EMS Madara vs Hokage

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lol, what're you guys even debating?

The way I see it is, Madara's PS slashes aren't getting anywhere near the Hokage due to Tobirama/Minato using kunai to teleport the Hokage around and they simply just outlast Madara, considering PS is the only thing capable of defeating the Hokage in his arsenal and sooner or later, he's going to fall, either due to chakra exhaustion or from constant bombardment of Gojou Kibakufuda since he can't seal Tobirama's Edo.
 

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If this is in character, then the Hokage rape. If this is a blood lusted Madara, he might win. But I seriously doubt that the PS slash is hitting Minato or Tobirama, since Hashirama evaded it.
 

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lol, what're you guys even debating?

The way I see it is, Madara's PS slashes aren't getting anywhere near the Hokage due to Tobirama/Minato using kunai to teleport the Hokage around and they simply just outlast Madara, considering PS is the only thing capable of defeating the Hokage in his arsenal and sooner or later, he's going to fall, either due to chakra exhaustion or from constant bombardment of Gojou Kibakufuda since he can't seal Tobirama's Edo.
Minato's Kunai aren't going to be out of this range so despite teleportation they all die to the first slash.

If this is in character, then the Hokage rape. If this is a blood lusted Madara, he might win. But I seriously doubt that the PS slash is hitting Minato or Tobirama, since Hashirama evaded it.
No, mindset isn't going to change the outcome of this fight.
 

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Minato's Kunai aren't going to be out of this range so despite teleportation they all die to the first slash.
Humans are smaller than spots compared to the Juubi yet And that's only 4 kunai he used, he can do the same thing with 20 kunai. Tobirama can also do the same thing with his kunai and makes up for the lack of kunai with multiple Kage Bunshin kunai.
 

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Humans are smaller than spots compared to the Juubi yet And that's only 4 kunai he used, he can do the same thing with 20 kunai. Tobirama can also do the same thing with his kunai and makes up for the lack of kunai with multiple Kage Bunshin kunai.
No proof that he threw his Kunai to those 4 places. He set those Kunai in those 4 different spots off panel before coming to the battlefield which took an unknown amount of time, time he isn't going to have against PS.

Not to mention that area surrounding the Juubi where the 4 Kunai are located is much smaller than the AoE of Perfect Susanoo's sword slash, so your point isn't even valid, unless you think the space between PS and those distant Mountains would fit inside that barrier.

Though it clearly wouldn't.

So they still die.
 

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Minato's Kunai aren't going to be out of this range so despite teleportation they all die to the first slash.



No, mindset isn't going to change the outcome of this fight.
If he doesn't bust out susano'o immediately, Minato engages him in CQC whilst Tobirama will not be too far behind. Madara would be too focused on his CQC to gather chakra for his susano'o, and that leaves the Hokage a chance. If he busts out the PS immediately, I doubt the Hokage win. But hell, I could be wrong.
 

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If he doesn't bust out susano'o immediately, Minato engages him in CQC whilst Tobirama will not be too far behind. Madara would be too focused on his CQC to gather chakra for his susano'o, and that leaves the Hokage a chance. If he busts out the PS immediately, I doubt the Hokage win. But hell, I could be wrong.
Why would he rush into CQC with two Hiraishin users when Susanoo is available to him? Even the lower levels. Also, being focused on CQC doesn't mean that he can't activate Susanoo when all it requires is a thought, not like he'd rush into CQC with two Hiraishin users anyway. If they come at him he'll activate at least a level 2 Susanoo. When things get out of hand, PS comes out and they all die, considering they aren't going to finish Madara before he can activate it.
 

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By the time Madara summons PS and stabilizes it i think Tobirama and Minato would have enough time to throw a kunai far away.

Ofc this would only happen if they have knowledge on Madara's PS, if they don't then there's no reason for them to throw a kunai to a random location.
 

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No proof that he threw his Kunai to those 4 places. He set those Kunai in those 4 different spots off panel before coming to the battlefield which took an unknown amount of time, time he isn't going to have against PS.
Before coming to the battlefield? And how exactly did he achieve that since he would have to have been on the battlefield to set those kunai up? You're assuming it takes long to set those kunai up and even if it does, Minato/Tobirama could easily launch a kunai up into the air and use FTG v2 to teleport them there, and then teleport them back down by throwing the kunai back to the ground.

Not to mention that area surrounding the Juubi where the 4 Kunai are located is much smaller than the AoE of Perfect Susanoo's sword slash, so your point isn't even valid, unless you think the space between PS and those distant Mountains would fit inside that barrier.

Though it clearly wouldn't.

So they still die.
No it isn't. What proof is there that the AoE is bigger than the area the 4 kunai covered?
 

