Madara can cancel Kamui.

[YellowFang]

In case of Kamui...
None can disturb it but can evade it through sheer speed or S/T techs... until proven otherwise

and that might be a week away...

 

[Gerkak]

Kamui isn't physical. The yin-yang release technique can't erase it. Yata mirror is another example, It posseses no physical form. the black chakra can't erase it.

 

[narutoblitz]

obito was also called "god" just because he became juubis jinjuuriki but get defeated by talk no jutsu.
so will madara.

only thing that gonna happend is madara makes a shild of onmyoudon so kakashi cant make eye contact with madaras body.

but just simply cancel.. i dont believe so.

Yeah but Obito was a tool. Madara used him through and through. Madara we saw do some pretty BA stuff even in Edo Tensei form. Now that he's alive again, with Rinnegan, Sage Mode chakra and with the full Juubi plus Kurama chakra... I mean sorry guys it's no contest. Kakashi struggled versus pre-Juubito. He has a hole in his side and Minato is down an arm. It's not even a fight at this point.

Kamui isn't physical. The yin-yang release technique can't erase it. Yata mirror is another example, It posseses no physical form. the black chakra can't erase it.

Naruto chapter 642, pages 2-5, Chapter 316 page 9. It is the basis for Genjutsu, medical ninjutsu and shadow clones. In other words Ying-Yang style creates reality from nothing, or nothing from reality. It doesn't need to be a thing. It is the basis for Izanagi and Izanami, it is literally the power of God to create and destroy matter. Kamui is just the "Authority of the Gods" or "Power of the Gods". It can move through space and time, but the thing is that Ying-Yang jutsu can undo the idea of time or space itself, as we saw Itachi do inside of genjutsu. That's if he was even fast enough or in a condition to catch Madara's speed with this jutsu.

Which he isn't.... Sorry guys, NB is wrong on this one. Kamui is totally able to be canceled. It isn't particle style, it's the power of God.

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Kamui is ninjutsu. Because doujutsu like Amaterasu is also ninjutsu. Why wouldn't it be able to cancel Kamui? The Rinnegan is also an evolved Sharingan... it makes sense, right?

 

[Gerkak]

Naruto chapter 642, pages 2-5, Chapter 316 page 9. It is the basis for Genjutsu, medical ninjutsu and shadow clones. In other words Ying-Yang style creates reality from nothing, or nothing from reality. It doesn't need to be a thing. It is the basis for Izanagi and Izanami, it is literally the power of God to create and destroy matter. Kamui is just the "Authority of the Gods" or "Power of the Gods". It can move through space and time, but the thing is that Ying-Yang jutsu can undo the idea of time or space itself, as we saw Itachi do inside of genjutsu. That's if he was even fast enough or in a condition to catch Madara's speed with this jutsu.

Which he isn't.... Sorry guys, NB is wrong on this one. Kamui is totally able to be canceled. It isn't particle style, it's the power of God.

I see what you mean. But madara has yet to show yin-yang release on that level. That was the six paths power not madara. Until madara shows such feats we can't say he can use yin-yang release like that. From what we know madara can use yin-yang release in 3 ways.

- To create zetsus
- Izanagi
- And The black chakra of the juubi.

All three of these yin-yang release techniques can't Stop kamui.

 

[miromiro]

Or just use Preta Path without being a God. Or Omnyodon while we're at it. Or run out of it's range, current Madara's speed will dodge it.

 

[Draphsin]

This is mere assumption.

Kamui has only been stopped by kamui, nothing suggests that madara can stop such an attack.

Anything that madara uses, even onmyoudon will be transported to another dimension, its like saying FTG doesnt work on him when we've clearly seen it work on obito. [

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[narutoblitz]

I see what you mean. But madara has yet to show yin-yang release on that level. That was the six paths power not madara. Until madara shows such feats we can't say he can use yin-yang release like that. From what we know madara can use yin-yang release in 3 ways.

- To create zetsus
- Izanagi
- And The black chakra of the juubi.

All three of these yin-yang release techniques can't Stop kamui.

