Religion

[Limbo]

1- False. If you really think that WW2 was just because hitle was against jews, then you lack a lot of information regarding history. WW1 barely had anything about religion at all. It was political and diplomatic issues.
You clearly didn't read everything. It's not about religion. Religion is just an opinion many people share. As I said, the problem is the human nature: the inability to live wityh and accept the differences.
Many wars had religion as a pretext, but they were actually about money and territorry, or about political issues. The religious wars in europe, for exemple. I don't remember who anymore, but there was a country that had one religion as their main religion, yet, they entered a war in another country going against their own religion(because it would be better for the leader to have the other religion as the main one in the other country, as he had good relations with the previous leader). This jsut shows that religion isn't the main point.

2- I have no idea. But yet, it happens, but to prove your point, you're just ignoring it. And I gave other 2 explanations about what you mentioned too.
"There is no such thing as a God" is an assumption as well, as it is unsure as I said. Until we know the truth, people shouldn't be stating their opinions as if they were facts and scream "IT'S A FACT". Goes for both sides.
Being religious is not like you said: dedicating their "pathetic"(insulting again) lives to God and willing to kill themselves for him. Those are fanatics, so stop putting all religious people in the same spot. They just believe in a God and wants to follow that idea. People believe in it and follow it in different ways.
If a person follows some of principles, such as: respect and love other people, don't kill or steal. If they follow that, believing in God or not, they might turn into good citizens. So, believin in God isn't a problem.

Godamnit bro, i can't read all that seriously. ur probably right but sure, i respct ur opinion U_U

 

[HadouKage]

What about death? Did God give a chance not to kill and eat when you are hungry?

Actually, it was said back in the book of Genesis that we were not suppose to kill and eat animals. All we that were suppose to eat came from the ground. In other words what ever we could make from plants and crops were what we suppose to eat. If you know about the book of Genesis than you know that after that fruit was eaten from the tree of knowledge, then everything went out of whack

What's wrong with killing to eat? God made animals for us to survive from.

What if I told you, the ancestors of carnivores were herbivores ?

 

[Made in Heaven]

Yes, that and also the universe is chaotic. A perfect creator could have made it more friendly or not?

But, if you do believe in a god, you also believe that death doesn't destroy you, it takes you to god, so it's not like it's something sad.

THe universe is chaotic, yes, but that's God's way of showing his power, through things such as black holes, which are capable of even swallowing stars.

 

[Douryoku]

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Man..I've been typing so much today.

Some think that God is an imaginary being that people believe on faith to make them feel good. However, it also takes faith to be an atheist. An atheist must believe that DNA is the result of chance. The DNA molecule is like a very complicated computer program. And any program will have a programmer. Nobody would believe that Windows 7 or Google Chrome is the result of chance, but many believe that the human brain that created Windows 7 and Google Chrome is the result of chance. Below is a picture of Mount Rushmore. Four faces were carved out of solid rock. It was caused by a process of time and chance. Over the course of many years, wind, rain and blowing sand carved the faces in the rock:

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That sounds ridiculous to claim that erosion carved the faces into the rock, right? But, many people believe that the men who are depicted in the rock carving and the people who carved the rock are a result of a process of time and chance. I myself believed it for many years. A living thing is much more complex that a rock. It should sound just as ridiculous to say that life began by a process of time and chance.

Life can't just happen by chance, not could the big bang. It's literally impossible.

Every thing that has a beginning, has to have someone that made it. For example, a Book has a beginning, and the creator is the author. And it has been agreed upon by scientists that the universe had a beginning, it began to exist. So that would mean the universe has a creator, and that is Allah... See, you say it seems perposterous and ridiculous, but that is only because you don't understand Allah. For instance, do you think an ant or butterfly could understand the way humans work, and understand their knowledge? no. similarly, humans have trouble with understand Allah. You believe Allah can't see everything, but that's because your idea of what someone is able to see is limited to human knowledge. moreover, the universe is so vast and complex, and Allah created it, he created all these complex designs and laws we see around us... so why would it seem absurd that he can see everything and know everything, when he MADE everything to begin with? I really don't think it is

We exist, right? We either came from something, or we came from nothing. We know nothing can produce nothing, because there's nothing there. If you've ever seen nothing produce something, let me know, k? We KNOW we can't have come from nothing, therefore we must have come from something. Now this something must either be eternal or temporary...But all temporal things have a beginning, so this something has to be eternal, with no beginning or end. Now, this can either be a living being, or a lifeless process, but all evidence shows that all life comes from other life...therefore, god MUST exist.

Intelligent design is a very, very 'schoolboy argument', and I'll explain why:

Imagine a puddle waking up and thinking: wow, I am perfectly placed to exist, the temperature is perfect so that I do not evaporate or freeze, and therefore the universe must have been created specifically to cater to me.

Not only is this arrogant, because this Earth is like a drop of water in the ocean within the relative scale of the universe, possibly even less than that, and ALL of that was created JUST for you? Such egoism; it's the same kind of fallacious reasoning that people used when they asserted that the sun orbited us: that we must be so great that the sun orbits us.

