Sound 4 vs. Tsunade.

[Icelerate]

Tayuya's Genjutsu still affects though.​

Temari was able to

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, thus nullifying the sound based genjutsu since sound travels in waves using air particles as the medium that carries the oscillations.

A shockwave from a punch or kick to the ground by Tsunade would end up distorting the sound waves because some wind will be created as well as the fact that a physical shockwave also creates sound waves, which could interfere with Tayuya's genjutsu. This point is just speculation though but I highly doubt Kishi intended Tayuya's genjutsu to be strong enough to restrain kage level shinobi for long enough for another similar leveled shinobi to end Tsunade. Also if Tsunade takes any physical damage, either from herself or from the opposition, the pain will break her out of genjutsu.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Temari was able to

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, thus nullifying the sound based genjutsu since sound travels in waves using air particles as the medium that carries the oscillations.

A shockwave from a punch or kick to the ground by Tsunade would end up distorting the sound waves because some wind will be created as well as the fact that a physical shockwave also creates sound waves, which could interfere with Tayuya's genjutsu. This point is just speculation though but I highly doubt Kishi intended Tayuya's genjutsu to be strong enough to restrain kage level shinobi for long enough for another similar leveled shinobi to end Tsunade. Also if Tsunade takes any physical damage, either from herself or from the opposition, the pain will break her out of genjutsu.

How exactly can a physical shockwave stop sound I mean I guess it's good in theory but sounds like too much lolspeculation

 

[AGoodBoy]

Kidōmaru combined with Tayuya is a deadly duo. You're pretty much underestimating them.

Also, saying Jirōbō is one-shotted with a punch, you obviously have not seen him lifting an over mountain-sized Chōji with only one hand. His power is easily comparable to non-Byakugō Tsunade if even Byakugō.

Sakon is not needed, although he can be a Bukijutsu support for Jirōbō. After few moments, Tayuya starts binding, while after that she summons Doki. They drain her immense strength, leaving Tayuya even no need to bind her. Kidōmaru's webs, which can hold elephants, can easily restrain her and a Kumo Nenkin boomerang to cut her head off, or V2 state of Kumo Senkyū: Suzaku of killing her with an Arō.

Also, Shikamaru noted Kidōmaru's skill and intelligence prowess to be easily enough Jōnin-level. He is also the smartest shinōbi from their team.​

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That's exactly what you're doing here with tsunade.

Jirobo was

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while choji had

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Choji then went on to effortlessly send jirobo flying, and

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with

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. What do you believe tsunade is capable of in base then? She'd completely decimate this guy with the lowest of difficulty. Just her index is capable of trapping this guy by utterly

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. This already shows us that tsunade can kill jirobo with just her finger. This guy dies off the bat. You're just fanboying if you think his power is comparable to even base Tsunade; Honestly. Just look at the

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this guy did in V2 (strongest attack) then look at the

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tsunade pushed out in base after having being drunk only hours ago. Tsunade didn't even pass the handover phase yet, but she was already pushing more damage than this guy, but he's comparable to byakugo? Please.

Sakon and ukon are a non factor. They couldn't even handle sasuke in taijutsu, who was a 2.5 at that point, with his sharingan off[

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]. This same sasuke could be easily taken on by tsunade with

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]. But jirobo / sakon and ukon stand a ghost of a chance...? Especially considering Sakon called him the

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?

Doki are going to drain tsunade's strength? Can you prove this? Because, from what I remember, they couldn't even drain shikamaru's strength. Shikamaru sucks at taijutsu(1.5), i.e worse evasion abilities; Has a far lower speed stat(2) than tsunade; and is a stationary fighter, yet doki couldn't

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] on the guy. The only time they barely managed to land a hit was when he was

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from the air and had to

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. Again, shikamaru is complete rubbish at taijutsu, so his CQC tactics, evasion and all around prowess would be of a far lower standard than someone like Tsunade, guy, rock lee, etc. Nothing suggests these doki can land a hit on tsunade, and one hit from her would send them

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. They won't even be within earshot of the flute anymore.

Kidomaru's the only challenge here, but like all the other sound 4, you guys are just overrating him. Neji's a completely stationary fighter with quick handspeed. The way his fight with kidomaru happened isn't how it'd happen from the start. He wouldn't even make it past a CQC like

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. In fact, he only went long ranged when he realised

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. But, unlike neji, tsunade's not going to let this guy just dash off into the woods unaccounted for. For that matter, from the second tsunade starts to notice these random snipe attacks coming her way, what do you think her first move would be? Obviously to get rid of his hiding spots in the forest. This guy would be left a sitting duck out in the open.