Uhm summoning meteors and bringing the moon down and freeing the Juubi shell isn't proof enough for you? He also seemed to do a pretty good job of shirking off Amaterasu the same way Obito did. Madara's form is even more powerful since Hachibi and Kyuubi got absorbed. He can obviously do anything Obito did. Notice in the photo above:

Obito didn't have time to react due to FtG tech. Yet they automatically defended him from the attack. The Juubi chakra protects its user apparently. The TB may very well hate Madara though. Remains to be seen, but my guess is Madara is now immune to ninjutsu. He could cancel Naruto's best Rasengan as an Edo Tensei. Do we really think Kamui cannot be canceled? There's a reason Obito never tried to take those eyes from Nagato while he was alive...

He said it himself, he never once considered Madara his friend.

 

[narutoblitz]

This is mere assumption.

Kamui has only been stopped by kamui, nothing suggests that madara can stop such an attack.

Anything that madara uses, even onmyoudon will be transported to another dimension, its like saying FTG doesnt work on him when we've clearly seen it work on obito. [

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Neither has a physical manifestation, but Kamui requires timing. Notice both Obito and Kakashi were waiting for an opening on the other, that opening was the ten tails manifesting its apparent final form. We saw the ten tails chakra work almost automatically for Obito and stop a few attacks. Even when he didn't have time to react... That attack you cited ultimately failed to stop Obito...

 

[KCMNaruto]

Or just use Preta Path without being a God. Or Omnyodon while we're at it. Or run out of it's range, current Madara's speed will dodge it.

True... but some will stay in dellusion

This is mere assumption.

Kamui has only been stopped by kamui, nothing suggests that madara can stop such an attack.

Anything that madara uses, even onmyoudon will be transported to another dimension, its like saying FTG doesnt work on him when we've clearly seen it work on obito. [

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No... just no here we go again. Onmyoudon nullifies ANY NINJUTSU... Kamui is done for if it is only going to get used.

FTG is special case ... as opponent only has mark of it at himself and for second it is used for FTG user to be transported here.
However Kamui actually takes so time to disort space and time and spins arond wrapping you inside or ripping part of your body.

 

[narutoblitz]

FtG would require Madara to be marked, which he isn't and likely is too fast to be.

 

[Draphsin]

No... just no here we go again. Onmyoudon nullifies ANY NINJUTSU... Kamui is done for if it is only going to get used.

Bullsh*t

Yata nullifies every attack, so yata >>>> onmyoudon?

Guess what? FTG is NINJUTSU. However its a transportation technique

I clearly gave you a scan of the juubi's jinchiiruki being teleported via FTG, this proves that onmyoudon fails to stop the jinchuuriki from getting teleported.

Kamui teleports, like it or not there is nothing that suggests it can be completely nullified like how obito nullified kakashi's kamui.

FTG is special case ... as opponent only has mark of it at himself and for second it is used for FTG user to be transported here.
However Kamui actually takes so time to disort space and time and spins arond wrapping you inside or ripping part of your body.

This is wrong..Kamui has been shown to be almost as fast as FTG, in fact there is no other jutsu faster other than FTG.

The "distortion" means nothing, if madara doesnt have an instant attack then he isnt evading kamui, & if he doesnt have kamui himself then he isnt stopping it from transporting whatever is in its vicinity.

 

[Draphsin]

Neither has a physical manifestation, but Kamui requires timing. Notice both Obito and Kakashi were waiting for an opening on the other, that opening was the ten tails manifesting its apparent final form. We saw the ten tails chakra work almost automatically for Obito and stop a few attacks. Even when he didn't have time to react... That attack you cited ultimately failed to stop Obito...

You missed the point, obito got teleported, this means that madara can also be teleported.

Kamui isnt a normal attack, its not normal ninjutsu, it distorts anything in the physical realm & sends it to the destination.

It doesnt matter if madara is "too fast" or if kamui requires timing, kamui can work on him & he has no answer.

 

[Megatolium]

Madara is sporting Yin and Yang Style that makes all ninjutsu nothing, so yeah you right.

 

[Gerkak]

Bullsh*t

Yata nullifies every attack, so yata >>>> onmyoudon?

Guess what? FTG is NINJUTSU. However its a transportation technique

I clearly gave you a scan of the juubi's jinchiiruki being teleported via FTG, this proves that onmyoudon fails to stop the jinchuuriki from getting teleported.

Kamui teleports, like it or not there is nothing that suggests it can be completely nullified like how obito nullified kakashi's kamui.



