Edo Hiruzen vs Kakuzu

[Brother Numpsay]

Intel: Manga

Location: Current

Condition:​

-Kakuzu's Jingou can counter-act as a seal, once Hiruzen is vulnerable/Edo regenerating from a direct hit.
-Kakuzu featless-forth-Mask can use Water Release. Water Mask can do with with Kakuzu's hand sign[

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](With the same scale as all his ninjutsu) and default water attack, no hand sign's[

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].
-(While the original heart, the 5th heart, has Earth.)

Who wins?

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PS: PLEASE READ THE CONDITIONS CAREFULLY​

 

[TheEvilOne]

Hiruzen low-mid diff. His attacks are apparently stronger then Kakuzu's elemental combos. And he even has Enma who can break Kakuzu's masks.

 

[blazekev90]

Kakuzu gets stomped low diff

 

[Souji]

EDO Hiruzen?

LOW diff.

Alive Hiruzen?

Mid diff.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Alive Hiruzen gets raped just as easily as Edo Hiruzen rapes Kakuzu.

 

[Bronze]

Edo Hiruzen high diff.

 

[Murasame]

Lol wonder what Zexion will say to this



ot: Idk I'm not totally bought by Hiruzen's new feat so I'm slightly favoring Kakuzu

 

[Draegod]

Alive Hiruzen gets raped just as easily as Edo Hiruzen rapes Kakuzu.

He rapes Tsunade! Fuq this thread!

 

[TheEvilOne]

He rapes Tsunade! Fuq this thread!

Yup, Edo Hiruzen defeats even Tsunade.

 

[Ababeel]

Hiruzn wins.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I can see a case for both of them, which is why I made this thread.

 

[EliteKakashi]

Erm, you do know the "no hand signs" attack you gave Kakuzu's suiton mask is not a suiton attack, right? That's just Fukasaku's tongue.

Spoiler

Fighting Tongue* Slash (舌戦斬, Zessenzan)
Ninjutsu, Senjutsu, No rank, Offensive, All ranges
User: Fukasaku

If one has a tongue, one is ready to bisect
The flavour of that slash is like a battle axe!!

By kneading senjutsu chakra, Fukasaku's long tongue gains utmost solidity and a slash flavoured like an excellent sword. It then leaps from his mouth with great speed, even tearing a hole in the bedrock. With that ground-splitting power, the enemy is cut in half

↓Fukasaku's tongue flies at the target with tremendous force.
[picture of Fukasaku shooting out his tongue]

[picture of Pain's chameleon summon being cut in half]
→The way the both the enemy and the ground itself are cut apart is reminiscent of the strike of a great sword.

*Zessen is written with the kanji for "tongue" and "battle". It can be translated as "To battle with tongues". I decided to lay the emphasis on the use of tongues, turning it into "fighting tongue". In normal use, however, it means "war of words," or "verbal dispute". Just like Fukasaku and Shima are having all the time.

Anyway, Hiruzen's elemental attacks are on a completely different level than what Kakuzu has shown. The biggest issue here lies in if Hiruzen is aware of what Jiongu is and if he catches Domu being used. Otherwise, Kakuzu can play dead after getting the shit knocked out of him by Enma and just catch Hiruzen by surprise with Jiongu, and seal him.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Edo Hiruzen is slapping a Buddha that was manhandling 4 Kages, Sakura, 10% Katsuyu, and thousands of kyuubi chakra enhanced fodder.

Kakuzu's best manhandling feat is manhandling 3 fodders at once.

I think it's safe to say that edo/pseudo-prime Hiruzen beats a majority of the Akatsuki through sheer powerscaling.

 

[Draegod]

Yup, Edo Hiruzen defeats even Tsunade.

Edo Hiruzen has shown nothing different. Alive Hiruzen with Manga Hiruzen Feats Shits on Sakura and Tsunade.

 

[Bronze]

Edo Hiruzen is slapping a Buddha that was manhandling 4 Kages, Sakura, 10% Katsuyu, and thousands of kyuubi chakra enhanced fodder.

Kakuzu's best manhandling feat is manhandling 3 fodders at once.

I think it's safe to say that edo/pseudo-prime Hiruzen beats a majority of the Akatsuki through sheer powerscaling.

He wasn't beating it. He was only blocking the attack and barely.

 

[TheEvilOne]

Edo Hiruzen has shown nothing different. Alive Hiruzen with Manga Hiruzen Feats Shits on Sakura and Tsunade.

Edo Hiruzen can't run out of chakra. ALive Hiruzen would collapse after performing an attack like this. He gets raped by Tsunade and he gets defeated by Sakura with high diff.
Prime Hiruzen with high chakra levels is a different story.

 

[EliteKakashi]

He wasn't beating it. He was only blocking the attack and barely.

What exactly was "barely" about this?

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Met it halfway and stopped it there. Nothing barely about it.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Erm, you do know the "no hand signs" attack you gave Kakuzu's suiton mask is not a suiton attack, right? That's just Fukasaku's tongue.

Spoiler

Fighting Tongue* Slash (舌戦斬, Zessenzan)
Ninjutsu, Senjutsu, No rank, Offensive, All ranges
User: Fukasaku

If one has a tongue, one is ready to bisect
The flavour of that slash is like a battle axe!!

By kneading senjutsu chakra, Fukasaku's long tongue gains utmost solidity and a slash flavoured like an excellent sword. It then leaps from his mouth with great speed, even tearing a hole in the bedrock. With that ground-splitting power, the enemy is cut in half

↓Fukasaku's tongue flies at the target with tremendous force.
[picture of Fukasaku shooting out his tongue]

[picture of Pain's chameleon summon being cut in half]
→The way the both the enemy and the ground itself are cut apart is reminiscent of the strike of a great sword.

*Zessen is written with the kanji for "tongue" and "battle". It can be translated as "To battle with tongues". I decided to lay the emphasis on the use of tongues, turning it into "fighting tongue". In normal use, however, it means "war of words," or "verbal dispute". Just like Fukasaku and Shima are having all the time.

Anyway, Hiruzen's elemental attacks are on a completely different level than what Kakuzu has shown. The biggest issue here lies in if Hiruzen is aware of what Jiongu is and if he catches Domu being used. Otherwise, Kakuzu can play dead after getting the shit knocked out of him by Enma and just catch Hiruzen by surprise with Jiongu, and seal him.

Your right, but the first panel shows water being use as support for its cutting power (before compress). I was using that as an example as much if I were to show Tobirama's water cutter.

 

[Sendai Aka No Ou]

Hiruzen stomps. Overkill.

 

[Avinash012]

Hiruzen > Kakuzu.