Claiming his webs can even hold tsunade is an assumption by your part which is backed with 0 proof. Out of all those guys, the strongest person(brute force) was neji. That's not enough evidence to state this guy can hold a woman who can lift massive metal swords or smash the earth with her finger.

*no, jirobo can't catch tsunade in his dome. Tsunade can simply jump out of it, or smash it with 1 punch.

These guys are outclassed and outmatched. They'll never win this. Tsunade doesn't even need byakugo. And, if she decides to use it, all hope of victory is instantly gone.

 

[Prince Charles]

Nice post AgoodBoy.

 

[Haizaki]

Remember when all sound 4 members didn't want to fight kakashi in part 1..well kakashi in part(without kamui) is not as strong as tsunade without Katsuyu...Tsunade takes this

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Temari was able to

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, thus nullifying the sound based genjutsu since sound travels in waves using air particles as the medium that carries the oscillations.

A shockwave from a punch or kick to the ground by Tsunade would end up distorting the sound waves because some wind will be created as well as the fact that a physical shockwave also creates sound waves, which could interfere with Tayuya's genjutsu. This point is just speculation though but I highly doubt Kishi intended Tayuya's genjutsu to be strong enough to restrain kage level shinobi for long enough for another similar leveled shinobi to end Tsunade. Also if Tsunade takes any physical damage, either from herself or from the opposition, the pain will break her out of genjutsu.

I agree, Kishimoto may not wish for such thing, but even Suigetsu potentially beats Danzō. Probably. ._.

I disagree with shockwave part, Temari's was such which blew trees away. I doubt that a few centimeters of punch can rival that of Gai. I assume she gets caught, and by perfect precision of Kidōmaru, he can shoot her right between her eyes or forehead. He even hit Neji, with Dōjutsu, precisely much. Not to mention, he can control it in mid-air.

Sakon can always summon Rashōmon to protect them from her punches.​

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[FemmeFatale]

Did you read those scans? If you did, you'd know that it would take Byakugan to counter that.

Even you couldn't say Tsunade has the same vision as a byakugan user.

Also, quit posting how Tsunade takes them down one on one. I've posted how they work together. You have to post how she counters them all at once.

Even when Katsuyu is restricted, you people still throw her around like she's some solo goddess.

It wouldn't she would use creation rebirth at best, They aren't pushing her to her limits, she can blind most of them, and avoid there attack her fighting skill is presumed to be based on observation, analysis, and striking.
The Webs can't hold her, she is too strong, you gave them the advantage, but most of their attacks calls for area advantage, and 9./10 times the area would be destroyed to avoid sneak attacks, but due to her hearing ability sneak attacks wont be that effective, the spirits will have a hard time attacking her because Tayuya will be avoiding death, Jirobi would die because hes is a fool for trying to attack her head on, base Tsunade can tank fatal blows from the spider guy, and she will be watching him, and I don't know what the two headed guys can possibly so to try anything against her.

Katsuyu is restricted. I love how Katsuyu is always used in arguments involving Tsunade even when it is restricted.

Opps I didn't read the first page, and I didn't even use her really I said she could be used. and I rarely use Katsuyu in arguments. The only valid ones are when Tsunade is put against armies or against her counterparts.

I agree, Kishimoto may not wish for such thing, but even Suigetsu potentially beats Danzō. Probably. ._.

I disagree with shockwave part, Temari's was such which blew trees away. I doubt that a few centimeters of punch can rival that of Gai. I assume she gets caught, and by perfect precision of Kidōmaru, he can shoot her right between her eyes or forehead. He even hit Neji, with Dōjutsu, precisely much. Not to mention, he can control it in mid-air.

Sakon can always summon Rashōmon to protect them from her punches.​

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Kiba tornado thingy dented the wall, Tsunade base finger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kiba tornado. Her raw strength should over whelm it, her chakra enhanced strength would destroy the wall whilst destroying the people behind it, or is it more absolute than susanoo?

 

[Icelerate]

I agree, Kishimoto may not wish for such thing, but even Suigetsu potentially beats Danzō. Probably. ._.

