Minato vs Itachi

[xcoyote]

Intel:Full
Mindset:IC
Intent:To kill
Distance:15m
Location:Tobi vs Minato

Scenario2
Intel:None
Mindset:BL
Distance:10m

Restrictions:Kyuubi
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[paratise]

This is an original matchup there...

 

[Europa]

Minato's getting caught in Genjutsu.

 

[Strict]

Intel:None

So Tsukuyomi gg. Inb4 Bogard wanks.

 

[Bogard]

Minato speedblitz both scenarios [

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[Strict]

Minato speedblitz both scenarios [

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Last time I checked this is KCM Minato and we know how the speed is boosted with KCM when used by Naruto. Itachi solo's with finger Genjutsu inb4 Bogard shows a scan with Minato's Genjutsu feats.

 

[paratise]

Year 2014, people are still debating Itachi vs Minato with the same arguements since nothing left to argue or say.

People stated their opinions and made their counters, these opinions won't ever change so why bother with doing same repetetive thing over and over again?

 

[Bogard]

Last time I checked this is KCM Minato and we know how the speed is boosted with KCM when used by Naruto. Itachi solo's with finger Genjutsu inb4 Bogard shows a scan with Minato's Genjutsu feats.

Nothing implies Kyubi's chakra had a significance there when he replicated a similar feat in base by rescuing baby Naruto before MS Obito could even lift a finger on him. That genjutsu would solo only his after image the time it would take Minato to cut his head off.

 

[Strict]

While also nothing proves Base Minato can cover such a distance in an instant with Shunshin only. He is indeed fast, but so is Itachi. The Sharingan even allowed Sasuke to keep up with Raikage's speed at v1 while all the others couldn't even follow his movements. Hebi Sasuke at the beginning of his meeting with Yamato, Naruto, Sai and Sakura was so fast that he suddenly appeared before Naruto to lay an arm on him, the others wondering how he could be so fast. Databook specifies Sasuke's speed as godlike..

Simple Shunshin blitz? That is what Minato could've done to Obito as well, he wouldn't need FTG to blitz him in that instant when his Shunshin was so great that he covers large distances in a blink. Itachi's own impressive speed and ocular powers are enough to deal with Minato's non Hiraishin speed.

So him blitzing a fast Uchiha with his ocular powers is your mere thought and not comprehensible.

 

[miromiro]

Itachi wins high difficulty.

 

[Mellanoma]

Crow Clone explosions solos

Finger Genjutsu GG

Crow Clone Genjutsu GG

But ofcourse the wankers will say genjutsu won't work when clearly the manga's end is based off of it lol

#ITachiHaters

 

[Bronze]

Does it matter? Yamato solos both.

OT: Itachi high diff.

 

[Bogard]

While also nothing proves Base Minato can cover such a distance in an instant with Shunshin only. He is indeed fast, but so is Itachi. The Sharingan even allowed Sasuke to keep up with Raikage's speed at v1 while all the others couldn't even follow his movements. Hebi Sasuke at the beginning of his meeting with Yamato, Naruto, Sai and Sakura was so fast that he suddenly appeared before Naruto to lay an arm on him, the others wondering how he could be so fast. Databook specifies Sasuke's speed as godlike..

Simple Shunshin blitz? That is what Minato could've done to Obito as well, he wouldn't need FTG to blitz him in that instant when his Shunshin was so great that he covers large distances in a blink. Itachi's own impressive speed and ocular powers are enough to deal with Minato's non Hiraishin speed.

So him blitzing a fast Uchiha with his ocular powers is your mere thought and not comprehensible.

Obito activates kamui faster than he can bodily react to the point it even seems automatic. Shunshin blitzing there would have been meaningless if he didn't find a way to counter his intangibility.

It was a timing problem and thus a timed hiraishin was the best solution. Tobirama's shunshin allowed him to blitz MS Izuna someone stated to be on a similar lvl with MS Madara. Madara even basically admitted Tobirama was faster than him in his prime, considered the fastest in his era, yet his shunshin pales in comparison to Minato's.

Itachi is in no competition here in terms of speed when he couldn't even outspeed Sasuke. You're saying it's my mere thought yet you quickly assume Minato will fall for genjutsu when he has never shown to be caught in one. Your mere thoughts as well i guess

 

[Penguin]

Ever realize why Tobirama and Minato have not been caught in a genjutsu to date? Their speed might actually be too much. Tobirama closed the distance on Madara and was too fast for Madara to use any jutsu, so Madara had to use CQC. But I could be wrong.

Although, Tobirama was canon faster than Madara, by Madara's own words. Minato is faster than Tobirama, by Tobirama's words. Therefore, we can give Minato the feats of Madara [speed wise]. Blind Madara blitz'd SM Naruto, and Minato is faster than Madara. So, I think if the distance is not huge, Itachi gets blitz'd.

