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Totsuka No Tsurugi
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*sigh Butthurt much ? Ballon D'or is base on individual performance, SMH Leo is not even as upset as you are, i don't even said anything about Messi in my initial post LOL
so suck it up there's still next year and just pray that Leo don't pick up any injury....
By the way just ignore the mad messi fanboy, here's Cristiano and Leo top 3
Cr7 : Radamel Falcao Gareth Bale Mesut Ozil
Messi : Iniesta Xavi Neymar
so suck it up there's still next year and just pray that Leo don't pick up any injury....
By the way just ignore the mad messi fanboy, here's Cristiano and Leo top 3
Cr7 : Radamel Falcao Gareth Bale Mesut Ozil
Messi : Iniesta Xavi Neymar
Nothing against CR, but its funny when Messi won the award in 2010, Sneijder deserved it after his treble by his fans (CR), but CR wins it all about being the best individual in 2013 and neglecting Ribery treble.
Anyways Congrats to CR on winning the award, well deserved.
Anyways Congrats to CR on winning the award, well deserved.
Ronaldo did deserve it this year. Had to have a little chuckle at the list showing who voted for who though.
Messi voted for:
1. Iniesta
2. Xavi
3. Neymar
Whilst Ronaldo voted for:
1. Falcao
2. Bale
3. Özil
Talking about keeping it political. Both too afraid to even vote for eachother
Messi voted for:
1. Iniesta
2. Xavi
3. Neymar
Whilst Ronaldo voted for:
1. Falcao
2. Bale
3. Özil
Talking about keeping it political. Both too afraid to even vote for eachother
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Totsuka No Tsurugi
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Well the WC qualifiers involved 3 front runner, Zlatan,Ribery and Cr7, so its not in favor for anyone everyone has their advantage, but TBH its a disadvantage for Cr7 because peop;e actually think Portugal will lost to Sweden,
and also its just in 1 game that the fans campaign for him, compared to Ribery whose been going around blabbering about him being better than Leo and Cr7 in 2013 and how he deserve to win the award....
@Relax i move on from that and we all know we finished that skirmish a long time ago, if Sneijder didn't win i see no reason why Ribery is in the top 3,
and by the way just like Sneijder, Ribery won the vote when it comes to the journalist..........
Well deserved CR7
But honestly the Ballon dor is full of crap, they overlook a lot of amazing players and goals, I mean we can ALL AGREE that Peter Crouches goal against Man City 24/03/12 was way better than Neymar and Matic yet he isn't even in the line up, why?? How on earth can you overlook a goal like that?
Why aren't players like Aguero, Falcoa or Rooney even thought about in the Ballon dor? They have Ribery in the line up yet in the preview video at the actual Ballon dor ceremony they show Robben giving the assists and scoring the goals. Seriously WTF ballon dor??
But honestly the Ballon dor is full of crap, they overlook a lot of amazing players and goals, I mean we can ALL AGREE that Peter Crouches goal against Man City 24/03/12 was way better than Neymar and Matic yet he isn't even in the line up, why?? How on earth can you overlook a goal like that?
Why aren't players like Aguero, Falcoa or Rooney even thought about in the Ballon dor? They have Ribery in the line up yet in the preview video at the actual Ballon dor ceremony they show Robben giving the assists and scoring the goals. Seriously WTF ballon dor??
And I understand that wasn't just directed at you, but just in general and people are still going on about it.
"I am not a selfish player and the Fifa Ballon d'Or was not an objective of mine," Ribery was quoted as saying by Bild.
LOL
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Actually, I still maintain that. For me, the Ballon D'Or was a real deal before FIFA merged with it and in that respect, Sneijder and Ribery both deserved it. Actually, both won the journalists vote in either case. But then, let's see it in the proper way - if Sneijder (or Iniesta) never won it, I don't see any reason why Ribery should.
It all but confirms that now, team success is a criteria that doesn't tilt Ballon D'Or success like it used to before. And it confirms the domination of exceptional talents over Ballon D'Or - that are Ronaldo and Messi over the next 5years and more...Whether it's a good thing or bad thing, we must now accept that with FIFA, it's an individual award now. And in that respect, big congrats to Ronaldo who was downright amazing and an outstanding winner in that respect.
And quite frankly, it would have been a real shame in football history if an outstanding player like Ronaldo didn't win it more than once.
