[Theory] A logical explanation for Minato's use of sage mode.

[Byron123]

When Minato was alive he didn't have the necessary chakra reserves to enter sage mode.
However, similarly to Naruto's case, by becoming a jinchuuriki his chakra reserves must have greatly increased.
Remember that Kakashi had mentioned once to Naruto that the latter's chakra reserves are way bigger than former's and then he added that if he were to take full control of Kurama, his chakra reserves would increase even more.

That being said, it's possible for Minato to have tried to learn sage mode since his master had succeeded in that, but without a result. But still by trying to learn it, he must have had knowledge of the neccesary steps one has to follow in order to enter that state. So, now, even though he hasn't Kurama anymore, his chakra reserves were greatly increased so it would make sense for him to enter sage mode so quickly if he already was aware of its method.

After all, Minato was regarded as a genius so even if this was the first time he entered sage mode, it would still be plausible to do it that easily.

Since there is a misconception about edo tensei I decided to clearify it a bit as well:

Edo tensei grants unlimited chakra but that unlimited chakra is limited based on one's chakra reserves. That being said, a fodder who is revived will have his chakra reserves full but they won't suffice to reach power similar to Madara's or to anyone of his calliber for the simple fact that he hasn't developped big chakra reserves. However, Minato by becoming Kurama's jin, he had his chakra reserves grown and that exact growth gave him "enough space" so he could develop bigger chakra reserves in order to keep them in harmony with the strong natural energy.

 

[Meowazziel]

But he went sage mode after he lost yin Kurama, so his chakra reserves were not increased anymore.

 

[ekichi onizuka]

i said the same thing but haters choose to ignore that fact but still itachi>minato

 

[Pragmatic]

But he went sage mode after he lost yin Kurama, so his chakra reserves were not increased anymore.

Still Edo Tensei "Unlimited Chakra"

 

[Byron123]

But he went sage mode after he lost yin Kurama, so his chakra reserves were not increased anymore.

So? That's not the point, Naruto as well no longer has his Kurama but still the fact the fact is that during the time he was living with him, his chakra reserves were greatly increased and that chakra was his own. What I mean is that by being a jinchuuriki you get two bonus: 1) The amazing chakra of your beast if the latter cooperates with you, 2) It gives you the potential to develop big chakra reserves of your own, ofc they're not comparable to the ones you have by controlling your beast's chakra but still it's sufficient to enter sage mode.

 

[ekichi onizuka]

But he went sage mode after he lost yin Kurama, so his chakra reserves were not increased anymore.

he still has edo-tensei

 

[Byron123]

i said the same thing but haters choose to ignore that fact but still itachi>minato

About the second I'm not definetely going to agree neither do I care start a versus battle, as for the first, screw the haters.

Still Edo Tensei "Unlimited Chakra"

Well neither that is exactly correct. True Edo tensei grants unlimited chakra but that unlimited chakra is limited based on one's chakra reserves. That being said, a fodder who is revived will have his chakra reserves full but they won't suffice to reach power similar to Madara or to anyone of his calliber for the simple fact that he hasn't developped big chakra reserves. However, Minato by becoming Kurama's jin, he had his chakra reserves grown and that exact growth gave him "enough space" so he could develop bigger chakra reserves in order to keep them in harmony with the strong natural energy.

 

[Zorø]

it seems like an asspull to me

 

[Byron123]

it seems like an asspull to me

You can call it like that or you can consider my argument and of whether or not it makes sense.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

Why then would he express shock at Naruto having Jiraiya sensei's senjutsu and why did he not attempt to use at a critical point with Obito?

 

[Byron123]

Why then would he express shock at Naruto having Jiraiya sensei's senjutsu and why did he not attempt to use at a critical point with Obito?

Agree that that seemed off but after a point we must agree that plot comes at some point or another. I just tried to make the most logical argument so people wouldn't automatically call it as*pull. As for that time, he might not have been even aware of his new capacities, I mean surely he knew he was a jin but he might haven't thought of using an ability in which, according to my hypothesis, had failed before. However, after thinking it for a while, he might have re- examined the situtation and found the solution.

 

[KCMNaruto]

Very good thread and short right on the topic.

However I think mine is better due to covering the most of points at which people argue that Minato was not mentioned as Senjtusu user or where Minato should use SM.

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Anyway great work

 

[Gyakusetsu]

Agree that that seemed off but after a point we must agree that plot comes at some point or another. I just tried to make the most logical argument so people wouldn't automatically call it as*pull. As for that time, he might not have been even aware of his new capacities, I mean surely he knew he was a jin but he might haven't thought of using an ability in which, according to my hypothesis, had failed before. However, after thinking it for a while, he might have re- examined the situtation and found the solution.

So he's a genius part of the time? If he had trained to use senjutsu on any level then why hesitate to attempt? It either works or it doesn't and if he had trained as suggested he clearly would have managed to understand enough to maintain the proper chakra balance, else he's a toad statue. Afterall, he didn't hesitate going into BCM and using that power which was a complete unknown.

 

[Byron123]

Very good thread and short right on the topic.

