[VS] Senju Hashirama Vs Minato Namikaze

[Touken]

now that was beyond trolling but seeing orochimaru's avatar and sig i can understand that...

rofl, he's actually right. Hashirama alone beats the other Hokage.

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

now that was beyond trolling but seeing orochimaru's avatar and sig i can understand that...

Eh? Excuse me? WHat does my avatar have to do with it?

And no. Hashirama's power eclipses the Hokage's.

 

[Oblivionx]

Hashirama's Mokuton can be omnidirectional [

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]. He doesn't actually have to shoot it in Minato's face, as he can sprout it from pretty much anywhere and completely alter landscapes.

and?? minato will jump towards hashirama and engage him in close range combat... it's not hard to grasp really... that omni directional mokuton was dodged by old hiruzen and 5 kages managed it too other than Tsunade who is slowest of them...!

 

[KingHashirama]

Instant Mokuton:

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Creates mountain sized hands in an instant, to block the powerful slash of the PS:

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Creates the buddha in an instant:

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[Oblivionx]

Eh? Excuse me? WHat does my avatar have to do with it?

And no. Hashirama's power eclipses the Hokage's.

i took into account orochimaru vs minato threads made in past few days...
and if you believe that hashirama can defeat tobirama and minato at the same time then i highly respect your opinion...

 

[~Sky~]

FTG is just a jutsu. The effectiveness of a jutsu depends on the user. In this case, while the jutsu FTG itself is instant, the user himself isn't, so the probability in which a FTG user can touch the opponent after teleporting depends on the speed and reflexive speed of the user, all that in which Tobirama is inferior to Minato, not to mention Minato possess SM himself

Bogard explained the rest but i'll add that i already know SM is what puts hashirama above tobirama, but tobirama's execution of jutsus is slower than minato... also minato's ftg lvl 2 is a lot better....

How is Minato's skill with FTG better than Tobirama's?

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

and?? minato will jump towards hashirama and engage him in close range combat... it's not hard to grasp really... that omni directional mokuton was dodged by old hiruzen and 5 kages managed it too other than Tsunade who is slowest of them...!

Except Hashirama can gain leverage on his

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, nullifying Minato's attempts at CQC. The Gokage had methods of flight, which is why they were able to "dodge it". Even with the leverage and knowledge on the jutsu, the Gokage still succumbed and had it not been for Onoki's will, they would have been finished.

 

[KingHashirama]

Oh btw, Tobirama puts to shame every single of Minato's ability except shunshin...Tobirama's reactions are more elite than Minato's... hell not to even mention there isn't a wide gap between their shunshin at all..

Base Hashirama > Tobirama... let alone adding on SM..

Base Hashirama > Ems Madara... let alone adding on SM..


It took Ems Madara + Kyuubi to even bring out SM.. and that was due to the scale of destruction being caused by the PS+Kyuubi combo..

#NeverSeenHashiramaGoAllOut

 

[TheAncientCenturion]

Can Minato even kill Hashirama, with Hashirama's supposedly instant regeneration capabiltiies? A Rasengan is strong... But I don't see it bringing down Hashi.

 

[Oblivionx]

Instant Mokuton:

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Creates mountain sized hands in an instant, to block the powerful slash of the PS:

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Creates the buddha in an instant:

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instant mokuton created in 3 panels and gave naruto enough time to make thousands of clones with rasengan and then gets destroyed...!
not so instant...
i thought you'd post the panel in which Tsunade was amazed by flower tree world.... but anyway...

 

[namikaze12]

Hashirama wins high diff but if we're talking about BM Minato and SM Minato it can go both ways

 

[KingHashirama]

instant mokuton created in 3 panels and gave naruto enough time to make thousands of clones with rasengan and then gets destroyed...!
not so instant...
i thought you'd post the panel in which Tsunade was amazed by flower tree world.... but anyway...

False, created in 1 panel, jutsu was cast in 3... big difference. Same for Minato's ftg..

And no, that was actually slower..

The guy can create a gamabunta sized hands when the ps sword is half way near him.. and then have the ability to stop it.. you are telling me that isn't instant? please get real mate.

 

[Bogard]

Hashirama's Mokuton can be omnidirectional [

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]. He doesn't actually have to shoot it in Minato's face, as he can sprout it from pretty much anywhere and completely alter landscapes.

It may be true but you forget Hashirama's placement himself in the equation. It's pretty obvious that while creating such mokuton constructs, the place where the user stands isn't overwhelmed, just like the FTW. I imagine that while creating it, the user himself is in a place where he can't breath the pollen at all. So as long as Minato keeps kunai in the same area where the user stands, i think it's safe to assume he can dodge/counter the jutsu

How is Minato's skill with FTG better than Tobirama's?

