NO sign of Gai even being present. So regardless of how far away from Kakashi Gai actually was, he still managed to react and intercept the orb before hitting Kakashi with a split second of a window. So essentially, he still got in front of an attack that travels faster then Kamui before it could move just about a foot.

The only way for this not to be considered a speed feat for Gai, is if he was thrown by Lee as AGoodBoy said, which I find unlikely, but we'll see.

Oh I see your point-first we acnkowledge that since the omnyouton orb is massively faster than kamui x2 ( it crossed a large distance- if madara was 5 feet closer it would have beat kamu

After we acknowledge the point above- considering that the orb is right in kakashis face with guy nowere to be seen ( meaning that the orb is closer to kakashi than guy is ) that guy beat the orb to kakashi and therefore can travel faster than the orb that is faster than kamui-right?
-Your probably correct, however- if you look at the panel we cannot see behind kakashi-guy may have been right there....-however, even though the situation is vague-for all we know Guy merely punched the air and that disrupted the aim of the omnyouton orb enough to miss kakashi.-mabey guy running near the area caused enough friction in the air that it disrupted the orbs aim?

 

[~Sky~]

Simple logic really.

Madara's attack hits Obito before he can Kamui.

Therefore Madara's attack is faster than Kamui.

Gai intercepts Madara's attack.

Gai is faster than Kamui's warping speed.

 

[Bogard]

Lol a desperate taijutsu thread. We don't even know Gai's starting point off-panel to accurately judge his speed. Even Minato was moving during Madara's attack, so let alone some random guy coming off-panel lol