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Hi, everyone. Today I'm going to discuss something that is related to religion. So, before you post on this thread, I ask you 2 things.

1- Read everything. If I'm wasting my time writing it it's because I want it to be fully read. You can read one of the topics(A, B OR C) and comment about the one you read, if you don't have time.
2- Don't start those wars. They're pointless and will make everybody look bad.


If you're not willing to follow what I asked, then leave the thread, since your post will become pointless.


Let's begin. The topics I'll be discussing is: disrespect towards religious people and double standards.

A-I've seen, mostly on the internet, that some people state that "all religious people are stupid, because they believe in something that doesn't exist". This is a mistake, and I'll explain why.

There are many religious people all over the world, and even when they belong to the same religion, they're very different among themselves, what they do, how they believe in something. One should never judge a person because of a single belief.

Now, their belief. Usually, religious people believe that a god(a superior ultimate being with the power to control everything) or gods created the universe and life. Now, it is true that there is barely any evidence that would support the existence of God or gods. However, the origin of the universe is unsure:
We currently have theories that would explain that origin(the most fambous being the big bang theory), but these theories don't have many evidenes either. As far as I checked, there isn't enough evidence to consider any of these theories a fact,a truth. My point is that the origin of the universe is still unsure, and people are allowed to have their beliefs, because we don't know for sure what's the real truth.

Basically, people are not stupid by having a belief about something that is unsure.

Another thing: What will show if you're smart or not is the way you believe in something: smart people won't let a belief blind him towards discoveries, towards scientific facts. A smart person won't let a belief harm his learning, his school education, the knowledge he will discover.
If a person has a belief, but he/she is still able to learn and understand the subjects in school, to succed in his academic life, and to understand and accept different opinions and costumes, this person is not dumb.
This is what will show if a person is smart or not, not a belief.

Those who let some belief blind themselves toawrds reality and many other things, those are fanatics. But many religious people are not religious fanatics.

People who say that all religious people are stupid have a prejudice, and they are allowing this prejudice to blind them. Basically, they're becoming fanatics themselves. Judging a person's intelligence by one belief is a mistake, and it's a not smart action either.

Basically, being religious doesn't mean being dumb, being an atheist doesn't mean being smart.

Of course, there is the opposite side of the coin: i've seen fanatics claiming that atheists are bad people, because they don't follow God, but that's not true either. It's their actions within society that will show if their bad people or not, not some belief(or lack of belief). i'm not focusing on this, though, because the first situation I've seen more often. But this is worth to be mentioned

B- I've seen people saying that: "religious people don't deserve to be respected, because they killed many others".
This is also a mistake.


As I explained above,fanaticism is different from religion. Those who did it on the past are fanatics, and obviously, they were wrong to do that. However, as I explained, you can't blaim an entire group because of what fanatics did, considering that are many in this group that are not fanatics.
It's even worse when it happened huntreds of years ago. The times changed. There is no more inquisition, even the fanatics don't do that anymore. Some habits of a religion changed, and so did the religious people Religious people are not asgardians nor ash(pokemon). They don't live for huntreds of years. So saying that "oh, you religious people killed many others..." is a mistake, because those who live these days are not those who killed many years ago, and as I explained, it's bnot because they have the same belief that they are the same people.

Another thing. Religious people are citizens, and as any citizen, they must be respected. Of course, this doesn't happen always, people disrespect each other constantly. However, this doesn't mean they shouldn't be respected. As long as they follow their duties as citizens, it's their right to be respected, and nobody should take away other people's rights.

It's even worse when people are defending the rights of some group, but at the same time, they say something like this. It's hypocrisy.

C- "People shouldn't talk about their religion in public". This is also a mistake.

As I explained above, people are allowed to have this belief in this matter. There is no probelm with that. They are allowed to have their opinions.
As I said, they are citizens, and as citizens, they have right to express their opinions(freedom of speed) when they want to. Again, taking away people's right is a mistake that will only lead to fights and hatred.

What religious people CAN'T do is try to push their belief into people's throat. Everybody is allowed to have opinions, and they are allowed to disagree with religios people too. It's their right.
Many fanatics trty to do that, and that is something they can't do.
But you can't blaim all religious people for that. Talking about religion in public and pushing it into people's throat are very different things.

Besides, not only religious fanatics push things into people's throat. Some fanatic atheists also do the same thing. Trying to say that all religious people are stupid, saying that they believe in an imaginary friend, and trying to opress religious people because of their belief is another way to push what they stand for into people's throat.
Atheists are not better nor worse than religious people. So, in the same way religious people can't do that, atheists can't either.

This is it. I hope everybody read it and I hope you'll follow the conditions I mentioned above. Sorry for the long thread, thanks for the attention.
 
