Sound 4 vs. Tsunade.

[UchihaNagashi]

You do realize that tsunade can just get katsuya to split into 10000 pieces and find this guy for her right?
Or, she can blast away the entire forest with a punch so he has no where to cover and snipe from. That battle was so circumstancial upon the fact that he was tree hugging. In plain view, he'd be destroyed.
This guy's arrows couldn't even kill neji.

Restricted.

Also, he can create multiples of them, she can be bind with Mateki and shot in the head which means ultimately instant death.

Also, he can easily create two poles and hang with his web from there, as he does with trees. If she's bind, she can't do anything.​

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Tsunade =/= Neji. She doesn't have to worry about the damage when she can regenerate. Even Madara was careless when he fought the Bijuu because he had Hashirama's healing power. [

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If 9 Bijuu wasn't able to crush his body, then 4 chuunin level guys aren't dealing with someone who has this ability. [

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] Not to mention Tsunade already tanked a similar attack, the Yasaka Magatama from a close range.

From a V1 Susano'o.

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[~Sky~]

You do realize that tsunade can just get katsuya to split into 10000 pieces and find this guy for her right?
Or, she can blast away the entire forest with a punch so he has no where to cover and snipe from. That battle was so circumstancial upon the fact that he was tree hugging. In plain view, he'd be destroyed.
This guy's arrows couldn't even kill neji.

Katsuyu is restricted.

 

[~Sky~]

Tsunade =/= Neji. She doesn't have to worry about the damage when she can regenerate. Even Madara was careless when he fought the Bijuu because he had Hashirama's healing power. [

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If 9 Bijuu wasn't able to crush his body, then 4 chuunin level guys aren't dealing with someone who has this ability. [

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] Not to mention Tsunade already tanked a similar attack, the Yasaka Magatama from a close range.

You still haven't posted a counter to Doki. You've just been talking about tanking feats, but you can't tank chakra absorption.

 

[TheEvilOne]

You still haven't posted a counter to Doki. You've just been talking about tanking feats, but you can't tank chakra absorption.

I already posted a scan where Tsuande tanked a similar, but more destructive attack then Kidomaru's arrows.
I'm talking about tanking feats because apparently you believe his arrows can kill Tsunade.

 

[KingHashirama]

Curse mark 2 all of them.. just for Genma and the other guy.. rofl.

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[BlackFlame44]

Tsunade is underrated as usual


she takes this rather handily

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Can you people add spoilers please, it's getting annoying to scroll up and down. ​

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[TheTailedSage]

You do realize that tsunade can just get katsuya to split into 10000 pieces and find this guy for her right?
Or, she can blast away the entire forest with a punch so he has no where to cover and snipe from. That battle was so circumstancial upon the fact that he was tree hugging. In plain view, he'd be destroyed.
This guy's arrows couldn't even kill neji.

Lel so automatically in your logic she gets pushed to high diff because she's using everything she has to take them out. i don't agree that she wins anyway because the fact that four people are facing her at once she's not going to have the space or time to summon anyway. If she gets caught in web she cant move and to make it worst the other are there too. IF she gets cocooned then S4 beat her mid diff. Shes not blowing an entire forest away mate, some but not all of it. by the time she thinks to do such a thing shes already injured or dead because the arrow would have already been fired. She wouldnt think to do that unless she knew what his jutsu is.

 

[~Sky~]

I already posted a scan where Tsuande tanked a similar, but more destructive attack then Kidomaru's arrows.
I'm talking about tanking feats because apparently you believe his arrows can kill Tsunade.

Do you even know what Doki is?

It doesn't take physical form, and it can't be tanked.

 

[TheTailedSage]

Tsunade =/= Neji. She doesn't have to worry about the damage when she can regenerate. Even Madara was careless when he fought the Bijuu because he had Hashirama's healing power. [

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If 9 Bijuu wasn't able to crush his body, then 4 chuunin level guys aren't dealing with someone who has this ability. [

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] Not to mention Tsunade already tanked a similar attack, the Yasaka Magatama from a close range.

Yaska magatama doesn't pierce, completely different damage properties and in no way are they similar. YM explodes

 

[FloriGlori]

Genma had no intel - he almost defeated them.

1. True, a random noname fodder was with him
2. According to Tayuya they had to use their full power to defeat them because they were JOUNINS.

Absolute nonsense; Genma and Raidou weren't even close to defeating the Oto Quartet.

These two Jounin, once part of Yondaime's personal guard [

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] - which puts them at a considerably higher level than regular Jounin - were completely defeated and left with respect and fear [

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] of the four. In return, Orochimaru's underlings didn't suffer any casualities or even injuries. The only reason they felt the need to use the Juin's second stage in the first place was because they had been in a rush and might have been defeated had they tried to conserve their powers [

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]. Even then, the battlefield suggests their strongest moves weren't used at all. In the end, ranks are absolutely meaningless. When utilized astutely, even Anbu will fall prey to their techniques; just as Kidomaru caught two of them during their escape from Konoha [

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], which - in a real fight - would've meant irrevocable defeat.

Justifying Tsunade's victory by means of this misbelief is fallacy.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Absolute nonsense; Genma and Raidou weren't even close to defeating the Oto Quartet.

These two Jounin, once part of Yondaime's personal guard [

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] - which puts them at a considerably higher level than regular Jounin - were completely defeated and left with fear and respect [

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] of the four. In return, Orochimaru's underlings didn't suffer any casualities or even injuries. The only reason they felt the need to use the Juin's second stage in the first place was because they had been in a rush and might have been defeated had they tried to conserve their powers [

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]. Even then, the battlefield suggests their strongest moves weren't used at all. In the end, ranks are absolutely meaningless. When utilized astutely, even Anbu will fall prey to their techniques; just as Kidomaru caught two of them during their escape from Konoha [

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], which - in a real fight - would've meant irrevocable defeat.