Secondly, the universe is not built for us; it is the other way around. We exist because we adapted to do so in the environment in which we exist. In the same respect, the puddle only exists because the hole in which it exists in is sufficiently large for it, and therefore it's existence is, once again, the product of the universe: not the other way around.

Why can't life have arbitrarily come into existence? This 'intelligent design' argument is such a weak one. You think the universe is perfect to house us, yes?

This video (

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) is presented by a man with a PhD in Astrophysics (I think) and he graduated top of his class from Harvard. He is definitely certified, and it is he along with others who reclassified Pluto, therefore he is reliable. Anyway, just watch that video, and then rethink your argument.

1. 'The eye is amazing'—no, it can hardly see most of the visible light spectrum
2. Earthquakes and Tsunamis cause plenty of death
3. We are on a collision course with another galaxy
4. 90% of all life that once existed is not extinct
5. It took 3.5 billion years to make multi-cellular life (God's being a bit slow, methinks)
6. Most places in the universe kill life instantly

There are many, intelligent design is simply wrong.​

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[Wolfus]

To all of those discussing about God's existence: This is NOT the point of the thread. It never was. I should've put this as number 3 in the conditions. The point of the thread is to show that religious people must be respect and must have their rights just like anybody else.

As I said, nobody knows if God exists or not, nobody knows how everything came to be. We don't have theories about the origin of the universe with enough evidences to be considered the truth.

People can believe in whatever they want to: that won't make them stupid or evil. That's my point.
Until we find the truth, stop stating what you think as a fact. And stop fighting because of it.

Learn to live, to respect, and to accept the diferences. Damn it. Did I write all of that for nothing? Help me out here.

 

[itachi4real]

Bold is false. Religion is not what causes fights and wars. People and their inability to accept and leave with the differences is what causes the fights. It's the human nature. We humans have a hard time living with different habibits, opinions and characteristics. Whenever we face these differences, we first try to overcome them by putting our characteristics into the opposite group. If this fails, we'll try to eliminate the differences: then, we try to segregate and opress the opposite group. If that fails, we try to kill them.
The thing is that the other group shall do the same, then, it's war.

As I said, if we got by evidences, we won't believe in anything related to the origin of the universe. That's why I said that people can believe in what they want, because all of this is unsure.

People usually say this: "If God exists, then why he let people die". I have to things to say: And what about those so called miracles, when the probability of a person living is almost none, doctors almost giving up, and yet, the person lives? Then it's just luck, right? But when a person dies, it's because God let it, and then he doesn't exist. This is a double standard.
Anoter thing is: because maybe, if there is a God, he is not the type that directly changes the lives of people. Maybe he would just have created everything, and then he decided to see how would that turn out.
Or maybe we're so f*cked up that, if there is a god, even he gave up on us.

I don't agree with "people believe in god because they fear death". I think everybody has their reasons to believe in a god. This might be one of them? Of course, but it's not the only one.

Yea sure religion doesnt cause wars but it does blind people from the truth/ facts. I witness this everyday. Religion has destroyed this world. Dont feel like explaining why tho

 

[Sasuke2]

What's wrong with killing to eat? God made animals for us to survive from.

Except humans are animals species too, that's a very selfish and supercilious to think something was created only to serve a purpose for another thing. Also one animal kills another and can even kill a human, the whole idea behind "kill to survive" is wrong and not morally perfect.

 

[avenged sevenfold]

To all of those discussing about God's existence: This is NOT the point of the thread. It never was. I should've put this as number 3 in the conditions. The point of the thread is to show that religious people must be respect and must have their rights just like anybody else.

As I said, nobody knows if God exists or not, nobody knows how everything came to be. We don't have theories about the origin of the universe with enough evidences to be considered the truth.

People can believe in whatever they want to: that won't make them stupid or evil. That's my point.
Until we find the truth, stop stating what you think as a fact. And stop fighting because of it.

Learn to live, to respect, and to accept the diferences. Damn it. Did I write all of that for nothing? Help me out here.

Whenever religion is brought up on the base people always end up arguing regardless of what is said in the thread, its not your fault dude you just tried to get people to respect each other

 

[HadouKage]

To all of those discussing about God's existence: This is NOT the point of the thread. It never was. I should've put this as number 3 in the conditions. The point of the thread is to show that religious people must be respect and must have their rights just like anybody else.

As I said, nobody knows if God exists or not, nobody knows how everything came to be. We don't have theories about the origin of the universe with enough evidences to be considered the truth.

People can believe in whatever they want to: that won't make them stupid or evil. That's my point.
Until we find the truth, stop stating what you think as a fact. And stop fighting because of it.

Learn to live, to respect, and to accept the diferences. Damn it. Did I write all of that for nothing? Help me out here.

If people are asking questions, do you not suppose we not respond? I mean I gave my opinion in my first post. But if people want to debate, then why not? You can debate and be Bash free

 

[Made in Heaven]

Thank you for taking the time to type this and I understand why you think the way you do but I must respectfully disagree. DNA is programmed by molecules and data that was created by the sperm and egg and therefore carried on by multiplication.

