[VS] Obito vs Tobirama

[Gold Lightning]

All my arguments are via smartphone. I know, trust me.

Except I have an Sony xperia which has this bizarre issue of the on screen keyboards disappearing randomly while typing and can take minutes before it decides to come back. By the time it doesit does decide to return I can never be bothered anymore.

 

[KidGamer65]

The only way Tobirama wins this is if he, for some odd reason, makes a clone before Obito warps him. Which is highly unlikely. Considering the fact that Tobirama is more of a up close and personal fighter, he gets warped.

 

[Tobby17]

The only way Tobirama wins this is if he, for some odd reason, makes a clone before Obito warps him. Which is highly unlikely. Considering the fact that Tobirama is more of a up close and personal fighter, he gets warped.

no he isn't :|.. Madara kind of implied that he waits for his opponent to think he has won before striking unexpectedly, just like what Hashi did to Madara.. So I'm thinking Tobirama uses shadow clones for this purpose, seeing as he did create it

 

[Ababeel]

obito > Tobirama.

Even IF we assume that Tobirama will use the same thing Minato did, he won't be able to do what Minato did.
Because the Rassengan does not really use any hand seal, so it's just perfect for that and very effective. However, Tobirama's jutsus
do need hand seals, and that will give obito even more time. The same thing with attacking via FTG, as we saw against madara, when
Tobirama want to attack there is a small window to react, now, I don't care whether that because of his FTG being slower, or because his shunshin is slower, named it whatever you want, it still is there. Minato stated that who's faster than the other even by a second is
going to win, and since Tobirama is slower as he admitted (I don't care by a second or more) then he won't be fast enough to strike and thus, he will lose.

 

[Touken]

obito > Tobirama.

Even IF we assume that Tobirama will use the same thing Minato did, he won't be able to do what Minato did.
Because the Rassengan does not really use any hand seal, so it's just perfect for that and very effective. However, Tobirama's jutsus
do need hand seals, and that will give obito even more time. The same thing with attacking via FTG, as we saw against madara, when
Tobirama want to attack there is a small window to react, now, I don't care whether that because of his FTG being slower, or because his shunshin is slower, named it whatever you want, it still is there. Minato stated that who's faster than the other even by a second is
going to win, and since Tobirama is slower as he admitted (I don't care by a second or more) then he won't be fast enough to strike and thus, he will lose.

Urgh, I've already explained this before.

If Tobirama

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then he would have instantly healed. He knew he had Hashirama's healing and Minato's attack wasn't even able to kill a very weakened Obito.

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you can clearly tell he was lunging for his heart. A simple slash wouldn't have killed Madara, Tobirama had to fully pierce him in any of his vital organs.

 

[Ababeel]

Urgh, I've already explained this before.

If Tobirama

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then he would have instantly healed. He knew he had Hashirama's healing and Minato's attack wasn't even able to kill a very weakened Obito.

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you can clearly tell he was lunging for his heart. A simple slash wouldn't have killed Madara, Tobirama had to fully pierce him in any of his vital organs.

Sorry, I did not read the posts in this thread. ~.~

As for your explanation, it does not make much sense to me honestly. ~.~
because Tobirama seemed to me that he want to strike and actually land a hit.

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here as well, he just tried to do so, and if he can do what Minato did, he would have cut Madara's head off in that page.
It does not matter if madara can heal himself in that case because he would have been killed no matter what, so why tobirama
didn't do it?

 

[Fresco]

There's nothing that puts Minato above Tobirama, who is much more versatile (superior usage of Kage Bunshin, Suiton, on par reaction and speed feats, and more knowledgeable and intelligent) Minato having superior and more versatile FTG? No, since Tobirama has been shown to use marked kunai in battle, and things like S/T barrier would have no usage in this fight. I would certainly argue that Obito defeats Minato, but he won't defeat Tobirama. Plus Wolf-Dolphin Sage Mode, which greatly increases Tobirama's Suiton (large scale attacks) and Sensing abilities

Also, Tobirama probably has knowledge on Izanagi.

 

[Touken]

Sorry, I did not read the posts in this thread. ~.~

It's cool. It wasn't on this thread, I explained it on other threads.

As for your explanation, it does not make much sense to me honestly. ~.~
because Tobirama seemed to me that he want to strike and actually land a hit.

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here as well, he just tried to do so, and if he can do what Minato did, he would have cut Madara's head off in that page.
It does not matter if madara can heal himself in that case because he would have been killed no matter what, so why tobirama
didn't do it?

He still needs some kind of leverage to fully decapitate someone's head, a simple slash wouldn't be able to do that with just a kunai. He'd need a sword at least. If he did try to do that, at best it'd cut his jugular vein and cause him to bleed out in about a minute, but he'd just heal instantly. To kill Hashirama/Tsunade/Madara, it has to be a one-shot kill. Anything else gives them time to heal.

 

[Penguin]

Plus Wolf-Dolphin Sage Mode, which greatly increases Tobirama's Suiton (large scale attacks) and Sensing abilities.

No truer words have been uttered on this site.