However I think mine is better due to covering the most of points at which people argue that Minato was not mentioned as Senjtusu user or where Minato should use SM.

Please check it here:

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Anyway great work

Thanks =D When I created this thread my point was not to give many different arguments but rather a handful strong ones. The reason I didnt elaborate was simply because I didn't thinkt hat I needed to do so since my argument, I think, suffice.

As froy your thread, as I told you, I'll check it but not right now XD

 

[Byron123]

So he's a genius part of the time? If he had trained to use senjutsu on any level then why hesitate to attempt? It either works or it doesn't and if he had trained as suggested he clearly would have managed to understand enough to maintain the proper chakra balance. Afterall, he didn't hesitate going into BCM and using that power which was a complete unknown.

As I said you can't really take out completely plot. Also, are you seriously willing to discuss on the percent of the cases in which he can be considered a genius? A genius sure is a clever, vey clever, person but that doesn't mean that he will take by rule the best decision or that he will automatically know all the answers. Even, Shikamaru the most clever guy of the series, can't find right now an answer against the threat Spiral Zetsu poses and Itachi, who according to Hiruzen was at age of 7 as clever as a hokage, didn't realize that Tobi wasn't actually Obito, even he believed that he was truly Madara.

So even the genius ones might not be genius all the times.

 

[Gyakusetsu]

As I said you can't really take out completely plot. Also, are you seriously willing to discuss on the percent of the cases in which he can be considered a genius? A genius sure is a clever, vey clever, person but that doesn't mean that he will take by rule the best decision or that he will automatically know all the answers. Even, Shikamaru the most clever guy of the series, can't find right now an answer against the threat Spiral Zetsu poses and Itachi, who according to Hiruzen was at age of 7 as clever as a hokage, didn't realize that Tobi wasn't actually Obito, even he believed that he was truly Madara.

So even the genius ones might not be genius all the times.

Sorry, I should have clarified that I meant that in the context of chakra knowledge and manipulation. I'm not going to argue or analyze each decision he makes as being genius or not.

 

[Lightning Release]

Or maybe he learned sage mode just like the other two individuals.

Logical enough for me.

 

[Naijakid]

Being a SM user doesn't matter the amount of chakra you have

 

[AburameShino]

I think I figured it out last night.

Remember when naruto used his chakra and everyone on the battlefield was connected to him? Minato was most likely even more in sync with him as his father using the exact mode as he was. It was during this time that he tapped into Naruto's experiences mastering SM.

Not only this, but at the same time they have been fighting the ten tails and it's Jin hosts. As the largest mass of natural energy in the world, it would stand to reason that it is essentially radiating large amounts of nature energy; more or less bombarding everyone with said energy. Minato (even more so as a sensor type) may have worked out how to utilize some of that energy.

Minato (regardless of if you like the character or not) is a genius, and given these circumstances could have figured it out during the battle.

(That being said, he did not previously possess it. He learned it on the battlefield)

 

[SkylineGTR]

I just want to point to this picture because it illustrates the flaw in Kishi's storyline.

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We already saw Minato summon Gamabunta during the Nine-Tails attack, but when you look at this, it doesn't illustrate that he should have even been able to summon any of the toads. If we are going from right to left, then the older names to Jiraya's right are names of people that came before him, correct? Well, then if Minato summoned Gamabunta, then where is his name in this? Well, it would have to be the names before Naruto and Jiraya's (only explanation). Yet, that would go against why Minato's name is then ahead of Jiraya's and not in the middle of the two. Right here shows a major hole in Kishi giving Minato SM when this whole picture demonstrates other wise. Now, you can argue that Jiraya placed his name there first and then Minato took the next open spot to the right, but that would create more holes in my opinion.

Moreover, it was noted in the anime by Kakashi that Jiraya was the ONLY one capable of using SM when Pa came to ask if Naruto wanted to train with him in Tsuande's office after Jiraya's death. Yes, I looked this up in the manga and it doesn't illustrate that scene in the pages, but then we can conclude that it was another hole in Kishi's storyline and would make Minato receiving SM a mistake.

The fact is that this was never foreshadowing correctly and the assumptions that are being made are just ways to cover up the fact that Kishi just randomly gave Minato another power-up because he wasn't contributing enough to the whole war. I am more inclined to believe that, then a lot of the threads that have come up trying to prove he had it.

1. He was never mentioned having it by Pa or anyone in the village.
2. Jiraya was stated in the anime as the only one capable of using it by Kakashi.
3. Pa himself states he surpassed Jiraya in Sage training, but never his own father.
4. Minato had numerous times to show it off in flashbacks and the war.

Finally, the last portion to entering Sage mode is the gathering of natural energy and how do you do that? Standing still. I am having a hard time believing that this is true because previous to him entering SM he actually throws one of his special Kunai at Madara's feet and then goes into SM. When we have all learned from Naruto's training that one cannot enter Sage mode without standing still and gathering natural energy. The fact that Kishi allowed Minato to throw something and enter SM is incorrect in what he stated in his previous chapters.

I don't have anything against Minato as a character, but you cannot argue that wasn't an ass-pull.


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