The Itachi vs Minato Thread

[Gaara Of The Death]

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Oh, I see. Tobirama and Karin I agree with, Madara though; it depends on what extent they were referring to.

-If its just the capability to fight without sight then I agree.

-If its everything about his display, then I disagree.

He was referring to how well Madara fought with no eyes suggesting that since Madara can do it why can't Minato, right of the bat there is 2 things wrong with that:

-Hashirama's SM is better than Naruto's and Minato's.

-Madara is a better fighter than Minato, plus Madara was fighting against a fatigued Naruto and Sai....​

 

[Touken]

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..............I take back what I said about you being intelligent.Just because you do something to a mid tier you think you can do the same to a TOP Tier......HAHAHAHAAHAHA.Going by that logic Kakashi should still be able to do this to BSM Naruto.

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Just because Naruto beat fodder with his eyes closed doesn't mean he could do it to a top tier looks like I overestimated Borgard U_U.​

Naruto beating fodder or not is pretty much irrelevant. The point he's trying to get across is that he can still see while having his eyes closed.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

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[Bronze]

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Just for the contrary notes, Madara planned to fight the alliance without the use of his eyes, before fighting Edo Hashirama [

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] and he didn't need SM to do that. So the claim of his sensing perception enhanced with SM is incorrect. Not to mention, he detected Hashirama's position while blind when he speedblitz him.

 

[Gaara Of The Death]

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Naruto beating fodder or not is pretty much irrelevant. The point he's trying to get across is that he can still see while having his eyes closed.

I know but can he fight that good like that against a Top Tier. He said Minato fights as good as someone with his eyes open which is false.​

 

[Touken]

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I know but can he fight that good like that against a Top Tier. He said Minato fights as good as someone with his eyes open which is false.​

Minato doesn't need to fight against Itachi with his eyes closed. As soon as he feels the build-up of chakra in Itachi's eyes, he simply closes his eyes and waits for the build-up of chakra to go. He won't be susceptible to an attack by Itachi since Sharingan Genjutsu is always cast while the Uchiha's not moving at all.

 

[sindi1997]

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To make it simple

1- Sensors can predict occular attacks

2- Sensors can fight even under genjutsu(albeit harder)

3- SM users sensing is no different than fighting with your eyes open, so for them however blindness is no handicap

4- With toads as partners, every genjutsu besides tsukuyomi is useless

5- Minato can switch with clones. Genjutsu doesn't work on clones

Ok Lets start this way

We have no 100 % confirmation that minato is a sensor First of all as the point you mention where kurama asks minato to tell Him to sens is actually Invalid in a way not all ways .. Sasuke felt Naruto s chakra as well From a very far away point because of its magnitude and power however that didn't happend when sasuke focused it was on free nature second of all you should take in to consideration That minato had kyubbi s chakra mixed in ... but you might be right as well i m not really sure anymore since 5 chapter or so ago Minato actually asked for naruto to mix his chakra and minato s chakra with senjutsu ... Why would minato do that If he already had senjutsu

2 of all Itachi has proven himself that he can actually put a sensor in a genjtutsu and as for sm In this chapter i saw Minato not moving for around 14 chapters or soo .. so you can't automaticly assume that His sage mode was activated on an instant on top of that minato can use 1 hand seals but i don't see him summoning those two even here Right now in one of the most difficult spot he was on top of that to summon those two you actually need time jiraya who can summon gabamunta in an instant needed to actually focus his chakra and gather chakra around at that point to summon those two So those two could gather senjutsu for jiraya

3 Of all tsukyomi s nature Is unclear to us yet It seems it works on every target looking at the eyes well you would say This is bullshit because i have no evidence ? well Madara is planing on using the same tsukyomi on the moon right and when people look at it its gona put everysingle one Who actually Looks at it in a genjutsu but we know tsykyomi is short Range and that It requires a ton of chakra to reflect that sharingan on the moon or rather only the jubbi can do that so madara s plan was to use the jubbi itself and i read a thread of yours back then can't really remember when i left the base but i m back but you actually rendered tsukyomi usless agianst minato or smth becuase of a sm theory ( maybe it was minator s thread not really sure ) you can take kabuto as an example on how powerful tsukyomi is Kabuto Is a medic and medics can Focus their entier chakra at one point and are very well known for their chakra control Kaubuto being a top medic possesing senjutsu ( that means he was absorbing chakra constantly ) and yet when he faced itachi he sealed his own vision Idkn what you call That but Its pretty clear too me that the jutsu itself is op and the manga has shown that it can also Kill (kakashi admited this) Madara is planing on taking on the world with the very same jutsu yet Minato is not to be understimated either however The only way i could say this is going itachi s way is because minato has no long range jutsu and without intel on tsukyomi he would be forced to fight closly On top of that itachi s reflexes Shunshin kunai mastery Crow jutsus and his hand seal speed i think it gives him the Edge

