THREAD: Why TNJ is to be celebrated, not hated.

Bad Touch Yakushi

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Hey, Numbers here. Important thread today so hear me out. You'll learn to enjoy the manga a lot more when you realise TNJ isn't an actual thing and is the
ENTIRE POINT OF THIS MANGA.

-It's why the boundary between good/evil doesn't exist in this story.

-It's why war and the road to peace is the main theme of the story.

-It's why Naruto Uzumaki is special and why he is our protagonist.

One panel can act as a visual metaphor for all of this and ironically, it was in todays chapter.

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► EMPATHY

Naruto is the one to bring everybody together. Ending conflict, the boundary between good/evil and ultimately peace. EMPATHY is what makes Naruto a good character. He saw a tortured child inside the psychopath Gaara. He saw a hopeful strong woman inside the alcoholic Tsunade who had given up, a strong ally inside the embodiment of evil Demon Fox within him and now the ninja world has teamed up against one ultimate 'evil' and even that Naruto will make redundant.

Name one relevant antagonist in the Naruto series who did not get a sympathetic background. From Kakazu to Danzo to Orochimaru to Pain, every single one started pure. The only person who was able to resist Naruto's empathy seems to be Sasuke, a special case. And even then, Naruto undeniably had an impact on his character. Through life experiences Sasuke was able to come to his own moral decision, based off the route his revenge had taken him and the words and thoughts given to him through Hashirama, Itachi, The Leaf, Kabuto, Danzo, Orochimaru, his team AND Naruto.

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He just came to the conclusion on his own.

►"YOU WANT TO HELP HIM"

Kakashi summarised it at the very end of the 10 Tails Revival Arc the reason. Listen to his words.

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You want to help him. His empathy rubs off on other shinobi and ultimately the reader. Naruto is a simple and basic character because he's essentially, a canvas. His innocence and the hardships he went through at his early age have given him a unique vision on the world and even if he isn't the most intelligent or complex character- the changes that happen around his character because of his outlook on life are amazing.

► NARUTO'S NINJA WAY

Where does all this come from? Was he born with this blessing of being a messiah? No. He was taught it on his first mission. The people we have to thank for Naruto's ninja way are:

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The deaths of Zabuza & Haku had a HUGE impact on Naruto as a young child. He never empathised with Sasuke or anyone else before the Zabuza mission. It's not just from his past as the 9 tails kid- it's the fact that Naruto saw a different side to someone who was supposedly his enemy. As he says at the end of the arc, "I actually quite liked them!"

On his first proper mission Naruto learnt to empathise with people, good or bad and see different points of view. Without Haku and Zabuza's sacrifices to protect and avenge each other, Naruto would've never gone onto become the ninja he is today.

Gaara would still be the psycho jinchuuriki, Neji wouldnt have died free, Sai would still work for the Foundation, Tsunade would not be Hokage and Nagato would've killed everyone in the Leaf. It's this understanding that will also eventually create peace in the Ninja world. The seemingly pointless and trivial first arc may seem boring but it's pretty much one of the most important moments as it forms the entire point of the story.

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Naruto Uzumaki is a fantastically written character and people really do not appreciate this enough to degrade it to such simplifciations as 'Talk no Jutsu'.​


Numbers out.​
 
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One of the reasons why I like Naruto's story is that there isn't a truly evil character. All of them believe that what they were doing was right (with the exception of Orochimaru, Gaara was understandable)​
 

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The TNJ really worked out, I've bookmarked your thread I'll read it later as it's seems interesting lol, the TNJ contributed something major to the manga that this point, like in the latest chap, as we saw obito, an antipathetic individual was moved by naruto's words, and proceeded to impale Madara (he was absorbing the hermit power I believe?) and yeah, TNJ works! Believe it!
 

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Well I like this thread a lot, and you are right there is no Talk no Jutsu. There only is the determination and the ability of Naruto to sympathise with everyone, and it is even why I love this Manga so much.
 

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TNJ is a good thing it means villains are not these closed minded people that they are open to others ideals and can move forward from what was holding there's back.
 

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thats the reason why I like the naruto series..you sir got a + rep
 

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One of the reasons why I like Naruto's story is that there isn't a truly evil character. All of them believe that what they were doing was right (with the exception of Orochimaru, Gaara was understandable)​

Exactly, the people who don't get this and complain over it are missing the point of the manga. Even Orochimaru, whilst definitely naturally twisted- will have had his outlook on life nurture from innocent origins. His parents died and his quiet fascination with snakes created a monster. He isn't an ultimate evil and we haven't seen enough of his origin story to count him out as unchangeable.

The only person who was able to resist Naruto's empathy seems to be Sasuke. And even then, Naruto undeniably had an impact on his character. Through life experiences Sasuke was able to come to his own moral decision, based off the route his revenge had taken him and the words and thoughts given to him through Hashirama, Itachi, The Leaf, Kabuto, Danzo, Orochimaru, his team AND Naruto.

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He just came to the conclusion on his own.


(gonna add this to the main post if this is okay aha)
 

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This thread is really inspiring :flowers:

I was also reminded about how Naruto is not a naive kid that some like to call him by today's chapter, with a flashback of him saying "I'm not looking for an easy path but for a way to walk the hard one" (or so).
 

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*Claims TNJ doesn't exists*

*Immediately says it's the entire point of the manga*

I kid, I actually really agree with this. 5 stars.
 

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There is no such thing as evil? I can't agree! There is plenty of evil in this world. That's why I don't like that TNJ'ing. Certain things just can't be forgiven imho. That's also why I don't like the naive character that Naruto is.
 

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There is no such thing as evil? I can't agree there is plenty of evil in this world. That's why I don't like that TNJ'ing. Certain things just can't be forgiven imho.

Everything can be forgiven.

You just have to have the capacity to.
 

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Everything can be forgiven.

You just have to have the capacity to.

Man, I don't know. I could never forgive a child rapist or a murderer, especially if he murdered someone close to me.
 

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There is no such thing as evil? I can't agree there is plenty of evil in this world. That's why I don't like that TNJ'ing. Certain things just can't be forgiven imho.

Naruto isn't exactly all-forgiving either. He told Nagato that he wouldn't forgive him, he also told Obito to go and accept punishment. He just refuses to kill to break the cycle of hatred and all.

Of course it is simplified, but hey, it's fiction, and it's Shounen, not some drama tragedy manga.
 

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Naruto isn't exactly all-forgiving either. He told Nagato that he wouldn't forgive him, he also told Obito to go and accept punishment. He just refuses to kill to break the cycle of hatred and all.

Of course it is simplified, but hey, it's fiction, and it's Shounen, not some drama tragedy manga.

Ofc, I know it's fiction, don't get me wrong I just seemes to me like OP is trying to tell us Naruto is a lesson for real life.
 

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I am loving this thread.
 

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There is no such thing as evil? I can't agree! There is plenty of evil in this world. That's why I don't like that TNJ'ing. Certain things just can't be forgiven imho. That's also why I don't like the naive character that Naruto is.

That's your personal outlook on life and I can't argue with that. In real life there's the whole nature VS nuture argument and some people debating if evil is just a human invention and who then gets to decide where you draw the line on that? It's a big debate, and one none of us can answer.

In the NV world though? I'd say it's pretty solid that they're all meant to be intertwined.
 

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Wooooow amazning you are totally right and i knew that from the start i thanked this post!!!
 

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There really is no such thing as good and evil. These are all things that we as humans came up with, I think Naruto expresses that perfectly.​
 

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Naruto is the only manga I've read where someone can do a complete 180 in terms of personality and ideals.Some of it is good but the rest is pretty predictable.
 
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