Tsunade vs. Kimmimaro

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Is there anything in the manga suggests that Tsunade being faster than part 1 Lee other than Tsunade being a "Sannin" and Lee being a "genin kid"?
A few uncovered that Tsunade was able to run properly despite he got hammered in the same day. That's not possible in normal standards.
 

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Is there anything in the manga suggests that Tsunade being faster than part 1 Lee other than Tsunade being a "Sannin" and Lee being a "genin kid"?

- Running like 200 meters in 5 seconds when she was run out of chakra
- blitzing Madara's clones
 

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- Running like 200 meters in 5 seconds when she was run out of chakra
- blitzing Madara's clones
200 Meters in 5 seconds? Scan plz.

And she didn't blitz Susanoo. She attacked it with normal speed. Susanoo itself wasn't fast in that state.. can give you enough examples.
 

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EXACTLY.

People take ranks way too seriously.
In first place, Databook measure Base Speed, speed that can be boosted with chakra control, as we have seen in part 1. And Tsunade happens to be an expert on Chakra Control.
Secondly, the fact that Lee is faster than her when he open gates or when he is drunk, doesn't mean Tsunade can't land a hit on him nor is unable block his attacks, Orochimaru is faster than Tsunade, he has 4.5 in the Databook as well as Kimmimaro, and she was able to Injure and Paralyze his summon and land a direct hit on his face 2 times.
 
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200 Meters in 5 seconds? Scan plz.

And she didn't blitz Susanoo. She attacked it with normal speed. Susanoo itself wasn't fast in that state.. can give you enough examples.



Tsunade was on the verge of death [ ], yet a few seconds later she appeared in front of Naruto. [ ]
Probably it was more then 200 meters taking into consideration Konoha's size. She was at the top of the Hokage building, Naruto and Pain were at the center of the village [ ]


A healthy and rested Tsuande is obviously faster then this. Hope you can't argue with this.

Just because you think she didn't blitzed the clones it doesn't mean you are right.
 
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Lee is obviously faster than tsunade.
Just CE weightless Lee was so fast that it seemed like he was teleporting when fighting gaara.
1 gate Lee was able to create a vortex off sheer speed
5gate Lee was able to create 'sonic booms' with his fists and was impossible to see with the naked eye.

What's tsunade's speed feats? Fanfiction. In all honesty, feats suggest gated(3+) Lee and guy are much faster than v2 ay and 1gate Lee is possibly as fast as v1 ay.(inb4 some idiot claims I said Lee can beat ay anywhere there) Tsunade isn't on the level of 1gate Lee.
 

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Is there anything in the manga suggests that Tsunade being faster than part 1 Lee other than Tsunade being a "Sannin" and Lee being a "genin kid"?

No but common sense plays a huge role in such cases.
 

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Tsunade was on the verge of death [ ], yet a few seconds later she appeared in front of Naruto. [ ]
Probably it was more then 200 meters taking into consideration Konoha's size. She was at the top of the Hokage building, Naruto and Pain were at the center of the village [ ]


A healthy and rested Tsuande is obviously faster then this. Hope you can't argue with this.

Just because you think she didn't blitzed the clones it doesn't mean you are right.
Truly a shame to call this a feat. It really is.
 

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Lee is obviously faster than tsunade.
Just CE weightless Lee was so fast that it seemed like he was teleporting when fighting gaara.
1 gate Lee was able to create a vortex off sheer speed
5gate Lee was able to create 'sonic booms' with his fists and was impossible to see with the naked eye.

What's tsunade's speed feats? Fanfiction. In all honesty, feats suggest gated(3+) Lee and guy are much faster than v2 ay and 1gate Lee is possibly as fast as v1 ay.(inb4 some idiot claims I said Lee can beat ay anywhere there) Tsunade isn't on the level of 1gate Lee.
So what? For being faster he can beat her? Sure, why not? They should have put Lee as Hokage then...
The fact Lee is faster with open gates doesn't mean Tsunade cannot block or counter his attacks...
If speed was that important in a battle Lee should have took the 3 sound ninjas by himself, and Gaara, but he didn't...
 