I disagree with shockwave part, Temari's was such which blew trees away. I doubt that a few centimeters of punch can rival that of Gai. I assume she gets caught, and by perfect precision of Kidōmaru, he can shoot her right between her eyes or forehead. He even hit Neji, with Dōjutsu, precisely much. Not to mention, he can control it in mid-air.

Sakon can always summon Rashōmon to protect them from her punches.​

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Well Sakura's

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also created gusts of wind which were stronger than part one Temari's

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which blew away around 5 trees. I'm sure Tsunade could replicate a similar feat.

Kidomaru's arrows created a

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, I don't think that is powerful enough to blow off Tsunade's brain. Sure Tsunade would take brain damage, but I'm not sure if merely damaging her brain can one shot her. This isn't real life and Tsunade herself said that she can

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[Prince Charles]

Let's be realistic here, Is tsunade honestly going to punch the ground in time before tayuya's finishes her sound genjutsu off?

 

[Chīkara]

For one, Tsunade eyes are probably as sharp as Sakura's seeing as how she trained Sakura, Sakura was able to counter 100 puppets by herself, who were coming at her at considerable speeds, and besides They wont have the change, so one, she wont give Tayuya the chance summon those spirits and she always start off with her Doki. Tsunade would defeat them now diff, She can get KAtsuyu on them if kneed, she will notice that Tayuya uses attack by playing the flute, thus she will elimate the flute, if they all try to overwhelm her, that would be that Mistake, a punch at the level that Sakura did is all that is needed to destroy tayuya's flute and render her useless, best Jirobi, cause the spider to fail at his attack, and solo the two head guy....

Lol these puppet's where nothing compared to Kidomaru's Seikakuna arrow, also want to mention the
puppet became stronger each time Sasori lost 1 after some time she wasn't able to dodge them and
chiyo had to help her out, Kidomaru can attack from far away, once she tries to dodge the arrow,
Tayuya can quickly attack with Mateki: Genbusō Kyoku,

Katsuyu is restricted so this isn't a factor here.
While catching Tsunade off guard Sakon can easily use Kisei Kikai no Jutsu to corrode the inner bodily cells and thus
killing tsunade once the sound 4 enter Juin no jutsu Reberu 2 they take this Mid-High difficulty.

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[Rainbow Dash]

Tsunade punches the ground.

 

[Icelerate]

Let's be realistic here, Is tsunade honestly going to punch the ground in time before tayuya's finishes her sound genjutsu off?

Well current Tsunade is a lot faster than part one Temari so she probably can. Or maybe a kick may suffice which is faster since the foot is closer to the ground than the fists.

 

[Prince Charles]

Well current Tsunade is a lot faster than part one Temari so she probably can. Or maybe a kick may suffice which is faster since the foot is closer to the ground than the fists.

Even if she manage to pull it off, nothing is stopping temari from generating more sound..

 

[Icelerate]

Even if she manage to pull it off, nothing is stopping temari from generating more sound..

You guys do realize since Tsunade is faster than anyone from the sound four, she won't give them the opportunity of constantly attacking her nonstop without Tsunade being able to close the distance especially since she can tank most of their arsenal unless used together in particular combinations. Also how long would it take Tsunade to break Tayuya's genjutsu?

 

[Chīkara]

Well Sakura's

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also created gusts of wind which were stronger than part one Temari's

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which blew away around 5 trees. I'm sure Tsunade could replicate a similar feat.

Kidomaru's arrows created a

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in

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, I don't think that is powerful enough to blow off Tsunade's brain. Sure Tsunade would take brain damage, but I'm not sure if merely damaging her brain can one shot her. This isn't real life and Tsunade herself said that she can

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Creating shockwave's wouldn't help her at all. if kidomaru is attack from the left side and tayuya at the right side there
will be no escape, How will she dodge Kidomaru's arrows and keep creating Shockwaves from 2 side's, then there still
is Jirobo and Udon who can fight at close range, Kuchiyose: Rashōmon is able to protect against these Shockwaves, since its blocking
only physical attack, so sound can go through it and thus hit Tsunade. Sakon can then Infuse her body, or Kidomaru can fire another Arrów and
end this.

