EMS Madara vs Hokage

[Bogard]

Hashirama never dodged it.

Not only is RDS a last maneuver, if Madara kills him with PS before he ever uses RDS, it won't matter.

We see PS's slash trying to strike Hashirama here [

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], yet his golem was capable to block the slash(even better than dodging) [

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]. On the same previous manga page, he tried to strike with his second sword, and we see Hashirama dodged the attack [

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More than that actually, Hashirama started to run away from Madara, escaping from his sight [

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] and Madara seemed unable to stop him despite the speed/strength of the PS's slash that you hype so much at his disposal, to the point he ressorted to long range PS's slash Bijudama in hoping to hit him [

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], something he still managed to outmanoeuver with a barrier [

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So no i don't think PS can finish the Hokages especially not speedsters like Minato or Tobirama

I also know RDS is a last ressort, but if they feel they can't defeat him otherwise, i don't see why they won't use it

There is also the Hokage barrier they can use if they want to restrict Madara in a small place. Tobirama can divide his chakra in 3 while making the barrier like we've seen in the manga. So one of the clone can easily replace Hashirama. Even Jubi's Bijuudama couldn't destroy it and Madara(let alone EMS) is nowhere near Jubi in terms of fire power. After blocking Madara like that, they find a way to finish him off slowly

 

[KidGamer65]

Touken, I'll probably reply to the size issue tomorrow.

We see PS's slash trying to strike Hashirama here [

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], yet his golem was capable to block the slash(even better than dodging) [

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]. On the same previous manga page, he tried to strike with his second sword, and we see Hashirama dodged the attack [

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]

More than that actually, Hashirama started to run away from Madara, escaping from his sight [

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] and Madara seemed unable to stop him despite the speed/strength of the PS's slash that you hype so much at his disposal, to the point he ressorted to long range PS's slash Bijudama in hoping to hit him [

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], something he still managed to outmanoeuver with a barrier [

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]

So no i don't think PS can finish the Hokages especially not speedsters like Minato or Tobirama

I also know RDS is a last ressort, but if they feel they can't defeat him otherwise, i don't see why they won't use it

There is also the Hokage barrier they can use if they want to restrict Madara in a small place. Tobirama can divide his chakra in 3 while making the barrier like we've seen in the manga. So one of the clone can easily replace Hashirama. Even Jubi's Bijuudama couldn't destroy it and Madara(let alone EMS) is nowhere near Jubi in terms of fire power. After blocking Madara like that, they find a way to finish him off slowly

You have a point there, I guess RDS would finish this match. Though I don't see the Hokage barrier being a real factor here, but it doesn't matter.

 

[adeshina365]

Maybe my eye sight is declining, but where in that page does Hashirama dodge a PS sword strike? All we see is Hashirama stumble and run away...

 

[KidGamer65]

Maybe my eye sight is declining, but where in that page does Hashirama dodge a PS sword strike? All we see is Hashirama stumble and run away...

Middle panel on the left, we see the dirt and dust kick up from PS swinging its blade and Hashirama is intact, so I guess he dodged it.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

It really depends whether he will start with PS, but assuming he is, Hokage still have a high chance. You're really underrestimating Hokage dude.

In case you forgot, the Susano'o can still be melted [

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]. Since Tsunade is a Hokage, with the assist of Tobirama, she can generate more chakra and summon a bigger Katsuyu. Although not the size of PS of course, it can at least weaken the legs giving him inbalance to swing his sword as he wishes.

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Also, saying that he uses Susano'o clones can't be really backed up. As far as I know, he's used only Mokuton Bunshin's, which's access is restricted now, and there's no feats of Kage Bunshin's. He can use only up to one. Also, he won't go to ribcage as Tsunade has broke it already [

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]. And bigger versions can be busted with this, except PS.

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And there is an argument about Minato being able to warp the whole Susano'o, which is possible since he can control what he wants to warp and he has already warped size of full Kurama. How he warps it is with Bunshin's. Doesn't matter whether he can see through them or not, they still affect.

