Sound 4 vs. Tsunade.

[FloriGlori]

So I guess shizune > kakashi?

Since she's Tsunade's personal guard?

The actual rank special jonin < jonin lol

Horrible argumentation.

- Kakashi is obviously way ahead of any ordinary Jounin

- Shizune is Tsunade's assistant and apprentice; not her guard

- Genma and Raidou are full Jounin; no special Jounin, which is indeed a lower rank

- None of what I said was disproven even in the slightest​

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Well, like I said, the alternative works just as well. Katsuya isn't even required, it just makes these nonsense kidomaru arguments less relevant.


Wtf are you on about? A punch is everything tsunade's got?
Jirobo's fodderized by tsunade's normal strength the same way he was fodderized by a weaker choji.
Sakon and Ukon are a non factor. they couldn't even handle kiba properly.
Tayuya is fodderized with 1 punch; her little demons are all killed in 1 go. A much slower shikamaru effortlessly dodged their attacks, and shikamaru's a stationary fighter. Tayuya's genjutsu is broken by tsunade simply biting her lip or biting off her tongue(this hurts more than breaking your finger and is even deadly so don't even bring that shit to me)
Kidomaru is completely useless without his forest surprises. His attacks can be easily dodged/countered when you can see him. Seeing as 1 punch can blast away his cover, and injure him at the same time, kidomaru's not hiding anywhere.

Tsunade doesn't even need to use byakugo because these guys aren't even fast enough to cause significant damage. The people Tayuya and Kidomaru fought were both stationary fighters.

Kidōmaru combined with Tayuya is a deadly duo. You're pretty much underestimating them.

Also, saying Jirōbō is one-shotted with a punch, you obviously have not seen him lifting an over mountain-sized Chōji with only one hand. His power is easily comparable to non-Byakugō Tsunade if even Byakugō.

Sakon is not needed, although he can be a Bukijutsu support for Jirōbō. After few moments, Tayuya starts binding, while after that she summons Doki. They drain her immense strength, leaving Tayuya even no need to bind her. Kidōmaru's webs, which can hold elephants, can easily restrain her and a Kumo Nenkin boomerang to cut her head off, or V2 state of Kumo Senkyū: Suzaku of killing her with an Arō.

Also, Shikamaru noted Kidōmaru's skill and intelligence prowess to be easily enough Jōnin-level. He is also the smartest shinōbi from their team.​

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[Icelerate]

Yay FloriGlori has finally posted after being on a long hiatus. Maybe I won't leave NB now.

Anyway I'm leaning towards Tsunade mid difficulty.

 

[FemmeFatale]

Kidomaru can make as many arrows as he pleases.

Considering Tsunade would be busy with this:

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And this:

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And considering Kidmomaru fires headshots using the above attack as a diversion:

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Tsunade also doesn't have 360 degree vision like Neji.

While Tsunade also has to deal with Jirobo, Sakon, and Ukon in CQC, means she'll be overwhelmed.

For one, Tsunade eyes are probably as sharp as Sakura's seeing as how she trained Sakura, Sakura was able to counter 100 puppets by herself, who were coming at her at considerable speeds, and besides They wont have the change, so one, she wont give Tayuya the chance summon those spirits and she always start off with her Doki. Tsunade would defeat them now diff, She can get KAtsuyu on them if kneed, she will notice that Tayuya uses attack by playing the flute, thus she will elimate the flute, if they all try to overwhelm her, that would be that Mistake, a punch at the level that Sakura did is all that is needed to destroy tayuya's flute and render her useless, best Jirobi, cause the spider to fail at his attack, and solo the two head guy....

 

[KingHashirama]

DAYUMMMM, people believe the scenarios that the kids were in would apply to Tsunade also. ROFLL.

Horrible argumentation.

- Kakashi is obviously way ahead of any ordinary Jounin

- Shizune is Tsunade's assistant and apprentice; not her guard

- Genma and Raidou are full Jounin; no special Jounin, which is indeed a lower rank

- None of what I said was disproven even in the slightest​

Just like how Genma and Raidou were Minato's students, since he taught them FTG..