 

[Gaara Of The Death]

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Minato doesn't need to fight against Itachi with his eyes closed. As soon as he feels the build-up of chakra in Itachi's eyes, he simply closes his eyes and waits for the build-up of chakra to go. He won't be susceptible to an attack by Itachi since Sharingan Genjutsu is always cast while the Uchiha's not moving at all.

He can't even fight while in his sensor mode. And that chakra build up has only shown to appear when activating atrematsu.​

 

[BenjerminGaye]

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Don't even give me that, all through this thread people have been trying to say Minato sensing abilities are like Tobirama's and Karin's. And even with that it still doesn't back up the statement that Minato can fight good with his eyes closed.​

So you're saying that a perfect sage mode user can't sense like another perfect sage mode user through sage mode? Cuz that makes no sense.

He's a sensor. Even without sm.
But with sm enhancing his abilities(sensing included) and giving him a whole new way to sense things. It wouldn't be a stretch to say he's comparable to that of karin or tobirama. Maybe even better.

 

[Touken]

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He can't even fight while in his sensor mode. And that chakra build up has only shown to appear when activating atrematsu.​

He doesn't need to. He waits for the chakra build-up to go and he opens his eyes again.

Probably because the only sensor who's been caught in a Genjutsu was distracted by other people.

It's obvious chakra is needed to cast Genjutsu, and since it's a Sharingan Genjutsu, it'll be done from the eyes, meaning the chakra build-up will be there.

 

[Gaara Of The Death]

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He doesn't need to. He waits for the chakra build-up to go and he opens his eyes again.

Probably because the only sensor who's been caught in a Genjutsu was distracted by other people.

It's obvious chakra is needed to cast Genjutsu, and since it's a Sharingan Genjutsu, it'll be done from the eyes, meaning the chakra build-up will be there.

You make a good point.​

 

[Avinash012]

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He can't even fight while in his sensor mode. And that chakra build up has only shown to appear when activating atrematsu.​

Who said that he can't?

Iam pretty sure he sensed Naruto when he has Rasengan in his hand.

Just for the contrary notes, Madara planned to fight the alliance without the use of his eyes, before fighting Edo Hashirama [

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] and he didn't need SM to do that. So the claim of his sensing perception enhanced with SM is incorrect. Not to mention, he detected Hashirama's position while blind when he speedblitz him.

SM increases your sensing abilities that is a manga fact.Madara might be a super better taijutsu fighter than Sasuke but Blind Madara ain't fighting and trolling EMS Sasuke without SM.

 

[Draegod]

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I already told you. Naruto didn't even glipse a sharingan until he was already hiding behind the tree. To which he then started looking at his feet.. He simply saw a black figure in the bushes. So that goes right out the window

Actually it is a fact Uchihas can cast genjutsu from that range with basic 3 tomoe, it is also a fact they have the ability to see chakra figures

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that are not too thick. So with that itachi knew naruto was there before he showed himself no diff! And clearly had his sharingan active and prepped, Itachi clearly made eye contact with naruto or could have there. You have no proof to say he didn't it's all speculation on your part and on others. Unless you can quote kishi or tell me what naruto personally told you or itachi personally told you.

 

[Prince Charles]

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Who said that he can't?

Iam pretty sure he sensed Naruto when he has Rasengan in his hand.


SM increases your sensing abilities that is a manga fact.Madara might be a super better taijutsu fighter than Sasuke but he ain't fighting and trolling EMS Sasuke without SM.

and that rasegan vanished after that.

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One can argue it was due to him sensing or he put out the rasegan by himself purposely.