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I agree with all 3 statements.

First of all, people are people, and people are dependent of their culture, so you cant say that all religous people are the same, this is not true and its catogorisation which is basicly atheism.

Religon does have alot to do with morale, this is true, i dont think that my grandma is secretly killing people and insande because people claim religon is by definition those things.


Religon has never been a problem for me until i watched the propagandamovie Religoulos.

Atheism claims to want nothing to do with religon, yet they are the ones forcing opinions on me, they are the ones attacking religon and making a fuzz about it.

People are people.
 
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I can't read all that, sorry.

God doesn't exist, the only proof that god exist is a book, even spiderman is more trustworthy, he is in a book and movie U_U
This is exaclty the kind of thing I talked about in the thread. Disrespect towards peoplle's belief and it's explanations. Thank you for showing the point of my thread.
 

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This is exaclty the kind of thing I talked about in the thread. Disrespect towards peoplle's belief and it's explanations. Thank you for showing the point of my thread.
I meant no disrespct, i just mean that there is no reason to beilive in god, what if it was a few dudes that were trolling around, now the entire world is getting destroyed by the so called ''religion'', i have one question, if ''God'' exist, why does he let 2 year kids die from diseases? My cousin died from cancer, he was 4 years old, ''god'' is just something people beilive in because they want something to lean on, because they're afraid of what happens after you die.
 
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A very well put post OP. But expecting quality responses was a mistake. It's not like certain individuals suddenly vanish and won't make an appearance whenever possible to start trolling and a war.
 

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I agree that religious people deserve respect and all that because they are people as well. With the theories on the origin of the universe it does seem more likely that the big bang was the origin of the universe and we're pretty close to calling it fact. I may not agree with religion but religious people still deserve respect for what they believe in
 

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I like this kind of attitude, I'm an atheist (or rather agnostic) and I don't have a positive opinion on religion, but you may be one of the few religious people that I actually respect. You see, if a God exists doesn't really concern me at all. If he/she/it is real, then I will just have to accept it and move on (until then, I don't see the need to believe in something without factual evidence, but I'm leaving the possibility open) the issue isn't "if" a God exist, but "which" does.

That's why I don't like religion, because each side is 100% certain that their God is real and of another faith false, that their laws and morals are correct and so on. It's just like watching children beating each other over a candy.

I think there should be just 1 universal religion.
 
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I meant no disrespct, i just mean that there is no reason to belive in god, what if it was a few dudes that were trolling around, now the entire world is getting destroyed be the so called ''religion'', i have one question, if ''God'' exist, why does he let 2 year kids die from diseases? My cousin died from cancer, he was 4 years old, ''god'' is just something people belive in because they want something to lean on, because they're afraid of what happens after you die.
Bold is false. Religion is not what causes fights and wars. People and their inability to accept and leave with the differences is what causes the fights. It's the human nature. We humans have a hard time living with different habibits, opinions and characteristics. Whenever we face these differences, we first try to overcome them by putting our characteristics into the opposite group. If this fails, we'll try to eliminate the differences: then, we try to segregate and opress the opposite group. If that fails, we try to kill them.
The thing is that the other group shall do the same, then, it's war.

As I said, if we got by evidences, we won't believe in anything related to the origin of the universe. That's why I said that people can believe in what they want, because all of this is unsure.

People usually say this: "If God exists, then why he let people die". I have to things to say: And what about those so called miracles, when the probability of a person living is almost none, doctors almost giving up, and yet, the person lives? Then it's just luck, right? But when a person dies, it's because God let it, and then he doesn't exist. This is a double standard.
Anoter thing is: because maybe, if there is a God, he is not the type that directly changes the lives of people. Maybe he would just have created everything, and then he decided to see how would that turn out.
Or maybe we're so f*cked up that, if there is a god, even he gave up on us.

I don't agree with "people believe in god because they fear death". I think everybody has their reasons to believe in a god. This might be one of them? Of course, but it's not the only one.
 

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I like this kind of attitude, I'm an atheist (or rather agnostic) and I don't have a positive opinion on religion, but you may be one of the few religious people that I actually respect. You see, if a God exists doesn't really concern me at all. If he/she/it is real, then I will just have to accept it and move on (until then, I don't see the need to believe in something without factual evidence, but I'm leaving the possibility open) the issue isn't "if" a God exist, but "which" does.

That's why I don't like religion, because each side is 100% certain that their God is real and of another faith false, that their laws and morals are correct and so on. It's just like watching children beating each other over a candy.

I think there should be just 1 universal religion.
I agree with this guy.

There is not a single proof of ''God'' existence.
 
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