Minato vs Itachi

[BenjerminGaye]

Itachi's brains advantage trumps Minato's speed advantage.

Plus Itachi's much more versatile in general.

The only thing goofy about minato is his jutsu naming

 

[EKSITE]

Minato 3 giant summons weren't even able to stop nagato summoning dog, they couldn't defeat it direct they had to reach out and attack the animal path of pain to do it.

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Itachi defeated Nagato summoning dog with breeze in seconds with no effort at all.

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Minato being a hokage level ninja couldn't even notice the presences of Obitio until it was to late with sensing ability was caught off guard as, Also here is proof that he had sensing abilities in the first place.

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Obito admitted that Itachi was the only one in the village to notice the presence of him skilled hokages ,sensors, tracking ninjas, ninja dogs,Anbu weren't able to do this.

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I've seen people say Itachi has low chakra reserve but were did you guys get all that from the Uchiha clan are known for there great chakra, It makes sense knowing that the elder son was born with the sages chakra

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Orochimaru rubs it in the Hiruzen & Minato face he would of made a better fourth, that Sarutobi made the wrong choice of hokage to which who would benefit the leaf more. Orochimaru admitted that Itachi was stronger then him earlier in the story.

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So if Itachi Uchiha was as bright and wise like a hokage at age 7 and stronger then Orochimaru at age 11 he was much more advanced then over 98% of shinobi. So my how would a fight with Itachi & Minato go down ? I've seen people say Minato would just be to quick for Minato to react but how would minato be able to move around a field full with black flames

Yes a Un-Healthy was able to do this Image a healthy one Really how would he move around black flames all over like this.

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Killer B was even able to best Minato in battle, He was quick enough to save A and counter minato right on the spot. Minato didn't even notice that killer blade was to his stomach until it was to late you can see he lowered his head then noticed the blade to his Minato stomach he goes off to praise Killer B in his skills as a ninja. Killer B battle with itachi he even had help from naruto in a hand to hand combat and wasn't able to land a hit on him. Killer b meeting itachi for the 1st time praised him as a wise & strong shinobi The same Shinobi he was able to counter minato movements twice and praised Killer B on his skills.

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Itachi wins IMO

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Tsukuyomi rapes Minato

inb4 it was a clone

inb4 Itachi gets decapitated during backlash

Itachi defeated Nagato summoning dog with breeze in seconds with no effort at all.

He used Amaterasu. If he uses that on Minato's summons he dies during the time period in which he is crippled by MS usage.

 

[EKSITE]

inb4 it was a clone

inb4 Itachi gets decapitated during backlash



He used Amaterasu. If he uses that on Minato's summons he dies during the time period in which he is crippled by MS usage.

Itachi was dieing from sickness not from using Amaterasu if that was the case Sasuke would have died way long ago while using his MS to be honest.

 

[Bogard]

@Strict your point concerning Kakashi is worth mentioning but what you totally miss is that the clone took the genjutsu on purpose. Kakashi needed Itachi to believe he really took him in an illusion, reason why he acted exactly as if he was the original despite knowing the genjutsu wouldn't affect him(avoiding eye contact-forcing Itachi to force the eye contact). All that was part of Kakashi's plan to fool Itachi and it worked

Notice as well that happened in a close range situation where he had to push his head upward for that to work. Not only a close range situation against someone as fast as Minato is deadly, but he also risks to take a never disappearing marking on the body as well as still failing in his attempt since as a teleporter, Minato could teleport anytime soon without him even noticing

The "3tomoes" genjutsu on C that you mention didn't seem like one tbh. Sasuke felt the downside of the technique right after using it exactly like it usually happens when Tsukuyomi is involved. Notice the background of the genjutsu was also black, as well as C noticing the chakra used for the genjutsu was similar to the one he used for his Susanoo. All that leads me to believe that although it seems he used 3tomoes sharingan, it was more a MS related genjutsu(an uncontrolled tsukuyomi variation most likely)

As for the start of battle analysis difference that you mention, i've to disagree with it. All Sharingan genjutsus(tsukuyomi included) have a similar workings, all being cast through occular vision.

In terms of manga portrayal let me also bring you up to the fact Kishi portrayed speedsters like A, Tobirama and Minato as people against whom it's difficult to cast genjutsu due to their speed. None of them have been shown to be caught in one so far besides A and that happened when he wasn't paying attention to 5 Sharingan opponents who took advantage of this to block him and his speed movements to cast the illusion. Later on even wondering why "I of all people have been put under a Sharingan genjutsu?" as if it was just an anomalie that happened right there, something that shouldn't have been happening to him no matter what.

