[Suggestion] Restructuring the RP Sections

[Naruto.]

Oops, I forgot to mention Point 3. A sub-section for non-Konoha RP would be great. That way, we would have only NV related RP in Konoha Town and Star Wars/Death Note, etc. in the sub section. and 'Konoha Town' would truly live up to it's name.

 

[Lili-Chwan]

KT is already supposed to be a free RP zone. People can pretty much do whatever they want there, but saying that you use actual bios to RP, well yeah that doesn't really belong there as they way you put it, these people are genuinely fighting, making it serious.



Ehm not really sure what you mean with your first comment. The reason why that Rules & Info section was made, was with the idea of having all the rules in one spot, but that just didn't work hence why I'm planning to remove it. What you are suggesting already exists and is not efficient. You want to make a bio and the bio template can be found stuck away somewhere in another section. The most efficient way is that the rules are close to what those rules apply to. Bio rules in the bio section, battle rules in the Battle Arena, Jutsu rules in the Jutsu section. That's also why the RP guide was made, there you have it nearly all in one thread. I didn't make that guide just for people who want to start RP, even veteran RPers might want to take a look at that guide. I mean I already noticed many times that some supposedly experienced Rpers didn't not bother to read the CE part of the guide.

Not really sure what you are referring to with the Ability restriction thread. All the basic universal rules about abilities can be found in the Basic Bio rule thread, both for the abilities in one bio as you 1st bio in relation with your 2nd bio. The Biography section then contains all the specific rules in regards to almost every RP ability. Basic bio rules are universal, top-down, Biography section specific, bottom-up and I'm going to move that subsection to the bio sections so that they are as close as they possibly can be.

The CC thread has been hopping from one place to another, originally it was in the Arena, then again somewhere else, eventually ending up in the bio section. I found it useful for when I need to check CC bios, I already considered moving it to the Jutsu section at the same time this all would be done, but it wasn't really important as that thread is not the most important nor active thread in the RP. Not many people can submit CC and even do it.

And the customs isn't an issue, as I explained the canon training is divided into the specific RP skills, custom training however is simply based around which type of custom skill it is. There is nothing I said that makes it impossible to not teach someone elemental combination jutsu as that alls falls simply under the tag CJ. I don't see any issue either with things like Rasengan and Shadow clones. I'm aware that some sensei probably say 'I'm going to teach you quickly the shadow clone, even though you have not received any other basic ninjutsu training, so that you can use this elemental jutsu that requires you to know the shadow clone', there is no rule that says you can't do that, however deontology seen you shouldn't teach him then that specific elemental ninjutsu till he learned the shadow clone in his ninjutsu training.

Also I can hardly imagine that there are many canon elemental combination jutsu, as far as I know there isn't even such a thread for it in the Jutsu list, meaning that such jutsu are sorted in somewhere and I would say you then just follow the jutsu list. If a fire/wind combo is listed in the katon thread, then teach it when a person is learning katon, if he knows the wind jutsu of course. Overall this is also something very minor and limited, so it's no big deal if if one alien jutsu is taught in another training thread.

The overall point of this system is to bring more structure to the TG and to make it easier to find trainings. In theory every RPer should be able to provide a link to his training when asked, but it happened a lot of times that they weren't able to find it because they forgot from who they learned it, what the title was, or they they learned it in another somewhere in the middle but he couldn't find that thread then. For the record the original suggestion was making separate subsections for each skill, but IMO that would lead to much more confusion as asocial behavior.


Also there are people lying in wait for a lap dance >.>

It's probably be easier if I link you what I think is a problem:


This thread, and the threads listed in there are, in my opinion, extremely useful and well organized:

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Whereas this thread, in a completely different section, is a clustter**** of rules and restrictions, most that don't even make much sense, many of them that are exclusive of this thread, for example, the rules on having 2 KG, which affect specific bios and abilities.

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My suggestion is, reform the second thread, making it merely about the general rules of making a bio, like, you can have 2 bios, minimum of 50 post, etc etc. When you go into more detail about a specific bio or ability, have it mentioned in the first thread instead (as in, the thread referring to that ability).
When browsing a certain ability, if there are specific rules against having it and another ability, in the same or a different bio, it should be stated there, not in a different thread and a different section.

