[Suggestion] Restructuring the RP Sections

[Caliburn]

Well I have some plans to reorganize some of the RP sections to a more rational and logical structure. However before I will implement them, I want to know what the RPers think of it (yes this thread is mainly meant for people who RP or who have the intention of RPing) and to let them know what is going to happen so that they don't get confused when suddenly a section or thread is not anymore where it's supposed to be.

Change 1: Remove the Rules, Info & RP Questions section

I always had my sincere doubts about this section. The idea behind it was that you could find all the RP rules here, concentrated in one spot, but from the start I found it very inconvenient as for instance the basic bio rules and the bio template were then located 5 sections under the bio section. That was just stupid, so I already moved those immediately afterwards back. It doesn't have any particular connection either with battle tests.

So I want to make the Battle Tests subsection a subsection of the BA. Likewise I will make The Biography rules subsection (and rename it Special Biography Rules, though that might cause a slight confusing with with what we define as a 'special bio, but that can be solved by naming it Special Bio & Ability rules or something) a subsection of the Biographies section.

When that is done that entire section is completely empty outside 4 threads and that's currently the only problem. The RP Questions and the RP updates threads could be moved to KT. Then that leaves the two Elemental threads. The only options that seem available are or they are moved to Jutsu section, but where then exactly? Or they are added to the Biography rules section which already has things like the Speed Chart there or maybe the Training Grounds (though that one is already filled with stickies). When these threads are gone, this entire section can be deleted.​

Change 2: Independent Biographies section

Now that one section is removed, we can make room for another, more precise an independent section for the RP biographies, which currently is still a subsection of KT. In the old days there was a strong connection between those two, however that doesn't really apply anymore and it's a bit weird that something important like biographies are stuck as a subsection and sub subsections. As said the Biography Rules subsection will become the 3rd subsection of this section.​

Change 3: Konoha Town

With the bio sections out of KT suddenly there is quite a lot of free space here. Scorps once suggested a plan to restructure it completely, however I personally found that he was going too far as then you would need at least one mod solely to keep all those threads in check, which I found a waste. However now we do have the opportunity to at least make the main section again stronger connected to the Naruto RP. Currently it's mainly used by people who do random RP stuff and this is not beneficial for the real RP threads it was supposed to be used for like recruitment threads, bio shops etc. For now the plan is to just to make a non-Naruto RP subsection where stuff like Vampire RP, Kingdom Hearts RP, Star Wars RP etc. can be done. We will take back KT for the real RPers! Having the RP Questions and the RP Updates threads stickied here, is also meant to show these intentions.

In the least it opens quite a few possibilities for the future.​

Change 4: Training Grounds

Vincent has been working on a reformation of the training system and the training grounds for while and he has been talking to me about it (the recent new sensei benefits are also directly related to this). For now this is some kind of moderate solution of what we discussed. The canon and custom trainings get separated from each other. Canon training (5 basic elements, genjutsu, taijutsu etc.) remain located in the main section. Custom skills (CE, CJ etc.) get a subsection. In this subsection I will provide these prefixes:

[CE] = Custom Element training
[CFS] = Custom Fighting Style training
[CJ] = Custom Jutsu training/trading
[CC] = Custom Clan training
[CSC] = Custom Summoning Contract training

People will have to use prefixes. This way it becomes easier to keep track of individual people's trainings and things like CJ transactions. I have no idea yet which colors I'm going to use, but for the custom skill section probably the same for all as I don't want to have cacophony of colors.

Same thing will be done for the main training section:

[Katon] = Katon training
[Doton] = Doton Training
[Raiton] = Raiton Training
[Suiton] = Suiton Training
[Fuuton] = Fuuton Training

[KG] = Kekkei Genkai Training
[HA] = Hiden Ability Training

[Ken] = Kenjutsu Training
[Tai] = Taijutsu Training

[Gen] = Genjutsu Training
[Nin] = Basic Ninjutsu Training
[SM] = Sage Mode Training
[YY] = Yin/Yang Training

[Fuuin] = Fuuinjutsu Training
[Kin] = Kinjutsu Training
[SC] = Summoning Contract training (canon)

As you can see I divided them in groups and each group should get their own prefix color. Again not sure which colors still have to be decided. I think the majority of the skills are covered, using common sense you should be able to know which prefix you should use for which skills. 8IG and Leg Weights are clearly taijutsu based, Samurai training is Kenjutsu based, things like Sharingan, wood, lava, magnetism are KG based and things like shadows and Akamichi are HA based. Sometimes it might be less clear like sound and smoke are ninjutsu based, while rain is suiton based. If it seems people really can't understand the logic behind some specific skills, other prefixes can always be added later.