Actually, it's a clear Messi v/s Ronaldo battle now every single year...except if both get injured. The 3 players - Suarez, Bale & Neymar - who show amazing talents to carry a team on their shoulders individually, are now either playing alongside Messi/CR7 or outside of the illustrious Champions League. In a way, 2 possible challengers to defy one of the most fierce duo of football rivals in a decade, are now in the shadow of both Messi/Ronaldo. It's a monopoly; team success won't really affect that, except if Madrid/Barca are winners. Perhaps, the closest outsider to really try to break Messi/Ronaldo's power on Ballon D'Or would be Zlatan. Provided PSG win the CL (obviously treble), then for sure, Zlatan would make for a more enviable challenge than Sneijder/Ribery/Iniesta. Because, he'll be a winner with solid pedigree and a player who isn't million lights away from the genius skills of Messi/CR7; unlike Ribery/Sneijder/Iniesta.
Hahahaha, this is hilarious. I got French channels on my place; frankly their butthurt comments and journalism after Ronaldo's speech were priceless.
Totsuka No Tsurugi
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So it was directed to me after all xd....
LOL @Ribery statement i mean this guy has been campaigning for Ballon D'or for 6 months he said something like 'Its now or never'
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Individually, Iniesta will never be a match-decider like Ronaldo/Messi.
No disrespect to Iniesta who's an outstanding player in every means, but he isn't a match-winner on a constant basis like those 2 or even Suarez, Zlatan ect...
Iniesta should definitely go down as one of the greatest football player ever, but still, he's still just a wonder player of a wonderful edifice of a team; be it for Spain or Barca. Pretty much the same criticism that Sneijder faced in 2010 that Inter's triumph should equally be distributed to Mourinho's tactics, Julio Cesar, Maicon, Eto'o, D.Milito ect... And again same thing, many football fans argued that several other Bayern players should have been credited to same level as Ribery.
Also, it's not really a matter of individual skills. Charisma and persona also play a huge part. Take all those players - Ronaldo, Messi, Zlatan, Neymar, Suarez ect... Those are players with big persona, big ego, big charisma, the star player of their teams, the captain armband for many of them, heavily promoted by their sides as a superstar.
Great players like Ribery, Iniesta ect... won't win it, because they share the spotlight. Ronaldo, Messi and Co. don't share the spotlight or look for the spotlight - it's the spotlight who looks for them!!!
With the merging of FIFA with France Football, Ballon D'Or is not for football players - It Is For Football Stars!
True but i watch iniesta week in week out in laliga and the dude is phoenomenal not a game changer as messi or neymar as he is lacking in goals but then again he is a midfielder, messi and ronaldo importance are sometimes exagerrated in thier indvidual teams in my opinion and i say this because if you watched madrid last season with ozil who not only scores goals but makes brilliant passes and runs you will see madrid arent the same side, though isco is good but nowhere near a game changer or a star as ozil was to madrid and as important as iniesta. Isnt to barcelona, however on an indvidual level i think iniesta on his best day isnt light years away from the duo. Frankly ribery would have stood a higher chance if his goal tally was improved even if he ended the year with 40-50 no where ronaldo who netted close to 70 he would have had a real chance. Also do you agree with the worldXI? Well heres mine.
Neur,thiagosilva,hummels,lahm,alaba
Iniesta ribery scheweingster
Ibra messi and ronaldo
I must applaud fifa though because they finally removed pique who hasnt been what he used to be since 2011 but its still a suprise how ramos whose defense is just hilarious is there i mean the dudes red card tally and rash decisions is quite alot lol his not that bad of a defender but like pique not one deserving to be on this list. Then removing alves and exchanging for alaba would be good. Its also funny how the english league doesnt have any player here lol, guess its really the best league in the world. .__.
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Well, obviously, Ribery would have had a higher chance if he scored around 35-40 goals. With the recklessness that Bayern destroyed opposition, if Ribery tripled his score tally, then perhaps he wouldn't have needed to campaign for the Ballon D'Or! Because, then Bayern would have had actually look like a wonderful team with Ribery as a standout player.
As for your stern defense of Iniesta, I respect it. But you know very well, that those points won't be as valid as mine, if we analyze from FIFA point-of-view. It's not that I like that charisma, stats or game-changing ability, are such crucial factors now. In fact, I hate it- but it's like that now! And unfortunately,despite all your admiration for Iniesta, you know, as well as me, that Iniesta will probably always remain lightyears away from having a credible chance of winning Ballon D'Or with CR7/Messi & Co. around.
For Ozil, I'm a big big fan of the player, but let's not only mention his outstanding strong point. He's also often inconsistent in certain matches.
The FIFA XI is an utter joke. I didn't even bother, looking at it, after last year's hilariously awful-lineup.
Okay, this year is a lil' better but still poor from many points. Dante should be there instead of Ramos. Same for Alaba instead of Alves. Schweinsteiger is an obvious choice instead of Xavi.