 

[Strict]

Your argumentation holds no weight in this case, as Izuna had no Sharingan activated in that moment, for whatever reason, but he didn't. Once the Sharingan was activated, Sasuke was even able to predict the movements of Ay while all the others couldn't. That MS Madara and Izuna were on pair was never explicitly said. The scan saying this tells in several other translations, whether German of English, that the brothers were merely competing with each other from begin of their youth. Assuming they were equal, that has no validity here, as the Sharingan's ability to predict movements has nothing to do with personal talent. At some point, every Uchiha has mastered the 3T Sharingan to a point he can follow movements greatly, as Sasuke proved against Ay.

The truth is, that the idea of Minato blitzing an Uchiha who is not only fast on his own but possesses the Sharingan is ridiculous. The Sharingan allowed Sasuke to predict even Ay's movements. And Itachi's speed was already demonstrated and hyped. Minato doesn't possess such speed feats. That would mean Minato's Shunshin clearly dwarfs Ay's speed at v1, and that is something you must prove if you claim it for Base Minato.

Look at how fast Gai is. He suddenly appeared behind team 7 and Sasuke could only think about him being no human [

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]. So can we say that Gai even in Base blitzes the likes of Kakashi? No, because the stronger your opponent is, the harder he falls for such maneuvers. Minato is surely fast, but can't blitz a wielder of the Sharingan without Hiraishin. That's something you only claim.

Sasuke is the example to use here, as he dodged Ay's speed with the Sharingan activated, and not Izuna, who didn't have his Sharingan activated and got blitzed by Hiraishin Giri.

You have the chance to disprove me with statements or actions left in the Manga or leave it here.

 

[Bogard]

Explanation of Shunshin no jutsu's workings

The Body Flicker Technique is a high-speed movement technique, allowing a ninja to move short to long distances at an almost untraceable speed. To an observer, it appears as if the user has teleported. A puff of smoke is occasionally used to disguise the user's movements. It is accomplished by using chakra to temporarily vitalise the body and move at extreme speeds. The amount of chakra required depends on the overall distance and elevation between the user and the intended destination

Notice than in the definition of the technique, it says to an observer, it appears as if the user has teleported, but in reality it's not the case. It's just that while using Shunshin the user boast his own body to move at a high-speed movement

The capability to perceive the movement of a user when Shunshin is involved then depends on the speed of movement in question when the body is revitalised in chakra, the distance seperating the shunshin user and the observer as well as it's observation and reactive capacities(if he wants to dodge or counter)

Example1

Sasuke vs Team7

Notice that Yamato was capable to follow Sasuke's shunshin speed(bottom left panel) [

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] noticing the speed of his shunshin(he is fast) [

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The distance seperating Sasuke and team7 is roughly between 4 or 5m. S = D/T. Greater the distance and smaller the time, greater is the speed. Concurrently, smaller the distance and greater the time, smaller the speed. Just like the speed of someone covering a small distance in the same amount of time as some other covering a greater distance would be smaller

This is basic calculation maths

So if for example, on this picture Sasuke covered a 5m distance in 1, it would mean his speed is 5m/s. But if the distance between them was 10m instead, it would mean that with a speed of 5m/s, Sasuke would cover the distance in T = D/S = 10/5 = 2seconds. If the distance was 20m, Sasuke with a shunshin speed of 5m/s would cover the distance in T = D/S = 20/5 = 4seconds

And like you can see, with a speed like this one greater the distance and longer the time it takes Sasuke to cover said distance, and longer the time it takes for him to cover and more the time it gives to an opponent to observe him

Sasuke against team7 covered a distance of 5m so fast for Sakura eyes to follow. Yamato could follow it however. It simply means his observation skills/speed and analysis was greater than Sakura's here. Because of this, he had more chances to dodge/counter Sakura's shunshin than her. And since he was capable to follow Sasuke's shunshin from a 5meter distance, greater the distance and easier would it be for him to dodge or counter it no problems

Example2

Sasuke vs Deidara

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Like you can see on the picture, the distance was roughly 7m, probably more since Sasuke was inside the crater though. So from this distance like represented on the picture, by revitalising his body temporarily with chakra, he covered the distance so fast that it surprised Deidara("so fast"). But notice that Tobi(who was near Deidara) had no exclammation mark on him, showing he had no trouble following Sasuke's speed(maybe because he already saw greater speeds before lol), to the point he was even fooling around, making as if he was hit by Sasuke

This also covers your Gai point

I'll just repeat Penguin's point concerning my reasons why i see Itachi getting blitzed