Sasuke during the Kage summit even failed in this attempt when he was distracted with Jugo, with A telling him that such a thing is useless against him, changing his mind at the last second to make use of the chakra he builded for the genjutsu by puting the distracted C in it like you previously mentioned

So in this manga at least, speedsters have been portrayed to be particularly difficult to be caught in an illusion

I'll end all the talk with my opinion on it

1- Minato knows how to fight Sharingan.

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2- As a speedster it would be difficult for Itachi to build up the chakra for the genjutsu in his eye, making eye contact with a speedster like Minato and cast the genjutsu all that in the exact same timeframe. What people often think is that because Sharingan genjutsu is a occular attack, it's automatic that when someone look at the eyes he falls under the genjutsu. No, it's not like that. Even when the eye contact is made, the genjutsu user still should be in the position where he made the chakra build up through his eyes and cast it for that to be successful. In the meantime, anything could happen especially against a speedster where he could be forced to play defensive(Susanoo most likely)

3- Minato can also use clones if he feels the threat, and genjutsu becomes useless in this case. FTG speed is untraceable. During a FTG, Minato can be wise enough to leave a clone when the original would hide somewhere. From there any genjutsu attempt would be useless unfortunately for Itachi and because of Minato's superior reflexive speed, shunshin and FTG that never disappears, either he maintains Susanoo, or he gets killed sooner or later

4- Minato can also summon Gamabunta if he wants for partner method. And before you talk about Sharingan control, with Minato as a partner, it's useless. Using Gamabunta also upgrade his fire power to the point he can change landscapes like what happened in the fight against Shukaku in part1

5- With FTG kunais, Minato's clone could mark the area and more the time will pass and more Itachi's range would be limited. Minato could simply decide to launch kunais around Itachi's Susanoo and the match would be almost over, only waiting when Itachi will either decide to stop Susanoo or would run out of chakra(or side effects of MS techniques) to finish him with FTG blitz

6- We already knew there was a range with FTG, noticeable when he appeared in his room during Kyubi's attack. FTG has shown to have a greater range in this war even. With one kunai he was capable to warp people on different positions far away the other:

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So even far away from a kunai, Itachi isn't safe

MS also has heavy drawbacks especially on Itachi. It's for those reasons EMS or MS+Senju powers were created to remove those drawbacks. Each MS use not only significantly and physically weakens Itachi(to the point he could barely dodge Katons), but reduces his eyesight

 

[elsepa]

I think its safe so say Itachi solos

 

[Boston Rob]

Yup Itachis genjutsu wins....... I said Itachis not some regular genjutsu........

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Itachi was dieing from sickness not from using Amaterasu if that was the case Sasuke would have died way long ago while using his MS to be honest.

Sasuke has also shown signs of MS backlash, but Itachi's blindness was much more advanced.

 

[Airbear]

Lol this again... Some peoples opinions will never change but this matchup has the clear favorite. Especially considering no intel, this match is over at one glance.

 

[Oblivionx]

@Strict your point concerning Kakashi is worth mentioning but what you totally miss is that the clone took the genjutsu on purpose. Kakashi needed Itachi to believe he really took him in an illusion, reason why he acted exactly as if he was the original despite knowing the genjutsu wouldn't affect him(avoiding eye contact-forcing Itachi to force the eye contact). All that was part of Kakashi's plan to fool Itachi and it worked

Notice as well that happened in a close range situation where he had to push his head upward for that to work. Not only a close range situation against someone as fast as Minato is deadly, but he also risks to take a never disappearing marking on the body as well as still failing in his attempt since as a teleporter, Minato could teleport anytime soon without him even noticing

The "3tomoes" genjutsu on C that you mention didn't seem like one tbh. Sasuke felt the downside of the technique right after using it exactly like it usually happens when Tsukuyomi is involved. Notice the background of the genjutsu was also black, as well as C noticing the chakra used for the genjutsu was similar to the one he used for his Susanoo. All that leads me to believe that although it seems he used 3tomoes sharingan, it was more a MS related genjutsu(an uncontrolled tsukuyomi variation most likely)

As for the start of battle analysis difference that you mention, i've to disagree with it. All Sharingan genjutsus(tsukuyomi included) have a similar workings, all being cast through occular vision.