Some of the mods also suggested a CHAR or ADV prefix (characters or advanced) for very specific, most of the time tied to individual canon characters, abilities that are difficult to sort under any of the other prefixes like FTG (which is both S/T ninjutsu as fuuinjutsu). Personally I have a bit of trouble with it because it might lead to people considering every skill ADV or CHAR, though using the logic that it can only be used if it doesn't fall under anything else, it might work.

Finally I also got the idea when trying to find a solution for some of the stickied threads, to make a subsection in the Training Grounds for RP guides. More precise RP guides posted by members themselves about anything RP related like the Sharingan usage guide. This might be interesting for regular RPers to give some input. Logically these guides will have to be approved though to avoid people posting wrong things. Awards/prizes might be given out for really helpful guides.​

Overal benefits:

- The RP gets a more rational structure without actually messing around too much with the current structure. The amount of main RP sections remains exactly the same and only 3 or so new subsections are added.

- All the aspects of our RP that are strongly related to each other are now located close to one another: bios, battles, training. The battle RP is also more clearly separated from the regular RP in KT.

- We can take back KT and use it as a focal point to gather RPers.

The NW is something separate, so I'm not going to involve that in this thread.

 

[Europa]

Will I get a free Kisame Bio if I agree?

Negative Knight stole what should be mine...

OT: Seems neater.

 

[Nathan Sympathy]

Yes! It's here, nice one Cali this should make everything a lot more neater >.< especially Konoha Town and this separate RP Section that is soon to come. Thanks.

 

[Sominus]

Seems cool, I might even give the RP another chance xD

But I guess my opinion on this is not the exact thing you are looking for.

 

[The Sach]

I agree and would like you to implement most of the suggestions.
I would like to suggest you to move those two stickied threads (from Rules and info), to Naruto training ground or to the RP guide subsection you talked about in your last i.e. fourth change, in training grounds because it will help beginners of basic 5 there, or in RP guide subsection(if you are making one that is).
Considering the way KT contains only RP threads or bio shops these days, bringing bio as a main section is nice idea as it will also decrease the mistakes that many people make while creating the bios, as Rules will be tied with bio section.
I will be happy if they are implemented, not as a RPer, but also as someone who likes to see more people getting attracted towards KT and RP system.:yeah:
And ya thanks for lap dance.

 

[Never]

This is great for Konoha Town, separating it to make a new non-Naruto related RP is a great idea and I 100% support this as I have been preaching for it myself xD, Call it the 'Mini-Games' Section >_O. That could become a lot more too with some Mod help, though you'd probably need to get a or some new mods to look over that section. I have a lot of ideas of what could happen in the Non-Naruto RP section

Spoiler

Scorps has probably shown you, but here is some of the ideas I'm referring to :

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Everything else seems like a good idea too, it'll be much cleaner and more logical as you've said xD

Can't wait for this to go through, thank you Caliburn. Horray for lap dancing.

 

[Scarecrow.]

All of these suggestions seem pretty good to me. I agree with all of them. I just have one question. How long will it take for the changes to happen?

 

[Caliburn]

All of these suggestions seem pretty good to me. I agree with all of them. I just have one question. How long will it take for the changes to happen?

Most of these things I can do in a few minutes like moving the Battle Tests/Bio Rules/Biographies section. The TG updates probably a bit longer as I need from Vincent the good to go-sign. For the Guide subsection some guidelines probably will need to be made first.

Now I'm just seeing what people think and waiting till many RPers know about this so that they don't freak out if suddenly they can't find their battle test anymore. If all goes well maybe this evening.

 

[Scarecrow.]

Most of these things I can do in a few minutes like moving the Battle Tests/Bio Rules/Biographies section. The TG updates probably a bit longer as I need from Vincent the good to go-sign. For the Guide subsection some guidelines probably will need to be made first.

Now I'm just seeing what people think and waiting till many RPers know about this so that they don't freak out if suddenly they can't find their battle test anymore. If all goes well maybe this evening.

Ok cool.
btw, I noticed a flaw in the training grounds prefix suggestion. What if the person is being trained in more than one thing in that thread??

 

[Caliburn]

Ok cool.
btw, I noticed a flaw in the training grounds prefix suggestion. What if the person is being trained in more than one thing in that thread??

One of the reasons behind using prefixes is that people wouldn't do that as that makes it hard for everyone to find the training if needed.

 

[Illyasviel]

I agree pretty much with these changes.As for change 4,I think that it would also be good if each member had only one thread in which he learns CJ's and not make a new thread every time.So for example if two want to trade customs,A posts it in B's thread,B learns it and then B posts his CJ in A's thread so A learns that CJ.

 

[Caliburn]

I agree pretty much with these changes.As for change 4,I think that it would also be good if each member had only one thread in which he learns CJ's and not make a new thread every time.So for example if two want to trade customs,A posts it in B's thread,B learns it and then B posts his CJ in A's thread so A learns that CJ.