The rest of what you said is pretty reasonable, for someone who likes to eat swords, that mean. I agree / don't mind xD

As for the lap dance, I was totally going to do it, but then I say Scorps was in there. And he smells, like... really bad. I couldn't bring myself to do it

 

[Korra.]

I like every suggestion on here. The tags for training threads would help a lot with senseis who organizes their training. I also would like to see Crutch's suggestion of having Prefix for bios to help get them check faster.

 

[Troi]

Oops, I forgot to mention Point 3. A sub-section for non-Konoha RP would be great. That way, we would have only NV related RP in Konoha Town and Star Wars/Death Note, etc. in the sub section. and 'Konoha Town' would truly live up to it's name.

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[Typhon]

In Cali We Trust

 

[P3ĮÑ]

I'm droppin plates everywhere, I really like the suggestions, especially the third one.

 

[Caliburn]

All souns pretty decent to me but one thing bugs me and iv'e never been given a straight answer about it. It's all good and well shifting the Sections around and making them neater but i feel this still isnt adressing issues we have with the RP itself.

For example, iv'e asked on multiple occasions to multiple mods as to why we cannot have a test bio and a special bio, like a Jinchuuriki and a KG bio. Now what i originally though was this was an old rule for when people could use both bio's in the NW at the same time, but alas i was told that is not the reason, so could someone give me a reason as to this, as theres alot of bio's i really want to try attempt at, but the fact is i'll have to drop the one thing i love most in the RP which is Dark release.

Thats my one question to do with bio's seems it is a topic of this thread, there are other issues with the RP but seems this is bio specific it seems, thats as far as i'll go. All in all though the changes to the format seem great and(one of which i think i suggested you at one point) will be a welcomed change for many and myself.

Well yeah the point of this thread was to talk about structural changes, not to address every single problem there is in the RP or someone might have with the RP. Talking about specific bio rules isn't really the point of this thread.

That rule existed long before the NW was made, so it has no relation to it and the point of it is:

1) To make people think carefully about which bios and abilities they want. This rule is to prevent people to decide too easily that they want that bio or that ability. If you know you can't mix two specific bios, you are going to consider whether it's really worthwhile to for it.

2) It provides a more balanced RP in terms of abilities being spread. For instance I don't need any restriction for crystal release other than only allow Guren bios to use it. There is no risk of having crystal bios flood the RP as just because they need to make a Guren bio, many people don't want it anymore (this was the original reason the mixture of the abilities of your two bios was made). If that rule is voided, well then countless of people are going to try to get strong test bios along with strong custom bios and that has several consequences: a widening gap between the high-ranked Rpers who get even more powerful and lower ranked ones who can't go for such bios, minor abilities being neglected (as people are more inclined to go for stuff like smoke when they have a test bio considering they can't have a KG) and people relying more on power than skill.

Fact is I already had a solution years ago for people to enjoy different bios without voiding this rule, however I simply have never the time to implement it.

Change 1 and Change 2 are purely the format of the site itself. I don't see any other purpose other than removing clutter.
Change 3 is actually really great. I've always believed that NB should have a section for free-form role-play that has nothing to do with the official role-play. But imagined that asking the mods to create a new section or subsection for it would just get ignored. Change 4 is just prefixes. I think people can adapt.


One thing I would like to add is to add prefixes to the biography section as well. Tags could include [Custom], [Custom Clan], [Canon], [Test Biography]. I only say this because my bio was left unchecked for a long period of time assuming it was a test biography. If these tags exist, then mods who check bios don't have to open a thread to see what it's about. A canon bio is obviously easier to check than a custom, because it limited to stricter rules. And a custom Uchiha bio is easier to check than a Custom Clan bio where all the abilities on the bio would have to be verified with Custom Clan abilities. So people certain people can get bios checked faster.

I don't really see why we need all those tags as there isn't really a specific reason to make it obvious one bio is custom, another canon and another a custom clan. In many cases it can be deduced from the title and if not, it becomes obvious in an instant when you open the bio. I can hardly imagine your bio was unchecked because it was thought it was a test bio when there was no reason to assume it was a test bio. For instance many people actually change their bio, but they can't change the title. So it has happened that I thought that it was a Nagato bio, but in the meantime the poster made it into another character. Prefixes don't really help with that as he can't change those.

