[VS] Tobirama vs minato

[narutorikudoumode]

Tobirama wins vs regular minato mid diff
tobirama equals kcm minato
minato wins high diff with bijuu mode

 

[RicardoA]

This.

The prepped Kunai, faster body flicker and superior speed wins it for Minato in base. S/T barrier gives him the better defense and toad summonings plus rasengan gives Minato equal fire power.

If people say Tobirama can summon unknown Edo's then Minato can summon Fukasaku and Shima.

Well, Tobirama gained fame for using Edos and Ma and Pa should also be (are) included in the toad contract. So, why not? xd

 

[AvatarMadara]

If it was a battle while they were still alive I think the battle would stal-mate, Tobirama is very powerfull and thinks well on his feet, minato does have his speed and resengan. but tobirama has bs stamina. now if was EMS battle with no dyeing clause lifed then BM minato would smash.

 

[Bogard]

Well, Tobirama gained fame for using Edos and Ma and Pa should also be (are) included in the toad contract. So, why not? xd

He then declared that as a kinjutsu alongside his brother who repeated even during their revival that it was a jutsu he should have never created. That means he didn't have edo corpse at his disposal, and the preparations for the technique is too long to be usable in battle. Concerning Ma and Pa, Minato can summon them imo, but he never used them in battle, so i usually don't use them in debate, but i guess it depends on the personal opinion

 

[Ababeel]

BM Minato stomps Tobirama with almost no effort. Base Minato wins mid-difficult though.

 

[Tobby17]

He then declared that as a kinjutsu alongside his brother who repeated even during their revival that it was a jutsu he should have never created. That means he didn't have edo corpse at his disposal, and the preparations for the technique is too long to be usable in battle. Concerning Ma and Pa, Minato can summon them imo, but he never used them in battle, so i usually don't use them in debate, but i guess it depends on the personal opinion

ok this is just bullshxt, if he says he used gojou kibakufuda for the first time on his body, and it's a justu he created for Edo Tensei, tell me which body did he use it on previously?

 

[Bogard]

ok this is just bullshxt, if he says he used gojou kibakufuda for the first time on his body, and it's a justu he created for Edo Tensei, tell me which body did he use it on previously?

Learn to read? I said he then declared it as a kinjutsu. I never said he never used edo tensei in life(something obviously wrong). I said that at some point in his life he stopped using it since he labeled it as a kinjutsu and his brother was scolding him for the idea of creating such a jutsu in the first place. You get it now?

 

[Ababeel]

I think Tobirama used ET until the end since he was killed in the War, and according to Chiyo he was using the ET.
However, his ET is obviously not as good as Kabuto. U_U

 

[Penguin]

The only thing alive Minato has on Tobirama is prepped kunai. If that is taken away, Tobirama wins or ties, even though he was portrayed to be on KCM Minato's level when Tobirama wasn't at full power.

I think Tobirama used ET until the end since he was killed in the War, and according to Chiyo he was using the ET.
However, his ET is obviously not as good as Kabuto. U_U

Kabuto uses it differently than Tobirama.

He then declared that as a kinjutsu alongside his brother who repeated even during their revival that it was a jutsu he should have never created. That means he didn't have edo corpse at his disposal, and the preparations for the technique is too long to be usable in battle. Concerning Ma and Pa, Minato can summon them imo, but he never used them in battle, so i usually don't use them in debate, but i guess it depends on the personal opinion

I believe he used it in the war, so saying he does not have DNA is a speculation.

This.

The prepped Kunai, faster body flicker and superior speed wins it for Minato in base. S/T barrier gives him the better defense and toad summonings plus rasengan gives Minato equal fire power.

If people say Tobirama can summon unknown Edo's then Minato can summon Fukasaku and Shima.

I don't get your last point. Madara said he could summon edos, and Tobirama said he could as well. No one said Minato can summon the sages. Your point is moot.

 

[Bogard]

The only thing alive Minato has on Tobirama is prepped kunai. If that is taken away, Tobirama wins or ties, even though he was portrayed to be on KCM Minato's level when Tobirama wasn't at full power.