 

[Icelerate]

Creating shockwave's wouldn't help her at all. if kidomaru is attack from the left side and tayuya at the right side there
will be no escape, How will she dodge Kidomaru's arrows and keep creating Shockwaves from 2 side's, then there still
is Jirobo and Udon who can fight at close range, Kuchiyose: Rashōmon is able to protect against these Shockwaves, since its blocking
only physical attack, so sound can go through it and thus hit Tsunade. Sakon can then Infuse her body, or Kidomaru can fire another Arrów and
end this.

She doesn't need to dodge Kidomaru's arrows, tanking them with Byakogou is fine.

Kidomaru's arrows created a

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in

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, I don't think that is powerful enough to blow off Tsunade's brain. Sure Tsunade would take brain damage, but I'm not sure if merely damaging her brain can one shot her. This isn't real life and Tsunade herself said that she can

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I didn't say the shockwaves are going to damage the sound four. I meant that they can be used to nullify sound waves so putting up a Rashoman wouldn't work since as the sound comes near Tsunade, the shockwaves will dispel the waves and won't have to get through Rashoman. BTW Rashoman is a one time thing, it can't be moved around leisurely.

If Sakon fuses himself with her body, all she has to do is stab herself like Kiba did. Tsunade tanks the damage and heals from it, Sakon is forced to withdraw or face death.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Creating shockwave's wouldn't help her at all. if kidomaru is attack from the left side and tayuya at the right side there
will be no escape, How will she dodge Kidomaru's arrows and keep creating Shockwaves from 2 side's, then there still
is Jirobo and Udon who can fight at close range, Kuchiyose: Rashōmon is able to protect against these Shockwaves, since its blocking
only physical attack, so sound can go through it and thus hit Tsunade. Sakon can then Infuse her body, or Kidomaru can fire another Arrów and
end this.

Jirobo and udon cannot face tsunade in CQC. That's instant death. 1 shockwave from tsunade's punch throws up so much dust, debris and air pressure that kidomaru's arrows get set way of course. He isn't re-calibrating them when he doesn't even know where tsunade's at in that mess.

And, Like icelerate already stated above. All you sound 4 supporters are acting like they're faster than tsunade when she's faster than them + has her superior shuushin. These guys won't get to even leave CQC before tsunade kills them all. 1 punch is all it takes to kill every one of them.

 

[BlackFlame44]

The sound 4 trying to have CQC with Tsunade is suicide

They would get one shorter by her punches

 

[Curse Mark]

Yes, it is.

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As long as we're showing Kidomaru's ridiculous part 1 feats,

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His arrows destroyed a section that big of the forest and people think it can't kill tsunade? ridiculous

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Oto Four take this almost no difficulty, especially when Katsuyu is restricted.​

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As a hunter, Kidōmaru is automatically a long-ranged fighter. Using his webs, he

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Also, he has a significant role to combat fighters, such as Jirōbō and Sakon, as he can attach web to them and warn them twitching a part of their body when danger appears.

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Trying to breake it by force is not considerable, as it can support elephants. Once she is trapped, he can activate his Curse Mark.

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After the binding, she has no place to move to. He can finish her with his tendril arrows.

Support: To make it an absolute bind, Tayuya can activate Mateki to bind her absolutely. Kidōmaru can shut his ears with webs in order to prevent hearing the melody. Jirōbō can use CM V2, and compete with Tsunade in means of strength.

If necessary, he can trap her with

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to buy time for Kidōmaru and Tayuya to hide.

It doesn't matter if Sakon and Jirōbō get affected by Genjutsu, since it only binds. This is game over for Tsunade.​

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[Prince Charles]

You guys do realize since Tsunade is faster than anyone from the sound four, she won't give them the opportunity of constantly attacking her nonstop without Tsunade being able to close the distance especially since she can tank most of their arsenal unless used together in particular combinations. Also how long would it take Tsunade to break Tayuya's genjutsu?

Lol tsunade faster? The majority of the sound 4 speed in the databook is a solid 3, tsunade's is a 3.5, that .5 doesnt change much especially tsunade hardly has any speed feats, Give me some time and I can find speed feats for the sound 4 you probably based that speed claim for tsunade based off their stat's but numbers don't mean much here. Imo tsunade get'd overwhelmed, and breaking tayuya's sound genjutsu will be difficult for her considering she doesnt have any other jutsu in her arsenal to help her induce pain upon her self, once she's paralyzed she's a sitting duck to open attacks from all angles.