[VS] Obito vs Tobirama

[Tobby17]

Ya he has already marked Kunai's and still requested Minato to let him use Minato's Kunai insted of spamming his own Kunai's,right?

exactly you answered your own question, wouldn't it be stupid to 'spam' his own Kunai if there's already kunais there to be used?.. plus datz a way of making both him and Minato useful

 

[Avinash012]

not gonna happen?

Tobirama ain't getting enough time to pull that feat even if we assume that he marked the Kunai he is holding.

exactly you answered your own question, wouldn't it be stupid to 'spam' his own Kunai if there's already kunais there to be used?.. plus datz a way of making both him and Minato useful

No it's not as using his own marking would be better than using Minato's kunai.

 

[Sendai Aka No Ou]

Ya he has already marked Kunai's and still requested Minato to let him use Minato's Kunai insted of spamming his own Kunai's,right?

Do you want a serious answer to that?

So lets say he pulls out his sword during a fight, as soon as he touches his sword it's marked. How long did that take Tobirama? Just a second right, same applies with Kunai's. It's not like he wastes anytime doing it this way, whether he does it before or during the fight; he's still gonna have to touch the weapon.

Maybe back in his day the sword was the only weapon he had marked, maybe because that's all we needed. Again we do not know for sure.

But I'm not going to pretend that he has hundreds of marked Kunai already prepped and waiting, or that he is carrying over 20 marked Kunai in his pouch. Because the fact is that there is no evidence of this, so there's no use in speculating. From what I've seen, the manga suggests that he doesn't.

You can't think Kishi made Tobirama and Minato exactly the same. He has to keep some differences to differentiate between the two.

I'm just hearing maybes here lad, when Tobirama picks up his kunai or other assorted tool to put it in his 'lil ninja pack there's nothing stopping him from marking it right there. I think it's akin to grasping at straws to suggest he doesn't or wouldn't. Neither side is backed by the manga but my argument has logic, wherein yours does not.

What would really be cool is if he had the same type of scroll Hashirama had so he could summon all his marked weapons like Hashirama did at VOTE. That'd be awesome.

No he doesn't. That's why Minato is a boring character as he's 99% Tobirama. Tobirama may as well be his old man.

 

[Avinash012]

Do you want a serious answer to that?

Yes.

@Tobby: Tobirama didn't use already spammed Kunai of Minato.

Look at this scan

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There is no Kunai in the middle panel but u can see a Kunai in bottom panel which means that the Kunai was sent by Tobirama.

 

[Sendai Aka No Ou]

^because the kunai were already there. Why would Tobirama need them otherwise? The kunai wasn't sent anywhere, it's a different location.

 

[Avinash012]

^because the kunai were already there. Why would Tobirama need them otherwise? The kunai wasn't sent anywhere, it's a different location.

Minato only placed 3 Kunai's around Juubi which means that there aren't many Kunai's to defend everyone so he would have spammed his own Kunai as he need to cover much bigger area and using his own marking would be better than using Minato's marking for Tobirama and No it was the same location,Tobirama get rid of those wood dragon like things,look at the ?'s on those fodder shinobi's face.

 

[Sendai Aka No Ou]

20 kunai take away 3 kunai equals.... Not enough to save everyone else? Right. Because we never saw him do it, doesn't mean he didn't. You can even see in the third scan that the wood dragon crashed into the ground. Do you think Tobirama would wait until that point to teleport it? No; as they would be dead by then.

I suppose if that's the best you can do then this discussion's over.

 

[Tobby17]

Tobirama ain't getting enough time to pull that feat even if we assume that he marked the Kunai he is holding.

how is he not??.. Kamui warping is not instant.

 

[Avinash012]

20 kunai take away 3 kunai equals....

What do u mean by this?

Not enough to save everyone else? Right. Because we never saw him do it, doesn't mean he didn't. You can even see in the third scan that the wood dragon crashed into the ground. Do you think Tobirama would wait until that point to teleport it? No; as they would be dead by then. I suppose if that's the best you can do then this discussion's over.

Look at the smoke behind the Kunai in bottom right panel,it was the result of that crush and no,no one died there, Tobirama saved those fodders from dragons that's why their faces are like WTF did just happend?

how is he not??.. Kamui warping is not instant.

Tobirama leaving the Kunai when almost 3/4th of his body is b/w Kamui and real world and teleporting to the same Kunai is also not instant.

 

[Tobby17]

Tobirama leaving the Kunai when almost 3/4th of his body is b/w Kamui and real world and teleporting to the same Kunai is also not instant.

