Holy ????, the weather, half a country literally frozen solid

[China IL]

I wish them a speedy recovery

This is just insane, now the people have to become more united than ever :yeah:

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

Global Warming my ass.

 

[Souji]

I would love for California to be like this.

Hell no. -Zane- pls no

Global warming???

Global Warming my ass.

This is one of the effects of the slowing down of the THC (Thermohaline Circulation) due to the melting of the polar ice caps and dilution of seawater.

All of Europe will freeze over in the next couple of decades at the rate this is going.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

This is one of the effects of the slowing down of the THC (Thermohaline Circulation) due to the melting of the polar ice caps and dilution of seawater.

All of Europe will freeze over in the next couple of decades at the rate this is going.

You'll have to explain to me how the melting of the polar ice caps= A city almost being frozen over. I thought the diluted sea water and rises in sea level was suppose to sink land not freeze it. Thats what I thought the whole global warming theory contributed too, land being submerged in water.

I haven't studied global warming in depth.

 

[Aim64C]

actually yes, both sides of weather will get more extreme, the summers are becoming hotter and the winters colder

You do realize that this contradicts every law of thermodynamics.

that is global warming, it disrupts wind patterns, ocean currents, ...

Because those things are static?

global warming=/=warmer all the time

in it's simplest sense it means that the weather will be getting more and more extreme and there is no way anyone culd deny that is happening worryingly fast

Except the cooling is a global trend - even at the caps.

Climate 'scientists' postulated that warmer air would be pushed into the polar regions, raising their relative temperature and cooling the air before sending it back toward the equator, triggering storms.

Unfortunately, every single one of them failed physics, and doesn't realize that the specific heat of ice is abysmally low compared to the specific heat of water - with the specific heat of air being even lower than that.

The only way for the cooling trend we see to even begin to make sense is if you accept that more heat is escaping the atmosphere than is being radiated on it and retained.

Which means no global warming. No green-house effect. No man-made climate change of the politically expedient variety.

Sure - we change the climate. We level mountains, plant forests, release millions of tons of water vapor into the air every harvest season, etc.

The reason carbon emissions have been targeted is one simple reason:

Imperialism.

U.S. currency is not actually managed by the Treasury any longer. It is managed by the Federal Reserve - a private institution that charges interest to the government for its services while loaning money to virtually all U.S. banking institutions (also at interest).

It's a Ponzi Scheme that should have collapsed long ago. Except for one thing - Opec. Opec requires that all trade for its oil holdings be done in U.S. bank notes - or Federal Reserve bank notes. This is popularly referred to as the "Petro-Dollar."

"That's nice, Aim - so how does this relate to global warming?"

It's quite simple, really. The U.S. will use U.S. currency - plain and simple. Efforts by private banks to issue their own private notes (usually backed by silver or gold) have been slammed hard by the Federal Reserve (thus relegating them largely to the investment business). The U.S. will continue to use Federal Reserve bank notes because that is what we know, and we have already accepted its continual inflation as a fact of life - it is "Just what happens."

Therefor - every gallon of oil consumed by the U.S. is a gallon of oil that is not sold abroad. The more oil consumed abroad - the harder it is for other nations to 'kick' the U.S. Federal Reserve. The more goods and services that a fiat currency can be exchanged for - the more valuable that currency. The only way for the dollar to avoid inflationary collapse is to continually absorb economic activity from other regions of the globe.

Unfortunately - human economies are necessarily limited. That means that, even if the dollar were to expand and become the -only- world currency, it would eventually succumb to inflationary collapse. But the inflationary economic systems benefit those who are able to spend the interest payments prior to the economy 'feeling' inflation. If I were to be given six trillion dollars to spend, I could buy six trillion dollars worth of goods in a short period of time - then, a few months later, what I bought with six trillion dollars may now cost nine trillion dollars.

Politicians attempt to control the effects of inflation by raising minimum wage incrementally in response to inflation (which is, itself, inflationary) - but that effectively increases the number of people making minimum wage (which the economy then inflates around). I make roughly $15 per hour - or 200% of minimum wage. If minimum wage were to be raised to $11 an hour, I would be making only 136.3% of minimum wage. I work in dialysis, with many of our clients being VA and medicare patients - our labor costs do not have much room to go up while our cost for supplies will increase (all jobs related to transportation have their costs increased) - any increases in revenue afforded by the 'more money' in the lowest paid workers is not enough to increase my pay much higher than about $17 an hour - or 154.5% of minimum wage.

As prices adjust, my purchasing power with what I am paid in my job goes down while minimum wage workers remain in relatively the same spot (with regard to purchasing power).

This is what is known as: "Trickle Up Poverty."

You don't believe me? The new chair of the Federal Reserve has taken up Climate Change as a key issue:

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Not only is the Federal Reserve looking to expand the "Petro-Dollar" by making more oil available to energy-starved nations like China (trying to get away from the dollar) - but they also plan to release a new 'currency' of sorts - 'carbon credits.'

It's downright ingenious, honestly.

They control existing markets expanding into new economies and emerging markets within established economies.

That's what the climate change alarmism boils down to. There are a lot of people who have been deluded into believing it, but the core driving force is pure economic conquest. No more. No less. It's not about solving real problems - only creating profitable ones.