- You just said they were special than normal jounins..... rofl.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Kidōmaru combined with Tayuya is a deadly duo. You're pretty much underestimating them.​

Nah tsuna takes them both not much they can do besides lol genjutsu

Also, saying Jirōbō is one-shotted with a punch, you obviously have not seen him lifting an over mountain-sized Chōji with only one hand. His power is easily comparable to non-Byakugō Tsunade if even Byakugō

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Tsunade already held a sword of similar size and length

Plus choji was no where near mountain size lol seeing as she was brawling with madara's susanoo's

Sakon is not needed, although he can be a Bukijutsu support for Jirōbō. After few moments, Tayuya starts binding, while after that she summons Doki. They drain her immense strength, leaving Tayuya even no need to bind her. Kidōmaru's webs, which can hold elephants,

How strong are elephants exactly?

can easily restrain her and a Kumo Nenkin boomerang to cut her head off, or V2 state of Kumo Senkyū: Suzaku of killing her with an Arō.

Assuming she doesn't break the web off

Also, Shikamaru noted Kidōmaru's skill and intelligence prowess to be easily enough Jōnin-level. He is also the smartest shinōbi from their team.

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Good for him

 

[Icelerate]

For one, Tsunade eyes are probably as sharp as Sakura's seeing as how she trained Sakura, Sakura was able to counter 100 puppets by herself, who were coming at her at considerable speeds, and besides They wont have the change, so one, she wont give Tayuya the chance summon those spirits and she always start off with her Doki. Tsunade would defeat them now diff, She can get KAtsuyu on them if kneed, she will notice that Tayuya uses attack by playing the flute, thus she will elimate the flute, if they all try to overwhelm her, that would be that Mistake, a punch at the level that Sakura did is all that is needed to destroy tayuya's flute and render her useless, best Jirobi, cause the spider to fail at his attack, and solo the two head guy

Katsuyu is restricted. I love how Katsuyu is always used in arguments involving Tsunade even when it is restricted.

Location: Deidara versus Sasuke.
Restrictions: Katsuyu.
Distance: 50M.
Intent: To kill.

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[TheEvilOne]

Kidōmaru combined with Tayuya is a deadly duo. You're pretty much underestimating them.​

Obviously they are a great combo against someone who can't counter their abilities.

Also, saying Jirōbō is one-shotted with a punch, you obviously have not seen him lifting an over mountain-sized Chōji with only one hand. His power is easily comparable to non-Byakugō Tsunade if even Byakugō.

He gets oneshotted, period. Part1 Choji had like 1.5 points in speed and even he was able to keep up with Jirobu. I like when people are saying Tsunade gets oneshotted by Kakashi because his speed stats are higher, but when Tsunade is fighting slow characters I don't see this argument.

Sakon is not needed, although he can be a Bukijutsu support for Jirōbō. After few moments, Tayuya starts binding, while after that she summons Doki. They drain her immense strength, leaving Tayuya even no need to bind her. Kidōmaru's webs, which can hold elephants, can easily restrain her and a Kumo Nenkin boomerang to cut her head off, or V2 state of Kumo Senkyū: Suzaku of killing her with an Arō.

How on earth can they drain her natural strength?
Kidomaru's web can hold elephants, but Tsuande has more power then an elephant.

Also, Shikamaru noted Kidōmaru's skill and intelligence prowess to be easily enough Jōnin-level. He is also the smartest shinōbi from their team.

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So? Tsuande is Kage level, not jounin level.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Nah tsuna takes them both not much they can do besides lol genjutsu

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Tsunade already held a sword of similar size and length

Plus choji was no where near mountain size lol seeing as she was brawling with madara's susanoo's



How strong are elephants exactly?

Assuming she doesn't break the web off


Good for him

Elephant weighs 7,000 kg (15,000 lb). Since he can support two with it, it would reach almost 15,000.

Also, the sword from volume was definitely not the same. It was about as tall as Bunta, though just a long pole like. Chōji was even lying on his stomach when trying to crush Jirōbō. Doesn't weigh as much.

She can't break the web. 15,000 kilograms is already DBZ-level.​

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Obviously they are a great combo against someone who can't counter their abilities.



He gets oneshotted, period. Part1 Choji had like 1.5 points in speed and even he was able to keep up with Jirobu. I like when people are saying Tsunade gets oneshotted by Kakashi because his speed stats are higher, but when Tsunade is fighting slow characters I don't see this argument.



How on earth can they drain her natural strength?
Kidomaru's web can hold elephants, but Tsuande has more power then an elephant.



So? Tsuande is Kage level, not jounin level.

Elephant's power isn't this, but the weight...

Also, they drain physical energy, which is physical strength.​

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[TheEvilOne]

The weight has nothing to do with this...
But if you are using hype, probably I should post the scans where Tsunade stated she can't die in a battle.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Elephant weighs 7,000 kg (15,000 lb). Since he can support two with it, it would reach almost 15,000.