Actually that was something one of the RP mods also suggested, but then with custom contracts. It has always been hard to keep track of CSC because no one bothered with it from the start and then trying to do it afterwards never really worked. So he originally wanted a specific sub section just for the CSC, but I said that you can easily do that in the custom skills subsection if you just recycle the thread so that all the owners/signers of the contract can be found in the same thread.

In the case of CJ though that becomes more tricky as you need to hop between each other's threads, but in either case it doesn't have any influence on the structure of the section itself, that's related to the rules and guidelines we might set for people to follow.

 

[ReXii]

I like the training suggestions, would certainly clear that section up. Sometimes i misplace something or forget to subscribe and i pretty much just have to wait for whoever that student is to moan at me for not replying before i can ask for a link.
Konoha town idea seems nice also, maybe you could consider doing what most do inside villages already and make it like a "free" RP zone, where people can use random canon bio's to practice and have fun without needing to complete a test and just take a break from the more "serious" RP.

P.S i agreed with all simply for the lapdance, it seems worth it in the long run i guess.

 

[Vex]

I actually had an idea not too long ago myself. Where instead of filling the TG with dozens or even hundreds of Cudtom training threads, each person having only one. That way, one need link to only a post instead of an entire thread. Everything would be much more organized, and it would be easier for the mods to detect things such as fake CJ, and where you've learned a specific CJ.

Edit: Curse you AndreJ D:

 

[BazzBee]

Accidentally voted for the wrong poll, no lap dance D;

Tho yea, it's a nice idea, though the main thing which i mostly agreed upon is the Konoha town, a great idea which i strongly agree on.

 

[Lili-Chwan]

I disagree that the rules should be spread out. In fact, I find it really annoying how some of the rules were already spread. We have the Ability Restriction thread, but then have a separate thread for the Restrictions of Double KG, on a completely different section. I believe a section should be created, Rules & Guides, with the subforum Rules for anything restriction and rule related ( Including the elimination of the restrictions of double kg thread, and move it to each ability restriction post that it affects ) and a subforum Guides for anything official and user submitted, ending the problem of the Q&A and elemental guides etc.

On that note, moving the Custom Clan submission thread to the actual Custom submission section is another thing that is long overdue, in my opinion.

I agree entirely with the separation of the non-Naruto RP and the Biography submission section from the KT section. And with the moving of the Announcements to the KT.


I like the prefixes of the trainings, but only to a certain extend. What if I wanted to teach all my customs in one place? Do I really need to separate threads? There's already a ton of links restriction when making the custom jutsu thread itself. Likewise, I might want to teach a student in Fire and Wind, because they compliment each-other, should I have to separate the threads? What about Fire/Wind techniques? Or Wind techniques that require Rasengan and Shadow Clones, should I simply make a thread for the different ninjutsu techniques? I like putting apples in the apple's basket, and oranges in the orange's basket, but somethings aren't as black and white as that.

 

[Delta]

All souns pretty decent to me but one thing bugs me and iv'e never been given a straight answer about it. It's all good and well shifting the Sections around and making them neater but i feel this still isnt adressing issues we have with the RP itself.

For example, iv'e asked on multiple occasions to multiple mods as to why we cannot have a test bio and a special bio, like a Jinchuuriki and a KG bio. Now what i originally though was this was an old rule for when people could use both bio's in the NW at the same time, but alas i was told that is not the reason, so could someone give me a reason as to this, as theres alot of bio's i really want to try attempt at, but the fact is i'll have to drop the one thing i love most in the RP which is Dark release.

Thats my one question to do with bio's seems it is a topic of this thread, there are other issues with the RP but seems this is bio specific it seems, thats as far as i'll go. All in all though the changes to the format seem great and(one of which i think i suggested you at one point) will be a welcomed change for many and myself.

 

[Crutch Kaguya]

Change 1 and Change 2 are purely the format of the site itself. I don't see any other purpose other than removing clutter.
Change 3 is actually really great. I've always believed that NB should have a section for free-form role-play that has nothing to do with the official role-play. But imagined that asking the mods to create a new section or subsection for it would just get ignored. Change 4 is just prefixes. I think people can adapt.


One thing I would like to add is to add prefixes to the biography section as well. Tags could include [Custom], [Custom Clan], [Canon], [Test Biography]. I only say this because my bio was left unchecked for a long period of time assuming it was a test biography. If these tags exist, then mods who check bios don't have to open a thread to see what it's about. A canon bio is obviously easier to check than a custom, because it limited to stricter rules. And a custom Uchiha bio is easier to check than a Custom Clan bio where all the abilities on the bio would have to be verified with Custom Clan abilities. So people certain people can get bios checked faster.

 

[Naruto.]

I like point 4. It seems more neater and well organized.