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Hashirama could dodge PS's slash, so Minato or Tobirama who are faster could definitely dodge that shit. How does EMS Madara counter RDS again? He isn't winning here
 

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Why would he rush into CQC with two Hiraishin users when Susanoo is available to him? Even the lower levels. Also, being focused on CQC doesn't mean that he can't activate Susanoo when all it requires is a thought, not like he'd rush into CQC with two Hiraishin users anyway. If they come at him he'll activate at least a level 2 Susanoo. When things get out of hand, PS comes out and they all die, considering they aren't going to finish Madara before he can activate it.
He didn't seem to be able to activate it or preferred hand to hand when Tobirama snuck up on him. Minato is far superior in shunshin than Tobirama is, who is faster than Madara. Minato should be able to close the gap relatively fast anyways. This is all depending on distance mind you. I have not read the Gokage vs Madara fight so I wouldn't know the distance.
 

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Before coming to the battlefield? And how exactly did he achieve that since he would have to have been on the battlefield to set those kunai up? You're assuming it takes long to set those kunai up and even if it does, Minato/Tobirama could easily launch a kunai up into the air and use FTG v2 to teleport them there, and then teleport them back down by throwing the kunai back to the ground.
When I said battlefield I meant the main battlefield where the fight was going on, before arriving there he went to those 4 points and set the Kunai there. And no I didn't say it was long, it just isn't going to happen against PS, unless you think they'll set up at those 4 points before Madara can swing his blade, which is laughable.

Is the second bold part referring to them evading the blade or getting to the location? Either way, swinging his blade is much faster than either.

No it isn't. What proof is there that the AoE is bigger than the area the 4 kunai covered?
lol do I even have to explain this? You should be able to look at it and tell that the AoE is larger.

-Juubi .

-PS compared to the gates that bound the Juubi. [ ]

-As you can see above, PS is at least as big as the Juubi's main body.

I hope you really don't think that would fit inside that barrier given PS's size already being the same as the Juubi's Main body and the fact that the destruction PS caused spans out in far far far wider and for a longer distance.

, and you're telling me this distance would fit inside the barrier?

I really don't hope you think that they were far away from the Juubi despite showing otherwise.


By the time Madara summons PS and stabilizes it i think Tobirama and Minato would have enough time to throw a kunai far away.

Ofc this would only happen if they have knowledge on Madara's PS, if they don't then there's no reason for them to throw a kunai to a random location.
They aren't going to throw a Kunai a mile away let alone far enough away to avoid PS's attack.

He didn't seem to be able to activate it or preferred hand to hand when Tobirama snuck up on him. Minato is far superior in shunshin than Tobirama is, who is faster than Madara. Minato should be able to close the gap relatively fast anyways. This is all depending on distance mind you. I have not read the Gokage vs Madara fight so I wouldn't know the distance.
He could handle Tobirama without it, but this is EMS Madara and he's going up against two people, not one. Also, what? Wasn't able to activate it? That makes no sense considering he was able to evade his sneak attack and then counter attack.

Ah shit, I just noticed that I forgot the link that shows the distance...this right . Even if he can close the distance fast, Madara is still going to be able to react without fail.

Hashirama could dodge PS's slash, so Minato or Tobirama who are faster could definitely dodge that shit. How does EMS Madara counter RDS again? He isn't winning here
Hashirama never dodged it.

Not only is RDS a last maneuver, if Madara kills him with PS before he ever uses RDS, it won't matter.
 
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When I said battlefield I meant the main battlefield where the fight was going on, before arriving there he went to those 4 points and set the Kunai there. And no I didn't say it was long, it just isn't going to happen against PS, unless you think they'll set up at those 4 points before Madara can swing his blade, which is laughable.

Is the second bold part referring to them evading the blade or getting to the location? Either way, swinging his blade is much faster than either.
Minato has enough time; Madara has to activate his Susanoo, stabilize it and then swing his. Even if Minato's kunai don't escape the blast radius, Hiruzen could use Fuuton to make the kunai move much more quickly or the shockwave itself produced from the PS slash would send the kunai flying which wouldn't help Madara's position.

Evading the shockwave produced from the blade. Fuuton/Shockwave would help the kunai move further away from the blast radius.

lol do I even have to explain this? You should be able to look at it and tell that the AoE is larger.

-Juubi .

-PS compared to the gates that bound the Juubi. [ ]

-As you can see above, PS is at least as big as the Juubi's main body.

I hope you really don't think that would fit inside that barrier given PS's size already being the same as the Juubi's Main body and the fact that the destruction PS caused spans out in far far far wider and for a longer distance.

, and you're telling me this distance would fit inside the barrier?

I really don't hope you think that they were far away from the Juubi despite showing otherwise.
-PS is nowhere near the size of the Juubi, it's at least two Bijuu big (exaggeration too) but no more than that and the Hachibi was as big as the Juubi's eye. Wasn't PS the size of Mokujin? And Mokujin is the size of a Bijuu, no more than that.

Depending on the angle you look at it from, the shockwave of the PS slash would definitely fit inside that barrier.
 
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