Anime you son of a b.

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To be honest with you: I dont even watch One Piece. But I saw Naruto Shippuuden and Bleach anime. And Bleach looked waaay batter than NS. Its not like Pierrot is out of talenents... they are just slacking off. I dont know why? Maybe becuase Naruto is so pupular that they no longer worry if the episode they made is shitty... people are still going to watch this.
Agreed. Blaach anime had a good animation, way better than naruto. i don't understand why this happnes only with naruto. I don't watch one piece either, but i once saw the current one piece animation, and it was great.
 

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No, it's not my opinion. Ask anyone with a good sense and knowledge of animation and drawing to see if it's good. An analysis of the art work of naruto can provide enough to prove that it's not good. The animation itself is not so bad, but sometimes, it gets terrible(pain fight 6 tails part).
You might like it, but it's not a good animation. But when I talk to someone more capable of criticizing, I'll ask him/her and give it right to you.
That is all opinion.

Unless you can show me an exact definition of what "good animation" is with sources, "good animation" is in the eye of the beholder.
 

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I think people are attached due is going to end soon so why quit you know :/ i wish they had the animation like back in chikara arc, that was good animation right there.
From my point of view Naruto animation detoriated way earlier, when Naruto classic ended and Naruto Shippuuden started. That was the red line. In classic Naruto you had mostly fluid animation, in NS fights started to look like slide shows, fluid animation became rarity, saved for special occasions. Basically, they started to draw less frames per movement, thats the problem.
 
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From my point of view Naruto animation detoriated way earlier, when Naruto classic ended and Naruto Shippuuden started. That was the red line. In classic Naruto you had mostly fluid animation, in NS fights started to look like slide shows, fluid animation became rarity, saved for special occasions. Basically, they started to draw less frames per movement, thats the problem.
did you see the episode that madara was kicking shinobi's ass? did you see the animation? I was like ''DANG....''
 

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That is all opinion.

Unless you can show me an exact definition of what "good animation" is with sources, "good animation" is in the eye of the beholder.
Good animation is not the eye of the beholder. A good animation requires a good art work(which means that the drawings must be good, so the drawing can bea analysed by someone with knowledge in drawing) fluidity of movement(the movements must be realitsc, and no stiff), good representation of the details(I guess that's part of the art maybe) and kore that I don't really know.
An animation, just like everything else, can be analysed and considered good or bad by people who have knowledge in the subject.
 

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Yeah, I mentioned that.
I see

Good animation is not the eye of the beholder. A good animation requires a good art work(which means that the drawings must be good, so the drawing can bea analysed by someone with knowledge in drawing) fluidity of movement(the movements must be realitsc, and no stiff), good representation of the details(I guess that's part of the art maybe) and kore that I don't really know.
An animation, just like everything else, can be analysed and considered good or bad by people who have knowledge in the subject.
If naruto had the art work of attack on titan/code breaker/sword art online (first arc) that would be a smoove move.
 

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Good animation is not the eye of the beholder. A good animation requires a good art work(which means that the drawings must be good, so the drawing can bea analysed by someone with knowledge in drawing) fluidity of movement(the movements must be realitsc, and no stiff), good representation of the details(I guess that's part of the art maybe) and kore that I don't really know.
An animation, just like everything else, can be analysed and considered good or bad by people who have knowledge in the subject.
Nope, that's all opinion. You can't define what "good" artwork is. I consider the Mona Lisa to be a mediocre painting, but everyone else loves it. It's not wrong, it's just my opinion.

"I think Naruto animation is good."

^ Prove me wrong using facts. ^
 

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If those son of ******* didn't spend so much money on movies they would do some decent animation. No one cares about the movies. The anime quality sucks. Small time anime with smaller budgets have 10000000000000x better quality.
 

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If those son of ******* didn't spend so much money on movies they would do some decent animation. No one cares about the movies. The anime quality sucks. Small time anime with smaller budgets have 10000000000000x better quality.
Did you check at chikara's arc? That was good animation right there, =/!

that semi kcm naruto looked boss!

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Did you check at chikara's arc? That was good animation right there, =/!

that semi kcm naruto looked boss!

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Yea I watched it. They do this one entire arc is entirely bs. Then a small mini arc is above average. That animation pales compared to a lot of anime I have seen.
 