For one, the full power statement concerns Orochimaru's edo tensei skills, so Minato as well as Hiruzen weren't brought back at full power, but they were so close to full power that the difference is negligeable. Secondly i disagree with your opinion here. Minato is still superior to him in base speed, sealing techniques, boss summons along with the destructive capacity of the rasengan, something Tobirama lacks outside edos. Also Tobirama was never portrayed to be on KCM Minato's lvl.

People have the bad habit to think that fighting alongside another means the people are on the same level. Gai isn't on Naruto's lvl despite having helped Naruto plenty of times during his battle against Obito, like Naruto FG wasn't on Kakashi's(or Zabuza's) lvl despite having helped him to escape the water prison against Zabuza, and so on.

Dunno where you got your idea of equal portrayal, especially when in this case KCM Minato was lacking an arm, something you people quickly like to forget. Without an arm, no ninjutsu, even your physical capacities are weakened

I believe he used it in the war, so saying he does not have DNA is a speculation.

Maybe but judging by Hashirama's statement concerning it, it looks like it's not the case

 

[Ababeel]

The only thing alive Minato has on Tobirama is prepped kunai. If that is taken away, Tobirama wins or ties, even though he was portrayed to be on KCM Minato's level when Tobirama wasn't at full power.

Minato's teleportaion and speed is better than Tobirana. Also, when was Tobirama ever portrayed to be on the same level
as KCM Minato? Because I'm sure he's portrayed to be below base Minato's level. U_U

 

[Champ]

Tobirama most likely loses to BM Minato, but alive Minato he could take.

 

[Penguin]

Minato's teleportaion and speed is better than Tobirana. Also, when was Tobirama ever portrayed to be on the same level
as KCM Minato? Because I'm sure he's portrayed to be below base Minato's level. U_U

Show me a scan. I am sure it said "better" not "faster". Better =/= faster. And it was referring to shunshin. When Tobirama saved KCM from the TBB, fighting Juubito with minimal success like Minato was, etc. How were they not portrayed equals?

For one, the full power statement concerns Orochimaru's edo tensei skills, so Minato as well as Hiruzen weren't brought back at full power, but they were so close to full power that the difference is negligeable. Secondly i disagree with your opinion here. Minato is still superior to him in base speed, sealing techniques, boss summons along with the destructive capacity of the rasengan, something Tobirama lacks outside edos. Also Tobirama was never portrayed to be on KCM Minato's lvl.

People have the bad habit to think that fighting alongside another means the people are on the same level. Gai isn't on Naruto's lvl despite having helped Naruto plenty of times during his battle against Obito, like Naruto FG wasn't on Kakashi's(or Zabuza's) lvl despite having helped him to escape the water prison against Zabuza, and so on.

Dunno where you got your idea of equal portrayal, especially when in this case KCM Minato was lacking an arm, something you people quickly like to forget. Without an arm, no ninjutsu, even your physical capacities are weakened



Maybe but judging by Hashirama's statement concerning it, it looks like it's not the case

He was fighting equally with KCM Minato though, albeit KCM Minato was in a shaken state. You realize Minato won't use Bunta, or sealing techniques in a one on one versus a human. He will go in and try to tag him, or spread his kunai around. There will not be any jutsu besides FTG in a fight between Tobirama and Minato and you know it. I even think you or one of your friends said this.

But with the kunai issue, if Tobirama had the same amount of kunai, they are basically equals. Minato has better shunshin, but nothing Tobirama cannot react to.

 

[Bogard]

He was fighting equally with KCM Minato though, albeit KCM Minato was in a shaken state. You realize Minato won't use Bunta, or sealing techniques in a one on one versus a human. He will go in and try to tag him, or spread his kunai around. There will not be any jutsu besides FTG in a fight between Tobirama and Minato and you know it. I even think you or one of your friends said this.