Now, about two debatable choices - Zlatan & Iniesta.
Iniesta had a good season in La Liga; though not his best one. On the contrary, Gundogan was key in Dortmund's exploits of last season. Same for Martinez in Bayern's winning squad. Robben & Muller also got similar very strong case and can easily postulate for that spot also. Just like Iniesta, Vidal also had a strong season in the league with Juve. Somehow, I may include one of them instead of Iniesta; though tight choice.
As for Ibra - he was amazing. But right now, for me, Suarez is the best No.9 in the world and Lewandowski, for all his mercenary morals, was also extraordinary with Dortmund. Perhaps, just for all the wonder goals that Ibra scored, I'd retain him, but again tough choice atleast for me.
Yeah true, also iniesta only last chance and hope of winning the ballon d or would be for barca to win the double[league and cup] or treble[league,cup,ucl] and for spain to reclaim the worldcup then it would become even visible to the ignorant few out there that he deserves it but thats a long time from now lets see how the season progresses.
Yes iniesta is also debatable but common escorps zlatan isnt, what was even debatable was zlatan not being shortlisted for the ballon d or, now dont get me wrong suarez is an exceptional player but not on zlatan level of play and experience yet, do you know zlatan has the highest goal tally in the ucl this season 8 i think only behind ronaldo who has 9 and he has been in ridiculous form for psg both in the league and cup coupled with his team winning the ligue 1 and he advancing to the quarterfinals until they lost out on goal differences to barca and with all this information and stats i would say he deserved his spot.
I also dont fancy a player being in the worldxi who has had no european play be it europa league or champions league as we both know thats a whole different ball game than the epl. Also why do people think dante is worldclass lol? I dont agree i think his good nothingmore nothing less the dude makes mistakes as seen in ucl but then again who doesnt and is also second choice for brazil though in a team that has thiago silva who wouldnt? But yeah i dont think he deserves to be on the list, i take hummels who i think is a better player out of the two on thier best days performance wise.
Also you being a manchester united fan how do you ascess your teams chances of making it in the top four? Meh i think united still got a chance no team in the premier league except city can lose two of thier most important players being rooney an being rooney and vanpersie and not have any issues. On the other hand it would be nice to see suarez play ucl for liverpool, also i heard moyes has been scouting. .__.d vanpersie and not have any issues. On the other hand it would be nice to see suarez play ucl for liverpool, also i heard moyes has been scouting. .__.
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TBF Iniesta was in any other generation he would've had 1 if not more Ballon D'ors and even in this generation without Messi/CR he could've had 1 or arguably 2 Ballon D'ors to his name.
No player at the moment such as Ibra/Suarez/Aguero/Negredo/Neymar on current form will find it difficult to compete with those two.
All tho I'd like Messi to stay around for a while, but at the same time I find it interesting how competitive the next generation players will be with Messi/CR out of the picture. Deulofeu/Neymar/Thiago/Gotze/Koke/Isco/Moura/Pogba/Veratti/Jese/Morata/Draxler/El Shaarawy/Oscar
Even in the GK department De Gea, Courtois, ter Stegen.
No player at the moment such as Ibra/Suarez/Aguero/Negredo/Neymar on current form will find it difficult to compete with those two.
All tho I'd like Messi to stay around for a while, but at the same time I find it interesting how competitive the next generation players will be with Messi/CR out of the picture. Deulofeu/Neymar/Thiago/Gotze/Koke/Isco/Moura/Pogba/Veratti/Jese/Morata/Draxler/El Shaarawy/Oscar
Even in the GK department De Gea, Courtois, ter Stegen.
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Yea, Ronaldo winning the Ballon with Messi close behind was no surprise at all for me. I just don't like either of them as much as I used to , because they just dont play for their teams anymore. They've become global stars and you get the feeling that they just want to score goals regardless of the team's performance, moreso from Ronaldo. At least Messi tries to set up goals for others. But then again, i think it'd be a true victory for football as a whole when those subtle genii like Iniesta, Alonso or Sneijder too share the spotlight with goal minded centre forwards.
Cristiano is the most undeserving ballond d'or winner ever !!!!!!!!!!!! I bet without the extended voting he wouldn't have win....
I mean come on, he's just performing for the past 2 months and suddenly winning the award !! Madrid is classless club and CR is the most overrated and the luckiest player ever.... Did you saw his goals against osasuna, ? how lucky can he be....
I mean come on, he's just performing for the past 2 months and suddenly winning the award !! Madrid is classless club and CR is the most overrated and the luckiest player ever.... Did you saw his goals against osasuna, ? how lucky can he be....