This is wrong..Kamui has been shown to be almost as fast as FTG, in fact there is no other jutsu faster other than FTG.

The "distortion" means nothing, if madara doesnt have an instant attack then he isnt evading kamui, & if he doesnt have kamui himself then he isnt stopping it from transporting whatever is in its vicinity.

This ends it

 

[narutoblitz]

NB can go on believing that a half-dead man, a zombie with one arm and a guy bleeding out of his gut can stop the power of a God... All I have to say is wow guys. Tobirama is down and Minato cannot form the seals for FtG anymore due to having one arm. As for Kakashi using Kamui on Madara, we have no reason to believe Madara is slow enough to be caught by it or unable to cancel it. I can't believe we are really having this discussion gentlemen.

 

[Draphsin]

NB can go on believing that a half-dead man, a zombie with one arm and a guy bleeding out of his gut can stop the power of a God... All I have to say is wow guys. Tobirama is down and Minato cannot form the seals for FtG anymore due to having one arm. As for Kakashi using Kamui on Madara, we have no reason to believe Madara is slow enough to be caught by it or unable to cancel it. I can't believe we are really having this discussion gentlemen.

Stop missing the point.......


Kamui, no matter who uses it, cannot be stopped by madara & its that simple unless you give me proof of onmyoudon stopping something from being teleported.

 

[narutoblitz]

What stopped Obito's chakra based energy was senjutsu and natural energy, not the FtG. Let's not forget that. Problem is this. Madara has Sage Mode so he can prolly mix that in to counter senjutsu. Plus Minato never mastered senjutsu and neither did Kakashi... Chakra weapons are gonna take the day here and cancel Kamui. Maybe they destroy the eye first? I guess Kakashi might be spared if Madara feels like it. Or if Obito warps him out.

Stop missing the point.......

Kamui, no matter who uses it, cannot be stopped by madara & its that simple unless you give me proof of onmyoudon stopping something from being teleported.

Because it cancels every other jutsu, and S06P used it to create all of reality and split the ten tails apart. Madara has used Rinnegan to disassemble Naruto's natural energy thing. The difference is Obito had one Rinnegan and sucked at using it. Madara doesn't, and he can easily cancel Kamui.

 

[Waltz]

Ignoratio Elenchi, essentially your route here. It is an unsightly fallacy.

As others have said; it is not a physical manifestation of chakra. Kamui is a curvature in Space and Time rivaling a hypothetical wormhole. To understand Kamui and why it is labelled "Space-Time Ninjutsu" you first need some conceptualization of it's function. Kamui can only be negated by:

1) Itself: an identical but opposite curvature [eg: Obito saving the Mazou's head]
2) Speed which surpasses the warp torque of it's event Horizon [eg: FTG]

The only canonical merit to this issue is the fact that while hosting the Jubi Obito was unable to utilize the technique. Which could only be theoretically deducted at this point as Kamui was originally one of the Jubi's abilities. All the Jutsu rooted within the secondary consequence of the Rin'negan, that is, The Sharingan [ KA, Susano'o, Kamui...ect] sprang forth from the Elder son's Doujutu and was dispersed into the Uchiha after attenuation, who in turn acquired the abilities from Hagoromo - [Kaguya ?] -> Jubi. ​

 

[narutoblitz]

Izanagi affects space and time just fine and was based off Ying-Yang jutsu. I think the parent jutsu can easily disturb space and time considering it creates reality and undoes reality and is the basis for genjutsu itself and medical ninjutsu

 

[narutoblitz]

The ability to undo and create matter renders any concept of Euclidean space, time or geometry absolutely meaningless... It defies physics precisely because it is the power of a God to create and destroy energy and matter -- even time itself -- without penalty.

We saw Itachi create and bend time within genjutsu. Unless we perceive that it was the perception of time which was bent. Time is not a thing. And I think Kakashi really lacks the ability to concentrate or focus enough to catch Madara off-guard as they caught Obito.... Granted, I bet some PnJ asspull gives him that time. Madara will counter Kamui somehow, even if it isn't canceled outright. Perhaps with a clone? In any case Kakashi stands no chance

Or hey let's say you're right and Madara cannot counter it. The Zetsu clone will just force Obito to counter it. I mean really, I can't believe NB actually believes Madara will get taken down by Kakashi. Unbelievable fanboy wankfest going on here