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After the warping, Tobirama can freely mark him with a Bunshin. Marking him makes him vulnerable to another warp which does not in fact warp the armor anymore but himself. Hiruzen and Tobirama can simultaneously attack him with Katon and Suiton, while after Tsunade charges with her massive punch to chest.​

 

[Touken]

Touken, I'll probably reply to the size issue tomorrow.

lmao, why are we always debating on size issues? Anyway, is there much point now since Bogard's proved that a PS slash can be dodged?

 

[Sendai Aka No Ou]

Hokagay rape.

 

[Minator93]

Madara gets Gang-banged U_U

Tobirama can potentially solo since he was on EMS Madara's level as confirmed by Madara himself!

Minato is a better version of Tobirama so he can solo as well.

Hiruzen would stomp his ass if he's in Prime! Also even if it's old Hiruzen he'd pose very serious problems to Madara since he knows counters to all MS/EMS Techs [as said by Kishi himself in Naruto official Fanbook 2]

PS: Had forgotten about RDS, Old Hiruzen soloes via RDS U_U

 

[adeshina365]

Middle panel on the left, we see the dirt and dust kick up from PS swinging its blade and Hashirama is intact, so I guess he dodged it.

From that panel it's impossible to know what actually happened...

 

[KidGamer65]

From that panel it's impossible to know what actually happened...

There's only one possible conclusion, if Madara swung his blade and Hashirama is alive, its clear that he dodged it.

Or are you insinuating that he never swung his blade at all?

 

[adeshina365]

There's only one possible conclusion, if Madara swung his blade and Hashirama is alive, its clear that he dodged it.

Or are you insinuating that he never swung his blade at all?

The latter.

Based on that panel it's not clear what happened.

 

[KidGamer65]

The latter.

Based on that panel it's not clear what happened.

How else would that dirt kick up? Kurama moving won't kick up a dust cloud (That also coincidentally traveled in a straight path) that is larger than Mountains. Bijuu Dama would cause an explosion, so its clear what happened if you just think about it a bit. The panel gives enough info to make a conclusion.

 

[adeshina365]

How else would that dirt kick up? Kurama moving won't kick up a dust cloud (That also coincidentally traveled in a straight path) that is larger than Mountains. Bijuu Dama would cause an explosion, so its clear what happened if you just think about it a bit. The panel gives enough info to make a conclusion.

I see where you're coming from and I agree.

Though it's doubtful that Madara was actually trying to destroy Hashirama considering that he needed him to obtain his DNA.

 

[KidGamer65]

I see where you're coming from and I agree.

Though it's doubtful that Madara was actually trying to destroy Hashirama considering that he needed him to obtain his DNA.

He doesn't need him alive to obtain his DNA.

 

[adeshina365]

He doesn't need him alive to obtain his DNA.

It wouldn't exactly be easy to obtain his DNA if his cells were wiped off the planet from a direct hit by a PS slash.

 

[KidGamer65]

It wouldn't exactly be easy to obtain his DNA if his cells were wiped off the planet from a direct hit by a PS slash.

A sword slash isn't going to disintegrate his body, it'll mutilate it and bisect it, but completely destroy it? no.

 

[adeshina365]

A sword slash isn't going to disintegrate his body, it'll mutilate it and bisect it, but completely destroy it? no.

If it hits him directly it would smash him into dust (like the meteor).

 

[KidGamer65]

If it hits him directly it would turn him to dust (like the meteor).

Meteor didn't turn to dust, it was blown apart like everything else in the region,

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. Not to mention cutting a giant hard rock is going to yield a different reaction than cutting a human body.

 

[moe6142]

Meteor didn't turn to dust, it was blown apart like everything else in the region,

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. Not to mention cutting a giant hard rock is going to yield a different reaction than cutting a human body.

The meteor was hit at its center and was smashed into pieces. You're second point is right. A human body can't handle the the amount of air pressure present from a direct hit. It would be ripped into pieces. On top of that the diameter of the blade is obviously wider than a human.

Stop talking your usual nonsense KG.

 

[Touken]

rofl, yeah KG, stop talking your usual nonsense.

But seriously, Hashirama isn't going to cease to exist if he's hit by a PS slash. Did that happen to the Gokage? No.