Justifying Tsunade's victory by means of this misbelief is fallacy.

So I guess shizune > kakashi?

Since she's Tsunade's personal guard?

 

[KingHashirama]

Problem here is that people actually believe she will let the sound four use their techniques like that. Someone who has fought many tougher shinobi.. and more experienced shinobi.. is going to lose to bunch of inexperienced kids? ;x

Especially when its in a forest, where she can pick them out 1 by 1.

Absolute nonsense; Genma and Raidou weren't even close to defeating the Oto Quartet.

These two Jounin, once part of Yondaime's personal guard [

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] - which puts them at a considerably higher level than regular Jounin - were completely defeated and left with respect and fear [

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] of the four. In return, Orochimaru's underlings didn't suffer any casualities or even injuries. The only reason they felt the need to use the Juin's second stage in the first place was because they had been in a rush and might have been defeated had they tried to conserve their powers [

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]. Even then, the battlefield suggests their strongest moves weren't used at all. In the end, ranks are absolutely meaningless. When utilized astutely, even Anbu will fall prey to their techniques; just as Kidomaru caught two of them during their escape from Konoha [

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], which - in a real fight - would've meant irrevocable defeat.

Justifying Tsunade's victory by means of this misbelief is fallacy.

Anbu leaders > Genma and Raidou..... Personal guard doesn't automatically = strong.. just means Minato liked them and saw potential.

In the scan you show, Genma talks in a normal voice.

They went curse mark 2 right of the bat.... rofl. The oto kids could use their abilities against kids.. but you think they would've been able to against Jounin level ninja? no......

 

[UchihaNagashi]

So I guess shizune > kakashi?

Since she's Tsunade's personal guard?

She's not a guard, but an assistant.​

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[FemmeFatale]

They feared part 1 Orochimaru, The Sannin are viewed as equals, Tsunade > Part 1 Oro....I think that they would flee the battle just from her hype.

But she wins mid to low dif.

Jirobi gets stomped!

SHe paralysis the two head guy and punches him. She can break his wall thingy...Kiba beat him, no challenge.

For Tayuya, we can assume she is as smart as Sakura, because she taught her, Sakura was able to track Sasori movements with his finger tips, she can do the same with Tayuya, not to mention her enhance senses come into place, giving her the advantage, she can also punch everywhere and fodderize her, he yinseal protects her from genjutsu...assuming she can't break out of her own accord.

THe spider guys get stomped, her enhanced senses will help, and he can't kill her, she can punch the area and damage it, he wont have the airel advantage, she can use KAtsuyu to end things fast, but she doesn't have to waste much chakra on such fodders. And she can always punch him and kill him

 

[~Sky~]

So I guess shizune > kakashi?

Since she's Tsunade's personal guard?

No. That guy was simply stating those guys were special Jounins, not average ones.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Restricted.

Also, he can create multiples of them, she can be bind with Mateki and shot in the head which means ultimately instant death.

Also, he can easily create two poles and hang with his web from there, as he does with trees. If she's bind, she can't do anything.​

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From a V1 Susano'o.

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Katsuyu is restricted.

Well, like I said, the alternative works just as well. Katsuya isn't even required, it just makes these nonsense kidomaru arguments less relevant.

Lel so automatically in your logic she gets pushed to high diff because she's using everything she has to take them out. i don't agree that she wins anyway because the fact that four people are facing her at once she's not going to have the space or time to summon anyway. If she gets caught in web she cant move and to make it worst the other are there too. IF she gets cocooned then S4 beat her mid diff. Shes not blowing an entire forest away mate, some but not all of it. by the time she thinks to do such a thing shes already injured or dead because the arrow would have already been fired. She wouldnt think to do that unless she knew what his jutsu is.

Wtf are you on about? A punch is everything tsunade's got?
Jirobo's fodderized by tsunade's normal strength the same way he was fodderized by a weaker choji.
Sakon and Ukon are a non factor. they couldn't even handle kiba properly.
Tayuya is fodderized with 1 punch; her little demons are all killed in 1 go. A much slower shikamaru effortlessly dodged their attacks, and shikamaru's a stationary fighter. Tayuya's genjutsu is broken by tsunade simply biting her lip or biting off her tongue(this hurts more than breaking your finger and is even deadly so don't even bring that shit to me)
Kidomaru is completely useless without his forest surprises. His attacks can be easily dodged/countered when you can see him. Seeing as 1 punch can blast away his cover, and injure him at the same time, kidomaru's not hiding anywhere.

Tsunade doesn't even need to use byakugo because these guys aren't even fast enough to cause significant damage. The people Tayuya and Kidomaru fought were both stationary fighters.

 

[BlackFlame44]

No. That guy was simply stating those guys were special Jounins, not average ones.

The actual rank special jonin < jonin lol

 

[TheTailedSage]

they feared part 1 orochimaru, the sannin are viewed as equals, tsunade > part 1 oro....i think that they would flee the battle just from her hype.

But she wins mid to low dif.

lel. That logic

 

[~Sky~]

The actual rank special jonin < jonin lol

Does it matter? No. Tsunade still can't counter the combo I mentioned earlier, nor the combo UchihaNagashi mentioned either.

All of these Tsunade... "debaters" have simply ignored them.