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Yea I watched it. They do this one entire arc is entirely bs. Then a small mini arc is above average. That animation pales compared to a lot of anime I have seen.
I thought chikara arc was supposed to be a movie due to the quality of it, i heard that rumor a lot.

and look at pein arc xD!

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Nope, that's all opinion. You can't define what "good" artwork is. I consider the Mona Lisa to be a mediocre painting, but everyone else loves it. It's not wrong, it's just my opinion.

"I think Naruto animation is good."

^ Prove me wrong using facts. ^
What you consider is irrelevant. What is concluded by ana analysis of the elements of the drawing is what makes it good or bad. You can dislike some drawing, but that doesn't make it bad. Stop trying to use "my opinion" as an argument. It's not.
 

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What you consider is irrelevant. What is concluded by ana analysis of the elements of the drawing is what makes it good or bad. You can dislike some drawing, but that doesn't make it bad. Stop trying to use "my opinion" as an argument. It's not.
So what makes your analysis better than mine? I just analyzed the Naruto animation, and I thought it was good. Can you prove me wrong? Of course not. Wanna know why? Because art is subjective and total opinion.

You can't prove the Naruto animation is bad. You can say it is, but in the end it's all your opinion.
 

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So what makes your analysis better than mine? I just analyzed the Naruto animation, and I thought it was good. Can you prove me wrong? Of course not. Wanna know why? Because art is subjective and total opinion.

You can't prove the Naruto animation is bad. You can say it is, but in the end it's all your opinion.
I guess it's alright the animation but there are few episodes that are on par with movie animation.
 

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So what makes your analysis better than mine? I just analyzed the Naruto animation, and I thought it was good. Can you prove me wrong? Of course not. Wanna know why? Because art is subjective and total opinion.

You can't prove the Naruto animation is bad. You can say it is, but in the end it's all your opinion.
Simple, knowledge and arguments. The more knowledge the guy has in animation and drawing, the best his analysis will be, because he can comprehend the animation, and he knows the elements and principles of a good animation.

Yes, one can prove it. He just has to know more about animation and shows the elements of a good animation that naruto lacks.
 

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Simple, knowledge and arguments. The more knowledge the guy has in animation and drawing, the best his analysis will be, because he can comprehend the animation, and he knows the elements and principles of a good animation.

Yes, one can prove it. He just has to know more about animation and shows the elements of a good animation that naruto lacks.
What makes good animation? Who dictates what good animation is? I took a flash animation class. At what point am I qualified to deem whether artwork is good or not?

These are all questions you can't answer because it's all opinion.
 

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So what makes your analysis better than mine? I just analyzed the Naruto animation, and I thought it was good. Can you prove me wrong? Of course not. Wanna know why? Because art is subjective and total opinion.

You can't prove the Naruto animation is bad. You can say it is, but in the end it's all your opinion.
Continuation of previous comment(I can't edit my posts, for some reason).

LBut if you insist, let's give an exemple. The image above(pain). Why people are making fun of it? It's simple, because that frame, the drawing of pain is really bad. Why? First, because pain is supposed be a human body, however, his face is distorted in proportions a human face would never achieve with a natural movement. Second: the details: you can see his headband doesn't match what it was supposed to match, since the lines simply change their size. Not only that, but you can see trace of the headband detail is veyr poorly drawn and colored. Not only that, but the traces of the drawing are bad in general(that will require that you had more knowledge about drawing, so you would understand about the trace, Idk how to explain because I myself just know very basic stuff).
 

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Continuation of previous comment(I can't edit my posts, for some reason).

LBut if you insist, let's give an exemple. The image above(pain). Why people are making fun of it? It's simple, because that frame, the drawing of pain is really bad. Why? First, because pain is supposed be a human body, however, his face is distorted in proportions a human face would never achieve with a natural movement. Second: the details: you can see his headband doesn't match what it was supposed to match, since the lines simply change their size. Not only that, but you can see trace of the headband detail is veyr poorly drawn and colored. Not only that, but the traces of the drawing are bad in general(that will require that you had more knowledge about drawing, so you would understand about the trace, Idk how to explain because I myself just know very basic stuff).
I thought the animation of Pain was average. The distorted objectification of his body shows extreme speed in motion. Nothing bad there. I thought he was well colored and the stenciling was fine. Again, all of that is your opinion. It's not a fact that it's bad. You look at it and say it's bad, I look at it and say it's fine. Completely subjective, as all art is.
 
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