Also, the sword from volume was definitely not the same. It was about as tall as Bunta, though just a long pole like. Chōji was even lying on his stomach when trying to crush Jirōbō. Doesn't weigh as much.

She can't break the web. 15,000 kilograms is already DBZ-level.​

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Just cause the elephant weighs a lot doesn't mean it has a lot of power in it's strikes(if one could fight)

 

[Icelerate]

Elephant weighs 7,000 kg (15,000 lb). Since he can support two with it, it would reach almost 15,000.

Also, the sword from volume was definitely not the same. It was about as tall as Bunta, though just a long pole like. Chōji was even lying on his stomach when trying to crush Jirōbō. Not.

She can't break the web. 15,000 kilograms is already DBZ-level.​

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In part one, when she was starting to run low on chakra and started the fight without being at full power, she managed to lift up a

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. I don't know much about swords but I do know they are made out of metal, probably iron. Iron has a density of 7850 kg/m^3 (

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). I'm not good at calcs and scaling but I can tell that since the sword was a lot larger than Tsunade volume wise, it's volume is most likely at least 5 m^3. So Tsunade has the strength to pick up something as heavy as 7850 kg/m^3 * 5 m^3 = 39 250 kg. Over twice as heavy as two elephants. Bare in mind that current Tsunade is even stronger. She won't get restrained by those webs at all.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

The weight has nothing to do with this...
But if you are using hype, probably I should post the scans where Tsunade stated she can't die in a battle.

The weigh determines if she can break out. In boxing, you use a machine that where you punch and shows how many kilograms was your force.

An top notch is 1260 from boxers. And a punch generates much more force than act of pulling, to five times.

Though she can punch much, by lifting you should divide at least by three.​

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[TheEvilOne]

The weigh determines if she can break out. In boxing, you use a machine that where you punch and shows how many kilograms was your force.

An top notch is 1260 from boxers. And a punch generates much more force than act of pulling, to five times.

Though she can punch much, by lifting you should divide at least by three.​

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So you think an elephant is ( physically ) stronger then Tsunade? The sword she lifted was at least twice as big as an average elephant.

 

[~Sky~]

For one, Tsunade eyes are probably as sharp as Sakura's seeing as how she trained Sakura, Sakura was able to counter 100 puppets by herself, who were coming at her at considerable speeds, and besides They wont have the change, so one, she wont give Tayuya the chance summon those spirits and she always start off with her Doki. Tsunade would defeat them now diff, She can get KAtsuyu on them if kneed, she will notice that Tayuya uses attack by playing the flute, thus she will elimate the flute, if they all try to overwhelm her, that would be that Mistake, a punch at the level that Sakura did is all that is needed to destroy tayuya's flute and render her useless, best Jirobi, cause the spider to fail at his attack, and solo the two head guy....

Did you read those scans? If you did, you'd know that it would take Byakugan to counter that.

Even you couldn't say Tsunade has the same vision as a byakugan user.

Also, quit posting how Tsunade takes them down one on one. I've posted how they work together. You have to post how she counters them all at once.

Even when Katsuyu is restricted, you people still throw her around like she's some solo goddess.

 

[illidanson]

Tsunade takes it low diff.

They're no match for kage levels.

 

[Optimistic]

I think Soundnin takes this.

off topic: can someone help me? I can't post or send any messages via VM.PM in the new layout i can only do this on the mobile layout.Should i tell a mod?

 

[UchihaNagashi]

In part one, when she was starting to run low on chakra and started the fight without being at full power, she managed to lift up a

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. I don't know much about swords but I do know they are made out of metal, probably iron. Iron has a density of 7850 kg/m^3 (

You must be registered for see links

). I'm not good at calcs and scaling but I can tell that since the sword was a lot larger than Tsunade volume wise, it's volume is most likely at least 5 m^3. So Tsunade has the strength to pick up something as heavy as 7850 kg/m^3 * 5 m^3 = 39 250 kg. Over twice as heavy as two elephants. Bare in mind that current Tsunade is even stronger. She won't get restrained by those webs at all.

Tayuya's Genjutsu still affects though.​

 

[TheEvilOne]

I think Soundnin takes this.

off topic: can someone help me? I can't post or send any messages via VM.PM in the new layout i can only do this on the mobile layout.Should i tell a mod?

I had the same issue with the goole chrome.
Try a different browser ( I'm using opera )

 

[UchihaNagashi]

I had the same issue with the goole chrome.
Try a different browser ( I'm using opera )

I think it's the server.​

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