Not skill, reflexive speed. In other words, Minato move faster while using FTG than Tobirama simply because he possess faster movement speed

 

[shelke]

ok although i wasn't expecting you to reply but here's the thing... minato can make one clone and as we all know his shunshin > hashirama and with ftg uses the same technique he used against sage madara and all clones poof... or why not do this at the start of battle... will hashirama be able to react?? although if you are considering BM minato then he can make as many clones... also nothing you mentioned is fast enough to catch minato so hashirama will be just wasting chakra although i know it doesn't matter but still....
and that blond is hailed as the fastest shinobi so tell me again how those restraints going to restrain him??

You are actually serious:

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- Adsorbs Bijuu-Chakra.

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- Absorbs users Chakra as well.

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- He can use his body for Mokuton as well.

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- Was able to restrain Juubito. Minato isn't escaping.

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- Multi-directional use of Mokuton. It can easily alter the landscape and take care of the Kunais in the adjacent area.

As Doctor Stylish said, give him all Hokages and they all die, period.

 

[shelke]

ok although i wasn't expecting you to reply but here's the thing... minato can make one clone and as we all know his shunshin > hashirama and with ftg uses the same technique he used against sage madara and all clones poof... or why not do this at the start of battle... will hashirama be able to react?? although if you are considering BM minato then he can make as many clones... also nothing you mentioned is fast enough to catch minato so hashirama will be just wasting chakra although i know it doesn't matter but still....
and that blond is hailed as the fastest shinobi so tell me again how those restraints going to restrain him??

You are actually serious:

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- Adsorbs Bijuu-Chakra.

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- Absorbs users Chakra as well.

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- He can use his body for Mokuton as well.

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- Was able to restrain Juubito. Minato isn't escaping.

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- Multi-directional use of Mokuton. It can easily alter the landscape and take care of the Kunais in the adjacent area.

All his clones would use Partial Cloaks like Naruto and would get destroyed via Mokuton constructs easily. As Doctor Stylish said, give him all Hokages and they all die, period.

 

[KingHashirama]

It may be true but you forget Hashirama's placement himself in the equation. It's pretty obvious that while creating such mokuton constructs, the place where the user stands isn't overwhelmed, just like the FTW. I imagine that while creating it, the user himself is in a place where he can't breath the pollen at all. So as long as Minato keeps kunai in the same area where the user stands, i think it's safe to assume he can dodge/counter the jutsu
Not skill, reflexive speed. In other words, Minato move faster while using FTG than Tobirama simply because he possess faster movement speed

Minato = faster movement speed? ROFL. Holy sh*t.

You are saying the guy who had the fastest reflex and movement speed feat is slower than the guy who couldn't even use shunshin to save his son with KCM?

 

[~Sky~]

Not skill, reflexive speed. In other words, Minato move faster while using FTG than Tobirama simply because he possess faster movement speed

Tobirama has pretty insane reflexes though. If there is a gap, it's not that large.

 

[Bogard]

Minato = faster movement speed? ROFL. Holy sh*t.

You are saying the guy who had the fastest reflex and movement speed feat is slower than the guy who couldn't even use shunshin to save his son with KCM?

Minato left Tobirama in the dust when he made his first appearance on the battlefield, even got the time to make a trip middle ocean to place a tag, come back to deflect Jubi's bijuudama, place 3tags around a vast area covering the Jubi and come back having a chat with Sakura and Naruto, all that before Tobirama actually came, not knowing Minato did all that

 

[KingHashirama]

Minato left Tobirama in the dust when he made his first appearance on the battlefield, even got the time to make a trip middle ocean to place a tag, come back to deflect Jubi's bijuudama, place 3tags around a vast area covering the Jubi and come back having a chat with Sakura and Naruto, all that before Tobirama actually came, not knowing Minato did all that

Highly false. If you actually believe Hashirama/Tobirama/Hiruzen were racing each other to get to the battlefield then i cannot bother to continue this argument. Tobirama came with Hashirama and Hiruzen 2 people he would have left behind had he used shunshin like Minato.

On top of that Shunshin = foot speed increased by chakra. Not no hand movement speed or reflex speed.

Minato can't even touch Tobirama's hand speed.

 

[Gaara Of The Death]

All of you are forgetting about Hashirama's regen it just as good as Tsunade's Minato's fire-power isn't enough to take down Hashirama. Minato won't even land a hit without SM. Hashirama pollen justu ends this.​