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Tsunade is one of the slowest characters in the series.
 

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And you still can't accept her feats. Great.
People like Kimimaro displayed great speed and agility shown in an actual battle, when dodging certain attacks and being hyped by his opponents in several occasions regarding that matter. And you come to tell me that a Tsunade which was on the verge on death covered a distance of 200 meters in 5 seconds, based on some off panel actions with no sense but let Tsunade appear before Pain with the only intend to cover a plot situation of Naruto rescuing her. You come to tell me that Tsunade could run properly despite she drunk at the same day, implying that should be a considered speed feat.

Don't be an example for stupid Tsunade fans.
 

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Wasn't even 5 seconds. Kimimaro was so fast that Gaara's sand didn't notice.
 

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Lee got out of the hospital at the age of 13, covered the distance much less time his comrades did when he was just out of a life risking surgery, appeared when he was nowhere to be seen in an open field and lastly laid a succesful attack on Kimimaro while Kimimaro was about to kill Naruto in point blank range; something continous attacks of 1000 kyuubi enhanced clones of Naruto could not do .



 

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Doesn't really matter if she is not as fast as Kimmimaro anyway... The fastest doesn't always win... Besides, Tsunade has landed hits to faster opponents before, why Kimmimaro would be the exception?
 

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I guess with that argument, Tsunade can also land hits on the Flash.
 

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Tsunade has landed hits to faster opponents before, why Kimmimaro would be the exception?

oro was catched ofguard
madara was toying around and his clones were walking
tsunade never hit anyone who was fast and fighting seriously
 
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Changed my mind. Kimimaro wins. Tsunade won't even be able to land a hit on this guy.​
 

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I guess with that argument, Tsunade can also land hits on the Flash.
What about some proofs then?
Orochimaru 4.5 Level in Speed.
Kimmimaro 4.5 Level in Speed.
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Orochimaru was fighting seriously, he wanted to have his arms healed.
 

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So what? For being faster he can beat her? Sure, why not? They should have put Lee as Hokage then...
The fact Lee is faster with open gates doesn't mean Tsunade cannot block or counter his attacks...
If speed was that important in a battle Lee should have took the 3 sound ninjas by himself, and Gaara, but he didn't...

No. For being fast. Immune to any lucky punch. Regenerative. and a double edged sword. He kicks the shit out of her ass. That's so obvious it's beyond ridiculous.

If tsunade punches Kimi; If it's not super powerful, Kimi's bone tanks it.
If tsunade punches kimi and shatters his bones and does some damage, Kimi automatically regenerates (part of his KKG).
If tsunade even tries to touch kimi, he does dance of the camellia and tsunade severely injures herself.

What happens when tsunade takes too much damage? Her chakra pool runs the hell out. That'd happen very quickly when all she can do is punch a regenerating, spiked tank.. Oh, which can also attack back far faster than her and riddle her with damage when she's not landing hits.

Can lee do any of this? Didn't think so. So, maybe you should take your hyperbole and leave with it because it doesn't help your argument at all.
"hurr durr, Tsunade's stronger than kimi who can absorb far more damage than her. She mussstttt win. She regerates right???? I mean, kimi does too but... Tsunade man! She's a sannin, and Kimi's an unranked henchman who was claimed invinsible by Kabuto (who whipped tsunade) and prized by orochimaru(who hates weaklings)... Oh and also called him near indestructible. But, hey tsunade! because... Tsunade!!!"

Just stop. Your lee argument was completely irrelevant.

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What about some proofs then?
Orochimaru 4.5 Level in Speed.
Kimmimaro 4.5 Level in Speed.
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Orochimaru was fighting seriously, he wanted to have his arms healed.


Orochimaru : Taijutsu 3.5.
You conveniently left that out huh. But, based on your very example, I'm sure Orochimaru can dodge as well as kimi and lee because of speed. Not like evasion is part of Combat skill :|
 
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