 

[Souji]

You'll have to explain to me how the melting of the polar ice caps= A city almost being frozen over. I thought the diluted sea water and rises in sea level was suppose to sink land not freeze it. Thats what I thought the whole global warming theory contributed too, land being submerged in water.

I haven't studied global warming in depth.

Well then, it's a good thing I study it then, right?

First, you need to know about the THC. It's a system of currents that flows through multiple oceans, bringing warm, less salty water up to the surface, and colder, saltier water down to the depths.

Through this system, the warmer surface water affects global wind patterns, stabilizing the temperature and climates of most continents as a result.

Now, global warming (or climate change), causes polar ice caps to melt, causing freshwater to dilute and cool the ocean's surface layer (like how ice cubes cool a drink).

As a consequence, the dynamic equilibrium of temperature and salinity gradients that keep the THC flowing are disrupted, causing it to stop.

If the THC stops, the temperature balance and climate is changed. Since the warmer water is cooler, the winds are affected as a result. And thus, you have Europe freezing over. Oh, but it also doesn't stop the sea level from rising up as well, so essentially, it's a double edged sword.

... that's the process in layman's terms. Hope I explained it alright. Obviously, I won't claim to be an expert >_>

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

Well then, it's a good thing I study it then, right?

First, you need to know about the THC. It's a system of currents that flows through multiple oceans, bringing warm, less salty water up to the surface, and colder, saltier water down to the depths.

Through this system, the warmer surface water affects global wind patterns, stabilizing the temperature and climates of most continents as a result.

Now, global warming (or climate change), causes polar ice caps to melt, causing freshwater to dilute and cool the ocean's surface layer (like how ice cubes cool a drink).

As a consequence, the dynamic equilibrium of temperature and salinity gradients that keep the THC flowing are disrupted, causing it to stop.

If the THC stops, the temperature balance and climate is changed. Since the warmer water is cooler, the winds are affected as a result. And thus, you have Europe freezing over. Oh, but it also doesn't stop the sea level from rising up as well, so essentially, it's a double edged sword.

... that's the process in layman's terms. Hope I explained it alright. Obviously, I won't claim to be an expert >_>

Okay that makes sense, so the polar ice caps that melt into the salt water screws with the THC levels making the currents closer to the surface which were warm before hand cool. So instead of the ocean having a warm/cold density it becomes cold/cold which of course effects the trade winds and over all temperature and climate.

I had a total different idea of what global warming meant, I'm glad I asked. Thanks bro.

 

[Aim64C]

Well then, it's a good thing I study it then, right?

First, you need to know about the THC. It's a system of currents that flows through multiple oceans, bringing warm, less salty water up to the surface, and colder, saltier water down to the depths.

Through this system, the warmer surface water affects global wind patterns, stabilizing the temperature and climates of most continents as a result.

Climates have never been stable. Ice core records show that periods of time shorter than a decade resulted in temperature changes in excess of 10 degrees. Climates, at best, are meta-stable. But anyone who studies non-linear systems knows that the only stability within them is instability. Even with consistent energy inputs - the best you will get is a system that chaotically shifts between temporarily 'stable' states.

Now, global warming (or climate change), causes polar ice caps to melt, causing freshwater to dilute and cool the ocean's surface layer (like how ice cubes cool a drink).

As a consequence, the dynamic equilibrium of temperature and salinity gradients that keep the THC flowing are disrupted, causing it to stop.

If the THC stops, the temperature balance and climate is changed. Since the warmer water is cooler, the winds are affected as a result. And thus, you have Europe freezing over. Oh, but it also doesn't stop the sea level from rising up as well, so essentially, it's a double edged sword.

Except the sea level isn't rising. Satellite data originally collected for this purpose failed to indicate any sea level rise. The data was later 'calibrated' to reflect a sea level rise that was supposed to be fact.

Islands flooding? More like sinking. Irrigation systems were literally flooding the islands in question.

What you fail to realize is that the situation you described is not possible within the realm of physics. Water has a specific heat of roughly four times that of air - with ice being roughly half the specific heat of water. Discounting the heat of fusion of water - it is mathematically impossible for ice at polar temperatures to melt and re-freeze at anything approaching polar temperatures without net radiative loss in the system.

Models that show this trend have to be tweaked to show localized heating that is then conveyed to polar caps which radiate excessive amounts of heat before sending the air back over diluted water.

Except there is no global warming trend. Plain and simple. Weather stations that have been in service in remote areas for the past 60+ years show absolutely no warming trend. The only weather stations that indicate these trends are those that have been consumed by urbanization. Urban areas resemble deserts in their climate - warmer during the day and late afternoon, cooler in the evenings and mornings as energy is radiated more rapidly than among the more water-based forests and grassland.

... that's the process in layman's terms. Hope I explained it alright.

You explained it flawlessly.

The problem is that the conclusion made by the climate change community is physically impossible, and there are far too few true scientists studying the climate these days.

The political and economic machinations have corrupted climate science into a mill for conclusions.

The more true climate scientists exist within those who study how weather systems work as opposed to those who even entertain the notion of climate change. Their job is improving weather prediction.

And they will tell you that any weather forecast greater than about one week out is wishful thinking. It's gotten a lot better over the past several years - but much of that is due to better satellite coverage and imaging detail as it is improvements in our understanding of the global climate.

Put simply - any scientific model that fails to produce accurate predictions is essentially useless.