In terms of manga portrayal let me also bring you up to the fact Kishi portrayed speedsters like A, Tobirama and Minato as people against whom it's difficult to cast genjutsu due to their speed. None of them have been shown to be caught in one so far besides A and that happened when he wasn't paying attention to 5 Sharingan opponents who took advantage of this to block him and his speed movements to cast the illusion. Later on even wondering why "I of all people have been put under a Sharingan genjutsu?" as if it was just an anomalie that happened right there, something that shouldn't have been happening to him no matter what.

Sasuke during the Kage summit even failed in this attempt when he was distracted with Jugo, with A telling him that such a thing is useless against him, changing his mind at the last second to make use of the chakra he builded for the genjutsu by puting the distracted C in it like you previously mentioned

So in this manga at least, speedsters have been portrayed to be particularly difficult to be caught in an illusion

I'll end all the talk with my opinion on it

1- Minato knows how to fight Sharingan.

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2- As a speedster it would be difficult for Itachi to build up the chakra for the genjutsu in his eye, making eye contact with a speedster like Minato and cast the genjutsu all that in the exact same timeframe. What people often think is that because Sharingan genjutsu is a occular attack, it's automatic that when someone look at the eyes he falls under the genjutsu. No, it's not like that. Even when the eye contact is made, the genjutsu user still should be in the position where he made the chakra build up through his eyes and cast it for that to be successful. In the meantime, anything could happen especially against a speedster where he could be forced to play defensive(Susanoo most likely)

3- Minato can also use clones if he feels the threat, and genjutsu becomes useless in this case. FTG speed is untraceable. During a FTG, Minato can be wise enough to leave a clone when the original would hide somewhere. From there any genjutsu attempt would be useless unfortunately for Itachi and because of Minato's superior reflexive speed, shunshin and FTG that never disappears, either he maintains Susanoo, or he gets killed sooner or later

4- Minato can also summon Gamabunta if he wants for partner method. And before you talk about Sharingan control, with Minato as a partner, it's useless. Using Gamabunta also upgrade his fire power to the point he can change landscapes like what happened in the fight against Shukaku in part1

5- With FTG kunais, Minato's clone could mark the area and more the time will pass and more Itachi's range would be limited. Minato could simply decide to launch kunais around Itachi's Susanoo and the match would be almost over, only waiting when Itachi will either decide to stop Susanoo or would run out of chakra(or side effects of MS techniques) to finish him with FTG blitz

6- We already knew there was a range with FTG, noticeable when he appeared in his room during Kyubi's attack. FTG has shown to have a greater range in this war even. With one kunai he was capable to warp people on different positions far away the other:

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So even far away from a kunai, Itachi isn't safe

MS also has heavy drawbacks especially on Itachi. It's for those reasons EMS or MS+Senju powers were created to remove those drawbacks. Each MS use not only significantly and physically weakens Itachi(to the point he could barely dodge Katons), but reduces his eyesight

this and why not add that itachi was almost blind that it was difficult for him to see sasuke and that concludes that he won't even know where minato is....! sorry itachi, too blind to see fastest shinobi in manga....!

 

[silmarill]

minato low

 

[EKSITE]

Sasuke has also shown signs of MS backlash, but Itachi's blindness was much more advanced.

No way

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Sasuke was worst

 

[pateuvasiliu]

I'm not debating it with you.

When Itachi used Tsukuyomi he couldn't dodge 2 shuriken.

That backlash gets him killed vs Minato.

 

[Ahmed1993]

If its non KCM or BM Minato , then Itachi wins most of the time U_U

 

[pateuvasiliu]

If its non KCM or BM Minato , then Itachi wins most of the time U_U

Yeah, right.

 

[Totsuka gg Amaterasu gg]

If its non KCM or BM Minato , then Itachi wins most of the time U_U

pretty much this ^^

 

[EKSITE]

I'm not debating it with you.

When Itachi used Tsukuyomi he couldn't dodge 2 shuriken.

That backlash gets him killed vs Minato.

He was dieing of disease

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Part 1 he was able to use Tsukuyomi 2x yes it made him tired but to not dodge to shuriken lol

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He fought Kureni,Asuma,Kakashi He used a shadow clone,genjutsu,genjutsu counter, water element ,Shadow clone explosion before using it the was still able To use Tsukuyomi after & agaain when meeting sasuke.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

What's your point?

This isn't healthy Itachi. My points still stand.

 

[EKSITE]

You have no point case closed

 

[pateuvasiliu]

You have no point case closed

lolwat.

I don't know why the Itachi fapboy planet sent you here, but Itachi drops crippled after failing to use Tsukuyomi on Minato.

Then he dies.

Simple.