Senjutsu Rasengan impact on susanoo

[Derek1st]

I don't think this says anything for the susano'o argument, but it shows some inconsistencies with the sage art: rasengan.

That attack knocked rikudo obito 100 feet in the sky all the way to the ground and made blood come out of his mouth. He had crazy durability feats. Yet kakashi walked it off. It much have not been as strong as naruto's

 

[Derek1st]

Dude madaras susanoo brushed one of like it was nothing Lol tiss why (off topic) minato will never beat an Uchiha

Never beat an uchiha? He'd kick sasuke's ass, itachi's ass, in fact, rinnegan madara is probably the ONLY uchiha he'd have trouble with

 

[Derek1st]

the arm is severed from minato.. severing the chakra supply which keeps the rasengan rotating and getting its power.. the senjutsu is also cut off meaning kakashi got hit by something that wasnt even a rasengan any more :|

Wow i never thought of this, nice find, but wouldn't that mean that a rasenshuriken would lose power the longer its away from your hand ?

 

[AlphaScythian]

wow.. someones jimmies got rustled :|

You should thank me, for stopping all that BS, you could've infected some one U_U

Edit: like Derek1st :|

 

[Retsu]

Sure because thrown FRS is weaker then slammed one?

Last time i checked rasengan was self sustained, were K11 controlling rasengan? Do they have a skill for that?

obviously the BM cloaks from Nardo had something to do with that, you don't disprove anything

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Minato's ransengan equals Naruto's giant ransengan in size. Take a look at its power against an Itachi clone.

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It made a crater on the ground just from hitting an Itachi clone. It wasn't even targeted on the ground. Now take a look at Naruto's base ransengan and compare it to SM ransengan.

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So yeah, given the increase in power, a SM ransengan from Minato of this size.....

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...... Will definitely damage susanoo. Just apply the SM power increase to a giant ransengan and you've got a monstrous attack.

 

[AlphaScythian]

obviously the BM cloaks from Nardo had something to do with that, you don't disprove anything

Obviously another speculation, there are tons of examples of severed chakra and shit U_U

 

[Gucci45]

Never beat an uchiha? He'd kick sasuke's ass, itachi's ass, in fact, rinnegan madara is probably the ONLY uchiha he'd have trouble with

Lol his strongest attack couldn't kill a 14 year old uchiha Lol stay irate

 

[RufusSerano]

This is BS. A TBB is severed from chakra source yet it doesnt lack any power, Rasengan was copied of that.

Raiton pencils, blades, kunais dont lose power either.

FRS is rasengan with wind blades around, doesnt lose power too.

K11 used nardo's rasengans didnt lose any power.

SM rasengan sux, face the truth.

Only partitionally true,
chackra infused kunais do loose power over time, otherwise they would keep charged forever. Blades are beeing constantly charged by the user. Rasenshuriken is the prime example that jutsus like Rasengan & co need to be suplied by a constant flow of chakra. When Naruto tried to use Rasenshuriken without SM, he couldnt throw it, it would just collapse. He needed SM to keep it alive and controll it over distance.
As for TBBs, I guess they do loose power, too, it just doesnt matter because the loss is neglectable / not rly noticable.

We also know that if you dont give a rasengan enough joice to sustain it collapses very quickly without giving you any noticible power-output. See Narutos Rasengan trining, pre-shippuuden stuff.

 

[Retsu]

Obviously another speculation, there are tons of examples of severed chakra and shit U_U

your post is way more based on speculation, anyways it's obvious your jimmies are rustled, ppl here have already come to terms with the fact that his arm was severed, therefore it had no chakra control. You're just beating a dead horse as no one in the thread agrees with you.

funny how with you uchiha fans anytime someone defends Minato and you see it, it ALWAYS results in this

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[adeshina365]

Minato's ransengan equals Naruto's giant ransengan in size. Take a look at its power against an Itachi clone.

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It made a crater on the ground just from hitting an Itachi clone. It wasn't even targeted on the ground. Now take a look at Naruto's base ransengan and compare it to SM ransengan.

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So yeah, given the increase in power, a SM ransengan from Minato of this size.....

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...... Will definitely damage susanoo. Just apply the SM power increase to a giant ransengan and you've got a monstrous attack.

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[Sennin of Logic]

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That's a massive ransengan with no senjutsu. I'm talking about a giant ransengan with senjutsu which is more powerful than that.

 

[AlphaScythian]

your post is way more based on speculation, anyways it's obvious your jimmies are rustled, ppl here have already come to terms with the fact that his arm was severed, therefore it had no chakra control. You're just beating a dead horse as no one in the thread agrees with you.

funny how with you uchiha fans anytime someone defends Minato and you see it, it ALWAYS results in this

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Its a speculation and thats it. It sound plausible but we have tons of examples that prove it false, FRS is example of it.
Do you have any manga support to claim it true?
No? Then stop!