 

[BlacLord™]

Tobirama - he's the perfect counter for MS Obito with FTG, Goujou Kibakufuda, blade skills and sharp shooting Suidanha.

 

[Avinash012]

That could be true since unlike Minato he doesn't have kunai laying around to teleport to. But you have to take into consideration that Tobirama has sensing abilities.

Let us see what'll happen

Tobirama senses that Obito is standing behind him(the same way Minato sensed/tracked Obito's presence back then) and attacks Obito with his Kunai or sword (the same way Minato attacked Obito during their battle) and realizes that his attack has no effect on Obito and Obito grabs Tobirama's hands(once again it is same as what Obito did in case of Minato), and this time unlike Minato who escaped Kamui thanks to his quick thinking,reaction time and advanced markings ,Tobirama'll be inside Kamui.

Inorder to counter Kamui

Tobirama should quickly realize that he is being sucked.
Should come up with the idea of using FTG in that sittuation without thinking about anything else.
Should be able to react/execute FTG as fast as Minato.
Last but not the least he must place a marking somewhere even b4 the battle starts.

 

[Tobby17]

Let us see what'll happen

Tobirama senses that Obito is standing behind him(the same way Minato sensed/tracked Obito's presence back then) and attacks Obito with his Kunai or sword (the same way Minato attacked Obito during their battle) and realizes that his attack has no effect on Obito and Obito grabs Tobirama's hands(once again it is same as what Obito did in case of Minato), and this time unlike Minato who escaped Kamui thanks to his quick thinking,reaction time and advanced markings ,Tobirama'll be inside Kamui.

Inorder to counter Kamui

Tobirama should quickly realize that he is being sucked.
Should come up with the idea of using FTG in that sittuation without thinking about anything else.
Should be able to react/execute FTG as fast as Minato.
Last but not the least he must place a marking somewhere even b4 the battle starts.

or while Tobirama is being sucked in Kamui, his ftg is shown on the kunai he's holding which falls off his hand while he's been sucked in, and Tobirama teleports to the falling Kunai

 

[Avinash012]

or while Tobirama is being sucked in Kamui, his ftg is shown on the kunai he's holding which falls off his hand while he's been sucked in, and Tobirama teleports to the falling Kunai

Since when does Tobirama carrying marked Kunai's?

& Do u really think Obito can't warp Tobirama b4 he can pull that feat?

 

[Tobby17]

Since when does Tobirama carrying marked Kunai's?

& Do u really think Obito can't warp Tobirama b4 he can pull that feat?

eh?.. you said there's a Kunai on his hand no??.. so he used a marked Kunai on Madara, and apparently a marked sward on Izuna (seeing as they're both the same justu).. It's obvious he marks his weapons

 

[Avinash012]

eh?.. you said there's a Kunai on his hand no??.. so he used a marked Kunai on Madara, and apparently a marked sward on Izuna (seeing as they're both the same justu).. It's obvious he marks his weapons

Did I said he can't mark objects?

Iam asking u to show me the proofs of Tobirama carrying the marked Kunai's in advance or atleast show me the scans of Tobi holding a Kunai at the beginning of the battle like Minato.

Edit: Ok,now I get it & No,it ain't gonna happen,Obito drags him in even b4 Tobirama can leave the Kunai.

 

[Gold Lightning]

I'm pretty sure Tobirama just marks his kunai when he needs them during battle. There's no proof that they are prepped.

 

[Sendai Aka No Ou]

There's no proof they're made during battle either. Why would Tobirama wait until mid-fight to mark anything? That's a rather silly argument considering he's fought with a marked sword.

 

[Gold Lightning]

There's no proof they're made during battle either. Why would Tobirama wait until mid-fight to mark anything? That's a rather silly argument considering he's fought with a marked sword.

So lets say he pulls out his sword during a fight, as soon as he touches his sword it's marked. How long did that take Tobirama? Just a second right, same applies with Kunai's. It's not like he wastes anytime doing it this way, whether he does it before or during the fight; he's still gonna have to touch the weapon.

Maybe back in his day the sword was the only weapon he had marked, maybe because that's all we needed. Again we do not know for sure.

But I'm not going to pretend that he has hundreds of marked Kunai already prepped and waiting, or that he is carrying over 20 marked Kunai in his pouch. Because the fact is that there is no evidence of this, so there's no use in speculating. From what I've seen, the manga suggests that he doesn't.

You can't think Kishi made Tobirama and Minato exactly the same. He has to keep some differences to differentiate between the two.

 

[Avinash012]

There's no proof they're made during battle either. Why would Tobirama wait until mid-fight to mark anything? That's a rather silly argument considering he's fought with a marked sword.

Ya he has already marked Kunai's and still requested Minato to let him use Minato's Kunai insted of spamming his own Kunai's,right?

 

[Tobby17]

Did I said he can't mark objects?

Iam asking u to show me the proofs of Tobirama carrying the marked Kunai's in advance or atleast show me the scans of Tobi holding a Kunai at the beginning of the battle like Minato.

Edit: Ok,now I get it & No,it ain't gonna happen,Obito drags him in even b4 Tobirama can leave the Kunai.

not gonna happen?