tobirama has faster reactions based on feats. thats indisputable. hiraishin is constantly referred to as the body flicker technique. minato is stated to be better at using it than tobirama, but the speed is the same.
Just as you think SM did not increase Madara's sensing ability and reaction? :yeah:
Hokage takes this, but I don't care for them much to even fend them U_U.
But I do want to point out one thing is that Sussanoo users are vulnerable to concussive damage(Shown countless times, yes countless), which temporarily deactivates Sussanoo.
I can't remember any other Shunshin feats Madara had. Anyway, it can be argued that the Sage Mode didn't affect Madara's physical abilities. I for one think its a possibility it affected his Mokuton abilities.
-No kind of difference when he used Susanoo, same size and everything. No noticeable difference in power.
-Sasuke's unenhanced blade was able to pierce him like butter, that shouldn't have happened if his body got the durability buff.
-Its also odd how the Sage markings appeared on the Hashirama face on Madara's chest and not on Madara's face himself, this is the main reason why I think his body wasn't enhanced by Sage Mode.
I could be wrong though and Susanoo did get a massive buff, and its always possible that Sasuke's sword is just that sharp, and its possible that the markings being on the Hashirama face on his chest has no significance.
minato simply remembered obito from when he was a kid. saying he was emotional is a poor, exaggerated excuse.
tobirama has faster reactions based on feats. thats indisputable. hiraishin is constantly referred to as the body flicker technique. minato is stated to be better at using it than tobirama, but the speed is the same.
hashiramas sage mode has only manifested itself as a healing factor for madara. by feats, you cant validate it manifesting itself as anything else.
the same person that marked juubito(even though he "died" in the process), couldnt mark madara. make of that what you will.
Madara swings his blade and they all die, Tobirama's Suiton and Rasengan aren't going to do anything, whether they are pumped with Tsunade's chakra or not.
I was discussing Hashirama vs these 4 with MickNerks, and he said that Hashirama can't win as he beat EMS Madara with high diff. Then I said EMS Madara would slaughter these 4 with or without Kurama, he said he'd be willing to ask the rest of the base what they thought, so I told him I'd make the thread.
Any version besides Perfect Susanoo isn't going to be a challenge for the Hokages and if he ressorts to this(even if he doesn't anyway), they would outlast him since he is never going to hit them. As a last ressort, they could even use RDS to seal the deal. I don't see Madara winning
he performed no differently blind with and without senjutsu. nothing in the manga implies that madara sensing things means that it comes from sm. that is nonsense.
he performed no differently blind with and without senjutsu. nothing in the manga implies that madara sensing things means that it comes from sm. that is nonsense.
lol sure it will, even though when a hiraishin user has teleported a susano user, susano has never been separated from them.
What do you mean nothing implies he clearly said he sensed sasukes sharingan type. And his only good dodging feats happened to be when he got sm. Dodging sasukes attacks and tobirama's blitz.
Even as an Edo his first defense was always ribcage susanno or blocking. The only times he even showed sensing was when he sensed hashi's chakra with rinnegan and and when he got sm.
Saying perfect sm only grants you one of the abilities perfect sm grants you is foolish. Everyone who has perfect sm demonstrated enhanced speed, enhanced strength, danger sensing, and mild healing. Kabuto, naruto and hashi. Why maddy would be different is beyond me.
Now burden of proof is on you.
When tobirama and minato showcased the technique the chakra orbs that surrounded obito (much like how susanno surrounds the user) was teleported away from him. It would work the same since that's what the technique does.
Susanno is chakra based. Once the prerequisites for ftg have been met the user can teleport whatever falls within said prerequisites. Ex: minato teleporting kurama(chakra based like susanno) and not bunta.
there is no correlation. madara was always capable of doing these things.
Even as an Edo his first defense was always ribcage susanno or blocking. The only times he even showed sensing was when he sensed hashi's chakra with rinnegan and and when he got sm.
what the hell is this? he sensed hashiramas chakra with the rinnegan? please stop stating things that you have no way of proving with tangible panel.
Saying perfect sm only grants you one of the abilities perfect sm grants you is foolish. Everyone who has perfect sm demonstrated enhanced speed, enhanced strength, danger sensing, and mild healing. Kabuto, naruto and hashi. Why maddy would be different is beyond me.
When tobirama and minato showcased the technique the chakra orbs that surrounded obito (much like how susanno surrounds the user) was teleported away from him. It would work the same since that's what the technique does.