Sometimes it's possible though that someone already passed a test and is updating the bio, but that he bio doesn't get checked because the bio checker thinks it's waiting for the test, but normally the poster should mention in the title it's an update or that it's version # or something.

It's probably be easier if I link you what I think is a problem:


This thread, and the threads listed in there are, in my opinion, extremely useful and well organized:

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Whereas this thread, in a completely different section, is a clustter**** of rules and restrictions, most that don't even make much sense, many of them that are exclusive of this thread, for example, the rules on having 2 KG, which affect specific bios and abilities.

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My suggestion is, reform the second thread, making it merely about the general rules of making a bio, like, you can have 2 bios, minimum of 50 post, etc etc. When you go into more detail about a specific bio or ability, have it mentioned in the first thread instead (as in, the thread referring to that ability).
When browsing a certain ability, if there are specific rules against having it and another ability, in the same or a different bio, it should be stated there, not in a different thread and a different section.

The rest of what you said is pretty reasonable, for someone who likes to eat swords, that mean. I agree / don't mind xD

As for the lap dance, I was totally going to do it, but then I say Scorps was in there. And he smells, like... really bad. I couldn't bring myself to do it

Now I'm really confused. The first link is that of the Bio Rules Quick Access thread, which I specifically made to make it easy for everyone to find all the rules about specific skills, abilities, characters etc. The second link you posted is the section where all the threads containing these rules are posted, with other words all the threads that have their links in the Bio Rules Quick Access thread. Every single thread in that section has a link in Quick Access thread. That's why I called it Quick Access, so that you can easily hop to the thread you want.

 

[Vayne]

A tag in the bio section for updating bios is needed. It'd do wonders for the test bios. Like if someone already passed a test and was updating but didn't say that in the title then the checker would think there is going to be a test, with the prefix that is eliminated.

 

[Penguin]

Most of these are just for mods and sensei to find out training easier which is good, and to help the clutter which is also good. I like the KT idea as well. I just wish the bio rules and everything related to said bio would be linked to it, even though it might not completely be necessary. Example being, you go to the Tobirama bio in special bio rules. The abilities such as S/T, Sensory, and Kinjutsu would be hyper linked on the page. But that isn't really necessary, although it would be helpful to people not good at navigating through pages abilities.

 

[Lili-Chwan]

Now I'm really confused. The first link is that of the Bio Rules Quick Access thread, which I specifically made to make it easy for everyone to find all the rules about specific skills, abilities, characters etc. The second link you posted is the section where all the threads containing these rules are posted, with other words all the threads that have their links in the Bio Rules Quick Access thread. Every single thread in that section has a link in Quick Access thread. That's why I called it Quick Access, so that you can easily hop to the thread you want.

I'm sorry, computer is not my first language

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The second link should be this one.

 

[Scorps]

I don't smell that much... >_> I took a bath like in xmas I think. I has been barely over a month. You're being unfair.

As for the revamp itself, the rest of the staff already knows my opinion. I agree a revamp has to be done and I agree with all the changes that are suggested. However, I wouldn't stop there personally. I understand its not the time for it right now and it would become such a big change that the result might actually not work like its supposed to. Part of it was making Konoha Town into Naruto Base Town or NB Town or something of the sort and name the ninja world something like "bridge to the Ninja world". NB Town would have a map and official landmarks to rp in, such as taverns, cafes, beach, restaurants, dodjos, etc each made into an official thread and placed in the map. People would be able to make their own spots and place them on the map as well. It would serve only to RP but in a more structured way without however, losing the freedom to make your own threads. RPG bios would pass to their own section (something we have already thought of doing for this revamp). The hospital would be put inside this NB Town. Then you'd have the Training Grounds, Battle Arena and the Library of Knowledge (basically the Jutsu forum we have now). More or less the same structure we have and that we will keep but naming Konoha Town something more linked to the Game aspect of the RPG itself and structuring it in a more clean way. It would be basically a village but free for RP. I haven't given up on a more RP oriented naming and giving it a more Game-like feel. I just understand that, like Caliburn say, we need to take baby steps and one of which is to actually rework and boost Konoha Town to an RP section. My view is just that Konoha Town doesn't make sense in its name when we have Konohagakure as a village for the RP. Lol I know its minor but for me its a core in the way i view it. but like Caliburn said, none of this is viable at the moment and it might even discourage rpears. And then we'd have a NW Events debacle once more.