I don't get a lap dance from Lili! :T_T:

 

[Caliburn]

I like the training suggestions, would certainly clear that section up. Sometimes i misplace something or forget to subscribe and i pretty much just have to wait for whoever that student is to moan at me for not replying before i can ask for a link.
Konoha town idea seems nice also, maybe you could consider doing what most do inside villages already and make it like a "free" RP zone, where people can use random canon bio's to practice and have fun without needing to complete a test and just take a break from the more "serious" RP.

P.S i agreed with all simply for the lapdance, it seems worth it in the long run i guess.

KT is already supposed to be a free RP zone. People can pretty much do whatever they want there, but saying that you use actual bios to RP, well yeah that doesn't really belong there as they way you put it, these people are genuinely fighting, making it serious.

I disagree that the rules should be spread out. In fact, I find it really annoying how some of the rules were already spread. We have the Ability Restriction thread, but then have a separate thread for the Restrictions of Double KG, on a completely different section. I believe a section should be created, Rules & Guides, with the subforum Rules for anything restriction and rule related ( Including the elimination of the restrictions of double kg thread, and move it to each ability restriction post that it affects ) and a subforum Guides for anything official and user submitted, ending the problem of the Q&A and elemental guides etc.

On that note, moving the Custom Clan submission thread to the actual Custom submission section is another thing that is long overdue, in my opinion.

I agree entirely with the separation of the non-Naruto RP and the Biography submission section from the KT section. And with the moving of the Announcements to the KT.


I like the prefixes of the trainings, but only to a certain extend. What if I wanted to teach all my customs in one place? Do I really need to separate threads? There's already a ton of links restriction when making the custom jutsu thread itself. Likewise, I might want to teach a student in Fire and Wind, because they compliment each-other, should I have to separate the threads? What about Fire/Wind techniques? Or Wind techniques that require Rasengan and Shadow Clones, should I simply make a thread for the different ninjutsu techniques? I like putting apples in the apple's basket, and oranges in the orange's basket, but somethings aren't as black and white as that.

Ehm not really sure what you mean with your first comment. The reason why that Rules & Info section was made, was with the idea of having all the rules in one spot, but that just didn't work hence why I'm planning to remove it. What you are suggesting already exists and is not efficient. You want to make a bio and the bio template can be found stuck away somewhere in another section. The most efficient way is that the rules are close to what those rules apply to. Bio rules in the bio section, battle rules in the Battle Arena, Jutsu rules in the Jutsu section. That's also why the RP guide was made, there you have it nearly all in one thread. I didn't make that guide just for people who want to start RP, even veteran RPers might want to take a look at that guide. I mean I already noticed many times that some supposedly experienced Rpers didn't not bother to read the CE part of the guide.

Not really sure what you are referring to with the Ability restriction thread. All the basic universal rules about abilities can be found in the Basic Bio rule thread, both for the abilities in one bio as you 1st bio in relation with your 2nd bio. The Biography section then contains all the specific rules in regards to almost every RP ability. Basic bio rules are universal, top-down, Biography section specific, bottom-up and I'm going to move that subsection to the bio sections so that they are as close as they possibly can be.

The CC thread has been hopping from one place to another, originally it was in the Arena, then again somewhere else, eventually ending up in the bio section. I found it useful for when I need to check CC bios, I already considered moving it to the Jutsu section at the same time this all would be done, but it wasn't really important as that thread is not the most important nor active thread in the RP. Not many people can submit CC and even do it.

And the customs isn't an issue, as I explained the canon training is divided into the specific RP skills, custom training however is simply based around which type of custom skill it is. There is nothing I said that makes it impossible to not teach someone elemental combination jutsu as that alls falls simply under the tag CJ. I don't see any issue either with things like Rasengan and Shadow clones. I'm aware that some sensei probably say 'I'm going to teach you quickly the shadow clone, even though you have not received any other basic ninjutsu training, so that you can use this elemental jutsu that requires you to know the shadow clone', there is no rule that says you can't do that, however deontology seen you shouldn't teach him then that specific elemental ninjutsu till he learned the shadow clone in his ninjutsu training.

Also I can hardly imagine that there are many canon elemental combination jutsu, as far as I know there isn't even such a thread for it in the Jutsu list, meaning that such jutsu are sorted in somewhere and I would say you then just follow the jutsu list. If a fire/wind combo is listed in the katon thread, then teach it when a person is learning katon, if he knows the wind jutsu of course. Overall this is also something very minor and limited, so it's no big deal if if one alien jutsu is taught in another training thread.

The overall point of this system is to bring more structure to the TG and to make it easier to find trainings. In theory every RPer should be able to provide a link to his training when asked, but it happened a lot of times that they weren't able to find it because they forgot from who they learned it, what the title was, or they they learned it in another somewhere in the middle but he couldn't find that thread then. For the record the original suggestion was making separate subsections for each skill, but IMO that would lead to much more confusion as asocial behavior.


Also there are people lying in wait for a lap dance >.>