Susanno is chakra based. Once the prerequisites for ftg have been met the user can teleport whatever falls within said prerequisites. Ex: minato teleporting kurama(chakra based like susanno) and not bunta.
Oh you mean how the susanno wasn't there upon reappearing but a piece of the susanno was left behind?
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Or how it clearly says he can jump what ever him or his chakra is touching? And even make distinctions on what he wants to jump:
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And where he wants to jump it:
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Or the fact that the chakra orbs that surround obito function the same a susanno would surround its user?
Both being made out of chakra and controlled by the user yet having no contact with the user?
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Or the fact that its already cannon that you can seperate the user from their susanno?
you cant prove that the rinnegan has anything to do with his sensing. is madaras legged susano also a product of the rinnegan? you're trying a bit too hard to wank the rinnegan.
False.
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A near instant frontalattack that has tell tail signs(blinding light) and the best he can is put up a guard. not even a ribcage susanno
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A near instant sneak attack with no preemptive warning yet not only does he sense it from behind he flat out dodges it.
no, itachi flat out states that nagato is a sensor. he never even says the word rinnegan in any panel that you posted. not only can you not even debate competently, but you also lie to invent your points. fantastic.
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Yet ems madara never once said anything about sensing.
ridiculous. the only thing that madara even mentioned was hashiramas healing. he said nothing about increased durability or sensing.
if he had sm sensing then kurama wouldnt have sneaked up on him from behind.
Oh you mean how the susanno wasn't there upon reappearing but a piece of the susanno was left behind?
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Or how it clearly says he can jump what ever him or his chakra is touching? And even make distinctions on what he wants to jump:
the piece of susano left behind was a flare that separated itself from the main construct. whether you saw susano upon reappearance is irrelevant. i only need to prove that it was warped along with the user which it was.
if it wasnt, then the entire skeleton wouldve been left behind.
Or the fact that the chakra orbs that surround obito function the same a susanno would surround its user?
Both being made out of chakra and controlled by the user yet having no contact with the user?
i already know that the user can be separated from susano if something gets inside and pulls them out. how is this relevant?
hiraishin canonically didnt separate susano from its user.
I gave you scans of both him and madara using the rinnegan to sense. Itachi states nagato sensed him. Nagato wasn't a sensory type before getting the rinnegan, and all of his sensing feats came after acquiring it. Same goes for maddy. You don't want to admit it.
is madaras legged susano also a product of the rinnegan? you're trying a bit too hard to wank the rinnegan.
being in midair doesn't inhibit ones ability to dodge. Early ms sasuke did it against bee, kakashi did it against the immortal duo. My argument is sound. He just couldn't react fast enough.
no, itachi flat out states that nagato is a sensor. he never even says the word rinnegan in any panel that you posted.
susanno isn't connected to the user. Whether it be a flare or the whole thing. It doesn't matter. The fact that the flare got left behind even though its connected to sasuke's chakra should be proof enough.
whether you saw susano upon reappearance is irrelevant. i only need to prove that it was warped along with the user which it was.
Sasukes susanno warping with him doesn't disprove minato's or tobirama's ability to choose what they want to warp, and where they want to warp it. Idk how you reached that conclusion given the two laws that govern ftg.
if it wasnt, then the entire skeleton wouldve been left behind.
I gave you scans of both him and madara using the rinnegan to sense. Itachi states nagato sensed him. Nagato wasn't a sensory type before getting the rinnegan, and all of his sensing feats came after acquiring it. Same goes for maddy. You don't want to admit it.
he only showed it after he obtained the rinnegan so how would it be justified that he had it since his ems days using your logic?
being in midair doesn't inhibit ones ability to dodge. Early ms sasuke did it against bee, kakashi did it against the immortal duo. My argument is sound. He just couldn't react fast enough.
stated? a legged susano has shown absolutely no problems with mobility.
susanno isn't connected to the user. Whether it be a flare or the whole thing. It doesn't matter. The fact that the flare got left behind even though its connected to sasuke's chakra should be proof enough.
absolutely retarded. why would the flare be teleported if its no longer a part of his susano. when minato used hiraishin, sasuke and his susano disappeared.
Sasukes susanno warping with him doesn't disprove minato's or tobirama's ability to choose what they want to warp, and where they want to warp it. Idk how you reached that conclusion given the two laws that govern ftg.
this doesnt disprove my point at all. susano is connected to its user hence it was warped. the flare separated from the main construct hence it wasnt warped.
If you know the user can be separated from its user why are you arguing against ftg's ability to do it.