 

[Caliburn]

I'm sorry, computer is not my first language

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The second link should be this one.

I already figured you were talking about that thread, however my first reply was already based on the notion it was this thread. I really don't understand with what you have troubles with. As I said the basic bio rules provide universal rules that apply to all bios, it's at the top. The rules in the Biography Rules subsection are specific rules for each individual character, ability, KG or whatever, they are the bottom, but automatically those basic rules already apply to them too. Why writing the same rule 50 times in 50 different threads when it applies on all of them? It's also necessary to say that in the bio rules to avoid people making bios with abilities as they please.

The basic bio rules even links to the Quick Access guide and explains the difference. As I said I'm probably going to rename that Biography Rules subsection into something like Special Bio & Ability Rules to make it clear that those are 'extra' rules, an addition on the Basic Rules. In the end it are just 2 threads and the one that's currently oddly placed is the Biography Rules subsection.

 

[Lili-Chwan]

I don't smell that much... >_> I took a bath like in xmas I think. I has been barely over a month. You're being unfair.

As for the revamp itself, the rest of the staff already knows my opinion. I agree a revamp has to be done and I agree with all the changes that are suggested. However, I wouldn't stop there personally. I understand its not the time for it right now and it would become such a big change that the result might actually not work like its supposed to. Part of it was making Konoha Town into Naruto Base Town or NB Town or something of the sort and name the ninja world something like "bridge to the Ninja world". NB Town would have a map and official landmarks to rp in, such as taverns, cafes, beach, restaurants, dodjos, etc each made into an official thread and placed in the map. People would be able to make their own spots and place them on the map as well. It would serve only to RP but in a more structured way without however, losing the freedom to make your own threads. RPG bios would pass to their own section (something we have already thought of doing for this revamp). The hospital would be put inside this NB Town. Then you'd have the Training Grounds, Battle Arena and the Library of Knowledge (basically the Jutsu forum we have now). More or less the same structure we have and that we will keep but naming Konoha Town something more linked to the Game aspect of the RPG itself and structuring it in a more clean way. It would be basically a village but free for RP. I haven't given up on a more RP oriented naming and giving it a more Game-like feel. I just understand that, like Caliburn say, we need to take baby steps and one of which is to actually rework and boost Konoha Town to an RP section. My view is just that Konoha Town doesn't make sense in its name when we have Konohagakure as a village for the RP. Lol I know its minor but for me its a core in the way i view it. but like Caliburn said, none of this is viable at the moment and it might even discourage rpears. And then we'd have a NW Events debacle once more.

As long as you leave the Ninja World out of all that, I'm behind you 100%.

Don't mess with the Ninja World, though. Don't attach Konoha Town / NB Town to it, don't attach the Training Grounds, the Battle Arena, the Hospital.

If someone wants to create an hospital in the ninja world, let them do it, just like I wanted a tavern and did it. What happens in KT is different than what happens in the NW. The Ninja world works because it's sand box, in a perfect world, it wouldn't need no Moderators to entertain us with anything, we'd do everything ourselves.

 

[TheLastSamurai]

I agree with the changes, because I've found myself being confused way to many time >_<

 

[Cursed Prince]

I like dis, itd be fresh af

 

[Delta]

Well yeah the point of this thread was to talk about structural changes, not to address every single problem there is in the RP or someone might have with the RP. Talking about specific bio rules isn't really the point of this thread.

That rule existed long before the NW was made, so it has no relation to it and the point of it is:

1) To make people think carefully about which bios and abilities they want. This rule is to prevent people to decide too easily that they want that bio or that ability. If you know you can't mix two specific bios, you are going to consider whether it's really worthwhile to for it.

2) It provides a more balanced RP in terms of abilities being spread. For instance I don't need any restriction for crystal release other than only allow Guren bios to use it. There is no risk of having crystal bios flood the RP as just because they need to make a Guren bio, many people don't want it anymore (this was the original reason the mixture of the abilities of your two bios was made). If that rule is voided, well then countless of people are going to try to get strong test bios along with strong custom bios and that has several consequences: a widening gap between the high-ranked Rpers who get even more powerful and lower ranked ones who can't go for such bios, minor abilities being neglected (as people are more inclined to go for stuff like smoke when they have a test bio considering they can't have a KG) and people relying more on power than skill.

