You gotta admit, this was pretty awesome!

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I was excited when I saw that.

I wonder why Hiruzen didn't counter the attacks with the opposite elements though...

Idk either but I prefer this way better because it shows he can stalemate the statue's jutsu with the same element. If he used jutsu that was the weakness of those elemental jutsu people will say they hiruzen's jutsu was weak so he had to counter with the weakeness of those elemental jutsu.
 

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Classic 8 year old response.



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Tobirama at less than half power, was able to impress the Anbu and orochimaru with his sution:
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Tobirama close to his full power is overwhelming:

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Just look at hashirama fully powered :

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compared to him less than half powered:

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Yet Hiruzen who was revived at old age(who has less chakra reserves than his youth) at almost full strength at his old age still has better Suiton than Tobirama.
 

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Hiruzen>Tsunade
You should've seen how useless you slug princess was in the last chapter. At least Hiruzen helped.

Skipped everything I said and went for the sig. Nice. As if i would have to go into why Tsunade beats him with you. I may take you on if hiruzen justifies his hype... oh wait.

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Tsunade has done way more than hiruzen has time to catch up and do in this war, what he did is the least he could have done. Deal with it~
 
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The thing is, Tobirama being the best suiton user in the manga is HYPE. Yet his fans believe that.

They apply the double standard to Hiruzen, saying his hype doesn't apply. Da fuq?

But yeah, just saying.

Incorrect Hype. It was never stated.
 

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I just knew that you were going to have that image in this thread lol I'm either psychic or your very predictable. The colour really makes it look awesome e though. Hiruzen ftw and fodder by next week 50/50 I get the feeling madara will approach from the back to catch hiruzen by surprise
 

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Yet Hiruzen who was revived at old age(who has less chakra reserves than his youth) at almost full strength at his old age still has better Suiton than Tobirama.

Hiruzen is actually basically at his prime being an edo.

Being old, he lacked Stamina, Now hes undying, Unlimited chakra with an Immortal body, He's basically in his prime right now.
 

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Skipped everything I said and went for the sig. Nice. As if i would have to go into why Tsunade beats him with you. I may take you on if hiruzen justifies his hype... oh wait.

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It's funny to thing that she could not even kill Orochimaru who had no arms during their fight.
 

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Classic 8 year old response.



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Tobirama at less than half power, was able to impress the Anbu and orochimaru with his sution:
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Tobirama close to his full power is overwhelming:

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Funny. All you care about are face value feats, yes?

That Suiton is smaller than Hiruzen's. Using hater logic, it's therefore weaker than Hiruzen's.

I can also provide the Databook scans that express Hiruzen as the God of Shinobi and manga scans that he was the strongest Hokage. By hater logic, that Databook scan doesn't prove jack squat about his fabled Suiton capability.

Cool, that was a suiton feat when he was weaker. But where's his full power version? Where's this Suiton that supposedly makes him the best?

Oh, it cut a few Shinju branches, as it ? Cool.

So two water techniques suddenly make him the best Suiton user BY FEATS? Nah, I'll use hater logic and say he doesn't surpass Kisame or Mei.

Using hater logic, I won't allow his Suiton Hype to be applied. As per FEATS, he loses out to Kisame and Mei. Still applying hater logic.

You didn't rest on anyone's cases, Lol
 

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Hiruzen is actually basically at his prime being an edo.

Being old, he lacked Stamina, Now hes undying, Unlimited chakra with an Immortal body, He's basically in his prime right now.

His reserves are still not as large as they once were. Meaning the number of shadow clones and possible combo-assaults he could perform are still limited. He just doesn't have to worry about losing the chakra he has
 

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Hiruzen is actually basically at his prime being an edo.

Being old, he lacked Stamina, Now hes undying, Unlimited chakra with an Immortal body, He's basically in his prime right now.

No he's not. He was revived with the same Chakra reserves that he had during his old age. It will only refill up that far. Edo's can run out of Chakra too. In Hiruzen's case, he's Chakra only refills up to what he had during old age and he still shows better Suiton than Tobirama.
 

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Oh, sweet merciful Jesus another juicy thread~ I just got home to see the base started to pick up? Nice~ *le opens nacho bag*​
 

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Larger suiton doesn't equal better.

Tobirama's suiton that was used to cut the Shinju's branches was more impressive than Hiruzen's. Mainly because, the most we could expect from Hiruzen's is to throw an enemy and on coming attack back. No real damage done.

Whereas Tobirama's is a short ranged but rather lethal technique with minimal preparation time.
 

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No he's not. He was revived with the same Chakra reserves that he had during his old age. It will only refill up that far. Edo's can run out of Chakra too. In Hiruzen's case, he's Chakra only refills up to what he had during old age and he still shows better Suiton than Tobirama.

Yes i know that, But His chakra refills, and he has an undying body that is immortal making movement easier.

Hes basically in his prime as an edo.
 

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Dude plus rep....this I have to agree with 1,000%

This is what fapboys of their characters don't think about at all...they swear they have the upper hand because they got some bs OP hack Sh!t.

Minato, Asuma, Lee (well...he worked the hardest out of everyone in the series to be honest), Guy, The Third....yo get the point...they don't have speical bs that helps them, its them, their chakra, their jutsu, and their learning.

Minato > Naruto anyways but this is why he truly > Naruto overall imo.

Agreed. Don't forget Jiraiya. :)
 

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Hiruzen is actually basically at his prime being an edo.

Being old, he lacked Stamina, Now hes undying, Unlimited chakra with an Immortal body, He's basically in his prime right now.
Nope he's revived as old hiruzen not prime hiruzen, his reserves is smaller than when he was in his prime.
 

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It's funny to thing that she could not even kill Orochimaru who had no arms during their fight.

No one was going all out during that fight. They were playing like they did in their training days. Compare Jiraiya in that fight to when he fought Pain.
 

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Yes i know that, But His chakra refills, and he has an undying body that is immortal making movement easier.

Hes basically in his prime as an edo.

No he's not. If his Chakra could refill to the point of where his youth was, then it would be his prime. This is still Old Hiruzen with just refillable Chakra.
 

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but according to studies at cambridge university Hiruzen is a fodder
 

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It's funny to thing that she could not even kill Orochimaru who had no arms during their fight.

That guy ran for the hills from her and all it took was one punch when she got serious, unless you have proof he would have won if he didnt run away. I'll leave you to adore your scan now.
 
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