I know that, I'm saying where did the FIRST creatures come from. Where did life begin and who did it?

I'm not really sure what you meant by the rock carving but what i'm getting from what you said is that that it was by chance that the faces are like this. If this is the case then I believe you are wrong, the faces were carved not by chance but by people in respect to the presidents. If this is not the case then I apologize.

I was being sarcastic. No one would believe those faces came by chance; so why do atheists believe WE living creatures, who are far more complex, came into existence by chance?

The big bang to the best of my knowledge was created by hot particles that constantly rubbed together and eventually blew up creating the universe as we know it. I'm sure it is more complicated than that but this is just how I understand it.

Of course, I agree with the big bang theory.

We are created from sperm and eggs not from allah (this is just what I believe) and its kinda proven that we come from this, rather than being made from a god.

I know we are the product of man and woman, but like I said above, where did the first lifeforms come into being and by who?

 

[Cabbage]

@Adrahman:
In what ways did religion (in particular the ecclesiastical portions of religion) hold influence upon the initiation of WWI?

 

[avenged sevenfold]

I know that, I'm saying where did the FIRST creatures come from. Where did life begin and who did it?

The first creatures were made from organisms that adapted to nature and evolved from then on. I don't know fully how it works

I was being sarcastic. No one would believe those faces came by chance; so why do atheists believe WE living creatures, who are far more complex, came into existence by chance?

Ah my apologies then

Of course, I agree with the big bang theory.



I know we are the product of man and woman, but like I said above, where did the first lifeforms come into being and by who?

I did my best explaining it but as I've said I have a limited understanding

 

[Made in Heaven]

Except humans are animals species too, that's a very selfish and supercilious to think something was created only to serve a purpose for another thing. Also one animal kills another and can even kill a human, the whole idea behind "kill to survive" is wrong and not morally perfect.

Humans are animals; yes; they are also considered in Islam to be god's best creation, even superior than Angels and Jinns. God created the earth and the life on it is there to support and sustain each other. Animals are meant to be one of God's many signs to humans. It's to show how vast his knowledge is, how he can create many different things.

Animal's killing animal's for food is okay, because like I said, death isn't meant to be something sad, it's meant to be happy. Killing for no reason is wrong however.

 

[Wolfus]

Yea sure religion doesnt cause wars but it does blind people from the truth/ facts. I witness this everyday. Religion has destroyed this world. Dont feel like explaining why tho

No, it's not. Did you even bother to read the posts?
I explained in the thread that those who get blind because of religious are fanatics, and many religious people are not fanatics. The point of the thread is to make you see that religious people are different from one another, and you shouldn't jugde them because of a single belief.
Read the thread first.

 

[HadouKage]

I did my best explaining it but as I've said I have a limited understanding

One other thing that I would like to know is that supposdely, energy has always existed no? So why all of a sudden at a point and time did the big bang want to occur at that point that the Earth was created instead of at an earlier or later time? Where is the proof for that?

 

[Wolfus]

If people are asking questions, do you not suppose we not respond? I mean I gave my opinion in my first post. But if people want to debate, then why not? You can debate and be Bash free

Debate is one thing, sure. But insulting each other? Besides, it's not even the point of the thread.

 

[xLucyx]

Hmm, I don't agree with all the three aspects, especially B. A few years ago a few fundamentalism christen people said to me that I'll come into hell and that I'm very bad if I don't hurry up becoming a christen. I don't like fundamentalism christens, moslims, hindoes, or whatever religion. They want you to become one of them and I'm actually a little scared of them. I've never seen a fundamentalist that was nice to me.

 

[HadouKage]

Humans are animals; yes; they are also considered in Islam to be god's best creation, even superior than Angels and Jinns. God created the earth and the life on it is there to support and sustain each other. Animals are meant to be one of God's many signs to humans. It's to show how vast his knowledge is, how he can create many different things.

Animal's killing animal's for food is okay, because like I said, death isn't meant to be something sad, it's meant to be happy. Killing for no reason is wrong however.

I'm not familiar with Islam, do you have a scripture from the beginning of man and woman? Like the first book, the equivalent of the Book of Genesis?

 

[Turson]

How does it harm anyone?

Actually, they arent as far away as you think - supernovas happens in our galaxy too. We are just lucky that our planet isnt located in one of spiral arms, where they happen more often. If it was, human kind and our civilization most probably wouldnt have time to develolop. But even with that, its almost certain that some of mass extinctions in history of our planet were caused by supernovas, they just werent close enough to wipe out life completely.

Considering that how large the universe is, and how old it is there must have been some civilizations that were wiped out by novas, or some other catastrophes like collision with meteorite. Things like this just happens spontaneously.

 

[Mattek2008]

I'm not one to discuss these things, so here are my thoughts.

I don't give a Flying **** what you belive, what you like/dislike or what your sexual orientation is. If people are nice, threat others with respect, and don't hate on others who are diffrent from them, i don't care. Just don't shove your beliefs down my throat and we're cool.

Live and let live, for **** sake.