Fact is I already had a solution years ago for people to enjoy different bios without voiding this rule, however I simply have never the time to implement it.



I don't really see why we need all those tags as there isn't really a specific reason to make it obvious one bio is custom, another canon and another a custom clan. In many cases it can be deduced from the title and if not, it becomes obvious in an instant when you open the bio. I can hardly imagine your bio was unchecked because it was thought it was a test bio when there was no reason to assume it was a test bio. For instance many people actually change their bio, but they can't change the title. So it has happened that I thought that it was a Nagato bio, but in the meantime the poster made it into another character. Prefixes don't really help with that as he can't change those.

Sometimes it's possible though that someone already passed a test and is updating the bio, but that he bio doesn't get checked because the bio checker thinks it's waiting for the test, but normally the poster should mention in the title it's an update or that it's version # or something.



Now I'm really confused. The first link is that of the Bio Rules Quick Access thread, which I specifically made to make it easy for everyone to find all the rules about specific skills, abilities, characters etc. The second link you posted is the section where all the threads containing these rules are posted, with other words all the threads that have their links in the Bio Rules Quick Access thread. Every single thread in that section has a link in Quick Access thread. That's why I called it Quick Access, so that you can easily hop to the thread you want.

As much as i'd just utterly love to argue that point, this is neither the thread nor the subject to do so, but the structual changes to the rp sound great, but i think improving the appearance of the RP over how the engine runs is doing things wrong, thats like giving a busted up car a new paint job when the engine doesnt work, sure it looks great but the damn things broken either way.

 

[Priest]

I like the suggestions.

However there is one thing I want you to look into. We can make infinite amount of threads but when you look into the threads you have made, you only have a 4page quota meaning many of our threads are lost and you then need to start searching the section the thread was initialy located. Most of the training threads are created by the trainee and if their thread is not eventually lost due to the small space given, I think finding their thread would be much more easier when they hit the "view your threads" link. As for me, I could not find most of my old training threads even as I was the one who made them unless I start rummaging through TG.

 

[Noni]

I came here for the lap dances. >_>

With that being said, I really like the majority of what you are saying. Quite frankly I can't wait and hope it happens soon.

>_> Now there is my two cents. And that is how much I'm paying for the dance.

 

[Caliburn]

I like the suggestions.

However there is one thing I want you to look into. We can make infinite amount of threads but when you look into the threads you have made, you only have a 4page quota meaning many of our threads are lost and you then need to start searching the section the thread was initialy located. Most of the training threads are created by the trainee and if their thread is not eventually lost due to the small space given, I think finding their thread would be much more easier when they hit the "view your threads" link. As for me, I could not find most of my old training threads even as I was the one who made them unless I start rummaging through TG.

That has actually nothing to do with the RP itself as the search quotas apply to every member of NB. Zise is in charge of stuff like that.

But you did though just gave one of the reasons as why prefixes are going to be implemented. For the record you can search on prefixes, so if you want to find someone's katon training, you can just search on all the threads with a katon prefix you posted in or you made. Of course for senseis the amount of threads that will appear, will probably be higher. Still I think there are 25 threads per page, there are 4 pages, that's a hundred threads. That must be one active sensei if a 100 threads pop up. Not to mention you can also make it so that you don't search on recent threads and/or that you search for threads from #months or #years ago.

Either way increasing the result quotas is within the domain of Zise's authority.

 

[Scorps]

Also, you should use time periods for your search if you get more than 100 possible hits in your search. Instead of searching for threads from all time, search for threads from X month of Y year to W month of Y year for example. Its a bit tricky to use the search button at times but it does the work if you fiddle with it enough.

Also, I think there should be a rule or at least a verbal agreement between all teachers that each member should only have one thread to train one give element. I've seen people with 4 or 5 threads for Katon training. That is unnecessary and occupies more space and hinders the organization side of things. Though this is something more up to the senseis. This and thread naming though that will be resolved partially with the prefixes.

Also, good morning