I'm thinking if will fall off his hand immediately he starts getting ''kamuied''. btw all these things we've been arguing back and forth have simply been possible hypothetical situations.. What's to say Tobirama won't simply jump away if he senses Obito presence behind him and then make 3 clones to go test out Obito??



Oh and he saved those guys by FTG'ing them away from where the Wood dragon was to another Kunai mark somewhere safe

 

[Avinash012]

I'm thinking if will fall off his hand immediately he starts getting ''kamuied''. btw all these things we've been arguing back and forth have simply been possible hypothetical situations.. What's to say Tobirama won't simply jump away if he senses Obito presence behind him and then make 3 clones to go test out Obito??

Tobirama trying to kill him is a better argument than Tobirama running away as Tobirama thinks that Obito can't dodge his attack since he has no intel on Obito and Ur point also possible.

Oh and he saved those guys by FTG'ing them away from where the Wood dragon was to another Kunai mark somewhere safe

Yes,but it was not a different location as we can see the smoke from that crush right behind the Kunai as well as those fodders.

 

[KingHashirama]

IF Minato can fodderize Obito... I don't see why there is an argument that Tobirama can't...

 

[Tobby17]

Tobirama trying to kill him is a better argument than Tobirama running away as Tobirama thinks that Obito can't dodge his attack since he has no intel on Obito and Ur point also possible.


Yes,but it was not a different location as we can see the smoke from that crush right behind the Kunai as well as those fodders.

well Madara did refer to Tobirama as a shrewd guy that waited till his enemy let his guard down b4 attacking, so I guess he could as well run away and try to evaluate Obito first then wait for the perfect time to strike..

 

[Avinash012]

well Madara did refer to Tobirama as a shrewd guy that waited till his enemy let his guard down b4 attacking, so I guess he could as well run away and try to evaluate Obito first then wait for the perfect time to strike..

Ya it is also possible*_*

 

[Draphsin]

Trust me, you're overrating Kamui's speed.

Oh this forum, never ceases to amaze me...

Still not getting your point. Are you trying to say that Tobirama's reflexes - arguably the best in the manga, are somehow not going to keep up with attacks that Minato did?

This statement more than shows me what you think.

Tobirama escaping obito's initial kamui warp is more than hilarity..

Btw you just put tobirama's reflexes above that of minato [with FTG] & Ay, minato couldn't even escape without the aid of a prior seal [which tobirama will not have placed without info], advocating for tobirama without looking like a fanboy is impossible here..

 

[Sendai Aka No Ou]

Oh this forum, never ceases to amaze me...



This statement more than shows me what you think.

Tobirama escaping obito's initial kamui warp is more than hilarity..

Btw you just put tobirama's reflexes above that of minato [with FTG] & Ay, minato couldn't even escape without the aid of a prior seal [which tobirama will not have placed without info], advocating for tobirama without looking like a fanboy is impossible here..

You fail to understand the irony of your post. You've hyped Obito's Kamui to be leaps and bounds faster than it is, and refuse to acknowledge any argument I've put forward. Not really worth my time in that case.

I think your argument truly began to suffer when you said Tobirama wouldn't have time to make Kage Bushin.

 

[KidGamer65]

no he isn't :|.. Madara kind of implied that he waits for his opponent to think he has won before striking unexpectedly, just like what Hashi did to Madara.. So I'm thinking Tobirama uses shadow clones for this purpose, seeing as he did create it

How does that not make him an up close and personal fighter?

The thing is, is he going to use a Shadow Clone to start? If he doesn't or if he doesn't throw a marked Kunai somewhere, he would get warped away.

Give him intel on Kamui and he'd shit on Obito, but without he'll get warped not expecting what happened.

 

[Tobby17]

How does that not make him an up close and personal fighter?

The thing is, is he going to use a Shadow Clone to start? If he doesn't or if he doesn't throw a marked Kunai somewhere, he would get warped away.

Give him intel on Kamui and he'd shit on Obito, but without he'll get warped not expecting what happened.

well nothing implies that he won't start with a shadow clone. I mean he did create the damn justu for a reason

 

[KidGamer65]

well nothing implies that he won't start with a shadow clone. I mean he did create the damn justu for a reason

Nothing implies that he will. Creating the jutsu doesn't mean he'll start off with it every fight.

 

[Tobby17]

Nothing implies that he will. Creating the jutsu doesn't mean he'll start off with it every fight.

I don't think I have to argue that Tobirama will use a justu he CREATED. I mean he did start off with a Kage bushin against Obito