 

[RufusSerano]

Its a speculation and thats it. It sound plausible but we have tons of examples that prove it false, FRS is example of it.
Do you have any manga support to claim it true?
No? Then stop!

FRS uses sage mode. Senjutsu can be used to control chakra over distance, thats why RS works and does not collapse, that does not mean that a user of FRS cannot just cut the 'power supply' and let the jutsu collapse though.

Do you have other examples? Because FRS is just no argument at all.

 

[Avery Namikaze]

SM lets you control thrown jutsus over distances. (Ex. FRS) Don't be stupid Alpha

 

[adeshina365]

That's a massive ransengan with no senjutsu. I'm talking about a giant ransengan with senjutsu which is more powerful than that.

The difference in size should make up for the lack of Senjutsu. The former is exponentially larger.

 

[Lucidus]

Wow i never thought of this, nice find, but wouldn't that mean that a rasenshuriken would lose power the longer its away from your hand ?

Yes in a way.. but these technique have been designed to be projectiles..

think about it... a jutsu that isnt being supplied chakra eventually die out.. the speed at which rasenshuriken travels and the way it rotates aswell would give it that extra power also.. aswell as enhanced by sage mode .. it is designed to be projected.. a regular rasengan isnt .. why do you think a regular rasengan cant be thrown ?

also a rasenshuriken doesnt stick around for very long after being thrown..

also a regular rasengan by logic.. should need someone to keep rotatiing that chakra in order for it to be a rasengan if that connection is cut then the rasengan will die out

 

[Retsu]

Its a speculation and thats it. It sound plausible but we have tons of examples that prove it false, FRS is example of it.
Do you have any manga support to claim it true?
No? Then stop!

FRS and a hand held rasengan are as different as night and day, and if a user stops concentrating on it, it loses power and fades, stop thinking so biased and ask yourself, if rasengan could be thrown, why is it never used as a projectile? but then again the fact that you compare FRS with rasengan shows us you have about as much grasp on that concept as a fruit fly, but just to show that i know what im talking about and aren't pulling facts outta my ass like you do, i'll provide an example of what happens if you lose focus on a rasengan, either thru a severed arm or otherwise.

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this proves that all you can do is speculate while i use manga evidence to back up my claims

 

[xxSAGExx]

This is BS. A TBB is severed from chakra source yet it doesnt lack any power, Rasengan was copied of that.

Raiton pencils, blades, kunais dont lose power either.

FRS is rasengan with wind blades around, doesnt lose power too.

K11 used nardo's rasengans didnt lose any power.

SM rasengan sux, face the truth.

You can't shoot the Resengan at people can you? It's not made from Bijuu's black and white chakra is it? No so it's not the same thing. Minato made a human version of it that has to be driven into a person or object. FRS is a completely different jutsu that is form by combining wind chakra to it which changes the jutsu. Did you forget how a Rasengan is made? it's all chakra control and the caster has to keep the chakra compressed and spinning, it doesn't do it itself.

Raiton objects aren't jutsus, they're items infused with chakra to increase their penetration and sharpness. Naruto formed the rasengans in his tails and then K11 grabbed it and used it. Naruto gave them BSM cloaks which he can control, so Naruto could have controlled the reasengans via BSM cloaks.

FRS is another jutsu, Rasengan was said to be a incomplete jutsu and FRS is a complete jutsu. The wind chakra infused in it allow Naruto to learn to throw it, when he first used it, it was about 50% as stated by Yamato.

How does SM Rasengan sux? The arm was severed so it's not being compressed or made to spin which will make it lose power plus edos are weaker than alive either way plus it wasn't drived into Kakashi. If you look at when Madara kicked it, it was in a different angle then when it hit Kakashi so he wasn't hit by it full force as someone who would if they had it driven into them.

 

[AlphaScythian]

FRS uses sage mode. Senjutsu can be used to control chakra over distance, thats why RS works and does not collapse, that does not mean that a user of FRS cannot just cut the 'power supply' and let the jutsu collapse though.

Do you have other examples? Because FRS is just no argument at all.

SM lets you control thrown jutsus over distances. (Ex. FRS) Don't be stupid Alpha

No. FRS is just too heavy for naruto to throw. Only in KCM, BM and SM he throw it cuz he has strenght to do so.

Other example would be Asuma and his wind infused blade.
He also shapes wind into a thin blade and after throwing it still maintains its form and does the job.