I know of course. Just wanted to point out the playfield where i believe Minato would have the edge in a general comparison. Of course, in battle against speedsters, it would barely have any meaning

 

[Penguin]

I know of course. Just wanted to point out the playfield where i believe Minato would have the edge in a general comparison. Of course, in battle against speedsters, it would barely have any meaning

I see. I just wanted to make sure you knew Tobirama wouldn't be able to get off edos nor Minato his summons.

 

[Ababeel]

Show me a scan. I am sure it said "better" not "faster". Better =/= faster. And it was referring to shunshin. When Tobirama saved KCM from the TBB, fighting Juubito with minimal success like Minato was, etc. How were they not portrayed equals?

1- The very scan the Minato arraived first is proof by itself that he's faster, otherwise they would have arrived at the same time.(=
2- I said that before, and I'll say it again, FTG is often called a shunshin.
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- Minato was going to teleport that anyway, and just because Tobirama did it, that by no means make him on the same level as KCM Minato!

As for your question

How were they not portrayed equals?

1- If you look at their hype from statements and stuff, Tobirama falls short before Minato.
Like, with A, Kakashi, Jiraiya's statements....etc. However, you don't see the same things with Tobirama.

2- Their feats.
Minato finished the 3rd War. he fought A & B who were said to be the strongest tag team on Kumo, unlike Tobirama who was defeated by a weaker team (kin & gin). Minato also defeated obito and sealed Kurama.

3- Kishi always as well compare Naruto to his father.
As for Tobirama, when they first arrived he said Minato is better than him. He also said he can't teleport everyone like Minato...etc

even if we start to compare their jutsus, Minato is still superior to Tobirama in base.

 

[Penguin]

1- The very scan the Minato arraived first is proof by itself that he's faster, otherwise they would have arrived at the same time.(=
2- I said that before, and I'll say it again, FTG is often call a shunshin.
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You must put common sense into this. Tobirama had no marks on the battlefield. Sasuke was pretty close behind Tobirama, so you are telling me Sasuke is almost as fast as FTG? No. Teleporting means shunshin, and in the VIZ, it said teleporting.

- Minato was going to teleport that anyway, and just because Tobirama did it, that by no means make him on the same level as KCM Minato!

Nor did I say because of that feat they are equals. Tobirama showed very impressive reactions and speed feats, along with showing a very quick to act mindset. He was the one who almost always acted before anyone including Minato, and has shown to be great at analyzing opponents, even better than Minato as seen when natural energy was effective against Juubito.

As for your question


1- If you look at their hype from statements and stuff, Tobirama falls short before Minato.
Like, with A, Kakashi, Jiraiya's statements....etc. However, you don't see the same things with Tobirama.

Not really. An Anbu said Tobirama and Hashirama were the best shinobi Konoha produced.

2- Their feats.
Minato finished the 3rd War. he fought A & B who were said to be the strongest tag team on Kumo, unlike Tobirama who was defeated by a weaker team (kin & gin). Minato also defeated obito and sealed Kurama.

Tobirama was defeated by Kin and Gin because Tobirama was at a peace signing with the 2nd Raikage, and it was a coup d'état. That implies Tobirama was snuck up on and jumped. He wouldn't be able to sense them because he had no reason to knead chakra. We also do not know how Tobirama died, as it was never confirmed.

3- Kishi always as well compare Naruto to his father.
As for Tobirama, when they first arrived he said Minato is better than him. He also said he can't teleport everyone like Minato...etc

even if we start to compare their jutsus, Minato is still superior to Tobirama in base.

So because Minato has better FTG means he can beat Tobirama in a one on one? Because he can teleport more people? Please.

 

[Champ]

Minato seal is on Naruto, that's how he got there first

 

[Touken]

Lemme clear this up for the last time, if Minato used FTG to get to the battlefield, surely he would have taken everyone else with him? Time was of the essence considering they were heading towards the battlefield of the 4th Shinobi World War.

 

[KidGamer65]

Even Base Minato would win, as long as Tobirama doesn't have Edo Tensei.