 

[Bronze]

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Minato doesn't need to fight against Itachi with his eyes closed. As soon as he feels the build-up of chakra in Itachi's eyes, he simply closes his eyes and waits for the build-up of chakra to go. He won't be susceptible to an attack by Itachi since Sharingan Genjutsu is always cast while the Uchiha's not moving at all.

Itachi can cast Genjutsu without sensors detecting it [

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]. Supported by Kabuto in Sennin mode, who needed to completely shut his vision, so he doesn't fall for Itachi's Genjutsu.

SM increases your sensing abilities that is a manga fact.Madara might be a super better taijutsu fighter than Sasuke but Blind Madara ain't fighting and trolling EMS Sasuke without SM.

That's got nothing to do with my post.

 

[KidGamer65]

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He was referring to how well Madara fought with no eyes suggesting that since Madara can do it why can't Minato, right of the bat there is 2 things wrong with that:

-Hashirama's SM is better than Naruto's and Minato's.

-Madara is a better fighter than Minato, plus Madara was fighting against a fatigued Naruto and Sai....​

-That's nothing but an assumption. The only thing that makes his SM different from Naruto and Minato's is that he can use Shinsuusenju, and even then it isn't because of his Sage Mode alone that he can use it, its because he has Mokuton as well. Sensing is the same for all Perfect Sages as it is a result of attaining Nature Energy, which all Sages must learn to control in order to enter Sage Mode.

-lol, conveniently leaving out the part where he fought Sasuke.

 

[Touken]

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Itachi can cast Genjutsu without sensors detecting it [

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]. Supported by Kabuto in Sennin mode, who needed to completely shut his vision, so he doesn't fall for Itachi's Genjutsu.

A unit made up of far inferior sensors don't compare to Sage Mode sensing. Kabuto was fighting both Sasuke and Itachi, if he decided to shut his eyes while Itachi attempted to cast Genjutsu then Sasuke'd be right upon him considering he'd have to change to sensor mode. By cutting off his vision completely, he had the luxury of relying on something that had the benefits of sight but none of it's disadvantages, this way he wouldn't have to constantly switch from normal mode to sensor mode each time he shut his eyes against Itachi's Genjutsu.

 

[Gaara Of The Death]

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-That's nothing but an assumption. The only thing that makes his SM different from Naruto and Minato's is that he can use Shinsuusenju, and even then it isn't because of his Sage Mode alone that he can use it, its because he has Mokuton as well. Sensing is the same for all Perfect Sages as it is a result of attaining Nature Energy, which all Sages must learn to control in order to enter Sage Mode.

-lol, conveniently leaving out the part where he fought Sasuke.

Don't even like Sasuke that much, I simply forgot about Sasuke getting one shotted.​

 

[Bronze]

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A unit made up of far inferior sensors don't compare to Sage Mode sensing. Kabuto was fighting both Sasuke and Itachi, if he decided to shut his eyes while Itachi attempted to cast Genjutsu then Sasuke'd be right upon him considering he'd have to change to sensor mode. By cutting off his vision completely, he had the luxury of relying on something that had the benefits of sight but none of it's disadvantages, this way he wouldn't have to constantly switch from normal mode to sensor mode each time he shut his eyes against Itachi's Genjutsu.

No proof SM sensors are better. Not to mention those sensors are using the pot to enhance their scale into the scale of almost the Shinobi world, where Itachi can cast 1/4 a Genjutsu of that scale. Not to mention Minato cant sense while fighting in base. No [

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]. He specifically said it directly to Itachi. Sensors cant notice Itachi's Genjutsu.

 

[Owarij]

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Actually it is a fact Uchihas can cast genjutsu from that range with basic 3 tomoe, it is also a fact they have the ability to see chakra figures

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that are not too thick. So with that itachi knew naruto was there before he showed himself no diff! And clearly had his sharingan active and prepped, Itachi clearly made eye contact with naruto or could have there. You have no proof to say he didn't it's all speculation on your part and on others. Unless you can quote kishi or tell me what naruto personally told you or itachi personally told you.

You need to go reread all the arguments. esp when we covered this. Naruto, my manga scans only saw a human figure's side. When he gleemed closer, he saw sharingan and became alerted. We saw when naruto saw the sharingan. Anything else is assumption.