V1 Raikage couldn't surprise MS Obito with his shunshin [

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] We even see on the panel that Obito had more than enough time to do something. When he faced Minato's shunshin however, he couldn't even lift a finger on baby Naruto before Minato saves him despite the distance

So i firmly believe Minato's shunshin is faster than that of V1 Raikage. Raikage even already admitted Minato was faster

Tobirama was canon faster than Madara, by Madara's own words. Minato is faster than Tobirama, by Tobirama's words. Therefore, we can give Minato the feats of Madara [speed wise]. Blind Madara blitz'd SM Naruto, and Minato is faster than Madara

To further prove my shunshin point, i'll give another example. SM Naruto found Kyubi's fangs too fast for him during his training [

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], yet Minato wasn't only able to quickly notice the situation after teleporting on Kushina, but take her and shunshin away before his fangs touched either of them. [

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I think you're not biased enough to say that Itachi is faster than Madara or SM Naruto now after all they displayed in this manga already

 

[Souji]

Year 2014, people are still debating Itachi vs Minato with the same arguements since nothing left to argue or say.

People stated their opinions and made their counters, these opinions won't ever change so why bother with doing same repetetive thing over and over again?

This applies to pretty much most topics that are posted daily.

Now that you've realized the fallacy of such discussions as these, there is no point to continue them.

OT: Minato wins, in my opinion.

 

[Rosae]

Minato takes this, IMO.

 

[Avinash012]

Not this again.

OT: I honestly belive that Minato wins 6/10 matches b/w those two so Minato wins this.

As u guys already know there are 2 scenarios which can end the battle, one is Itachi using genjutsu on Minato and Minato speed blitzing Itachi.Both got a chance to end the other here so I think arguing over these two points is opintless if u ask me as both are possible.
Let us say Minato wins if he managed to blitz and Itachi wins if he managed to cast Tsukuyomi on Minato and continue the debate.
Now assuming that Minato avoids Itachi's genjutsu,I can't see any of Itachi's attack being effective against Minato as he can avoid all of em.Itachi ain't a joke,he is more than capable of keeping up with Minato's speed but using close range combat,Amaterasu and Susanoo would only make it worse for Itachi.

Iam a fan of both Minato and Itachi so no fanboying here

 

[Penguin]

Your argumentation holds no weight in this case, as Izuna had no Sharingan activated in that moment, for whatever reason, but he didn't.

Minato >>> Tobirama in speed and shunshin.

Once the Sharingan was activated, Sasuke was even able to predict the movements of Ay while all the others couldn't.

Juugo and Suigetsu couldn't. Even Gaara could.

That MS Madara and Izuna were on pair was never explicitly said. The scan saying this tells in several other translations, whether German of English, that the brothers were merely competing with each other from begin of their youth. Assuming they were equal, that has no validity here, as the Sharingan's ability to predict movements has nothing to do with personal talent.

Don't see how this is relevant. All Uchiha have some skill at genjutsu.

At some point, every Uchiha has mastered the 3T Sharingan to a point he can follow movements greatly, as Sasuke proved against Ay.

Minato is way faster than V1 Ei. Point is moot.

The truth is, that the idea of Minato blitzing an Uchiha who is not only fast on his own but possesses the Sharingan is ridiculous.

Not at all. You don't understand Minato's speed, or you overhype the pre-cog.

The Sharingan allowed Sasuke to predict even Ay's movements.

Minato > Ei is speed, and it was not Ei at his fastest.

And Itachi's speed was already demonstrated and hyped. Minato doesn't possess such speed feats.

Are you kidding me? All of Itachi's blitz's have been from close range. Minato has used shunshin from Konoha to the battle field. He out speed Tobirama who is faster than Madara. Blind Madara blitz'd SM Naruto who is top tier in reaction speed.

That would mean Minato's Shunshin clearly dwarfs Ay's speed at v1, and that is something you must prove if you claim it for Base Minato.

If you seriously think V1 Ei is faster than Minato when Ei clearly states Minato is faster than himself, you are crazy.

Look at how fast Gai is. He suddenly appeared behind team 7 and Sasuke could only think about him being no human [

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]. So can we say that Gai even in Base blitzes the likes of Kakashi? No, because the stronger your opponent is, the harder he falls for such maneuvers. Minato is surely fast, but can't blitz a wielder of the Sharingan without Hiraishin. That's something you only claim.

I don't see the point in this. Please elaborate.

Sasuke is the example to use here, as he dodged Ay's speed with the Sharingan activated, and not Izuna, who didn't have his Sharingan activated and got blitzed by Hiraishin Giri.

Sasuke dodged V1, and Minato is leagues above that. Tobirama is not as fast as Minato, and his shunshin is not even close to Minato's.

You have the chance to disprove me with statements or actions left in the Manga or leave it here.

>_>