Tsunade vs. Kimmimaro

[Sakuradasoloqueen]

Tsunade easy mid diff.She is better than him.Her summon explains it.

 

[Keimil]

Lol? Tactics and strategy? Is tsunade going to bore him to death? There's nothing going on here but punch and kick your opponent till they die. None of them have spectacular ninjutsu; They're both just taijutsu. Tsunade's going to throw boulders are his steel bones and hope the lord helps her? Lol


This would make any sense if he didn't die to an incurable disease that kabuto was trying to prolong his death against :|


Kakashi still

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to him. so...
It doesn't even matter how he defeated tsunade seeing as he was a 2 in taijutsu and a 3 in speed. The guy was complete garbage in CQC

1) What about Katsuyu's acid? What about sleep-gas bombs? What about breaking one of his bones and stab him with one??
And what about Kimmimaro? What is HE going to do to her but cutting and piercing her? And we know both Byakugou Tsunade and Katsuyu can tank those kind of attack with no major difficulty...

And Tsunade will land a punch sooner or later, the fact he is faster (per 1 point) doesn't mean he will evade every single blow, I can show you fights whose winner wasn't the fastest...

2)Exactly, so what Kabuto said wasn't accurate...

3There is a big difference between admitting inferiority and being defeated by someone.

The same kabuto who took on kakashi and tsunade in earlier chapter.

Kabuto was 3.5 in both Taijutsu and Speed in the Second Databook. But he was a 5 in Intelligence.
He knew Tsunade's fight style from Orochimaru and knew her blood fear as well.

 

[Avinash012]

1) Read your scans. Lee landed that hit because it was too unpredictable. Nothing else. Tsunade has no unpredictable drunken fist.

2) Kabuto already beat up tsunade and had a bout with Kakashi. That same kabuto said kimimaro was basically invincible. The same kabuto oro said was around kakashi's level (Anbu jounin). And, the same kabuto kakashi said he'd need a team to take on.

3) She only hit kabuto because he was immobile with his eyes closed. If you'd read the manga you'd have noticed the part when kabuto, who tsunade said was probably a better medic than her (because of his scalpels), stated that it's near impossible to properly hit someone with these types of techs in combat because they're too precise. So this nonsense people like to state that "Tsunade can perfectly hit the correct nerve behind her opponents neck in mid combat" is completely wrong.

4) here's your speed proof.

Tsunade

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Databook Ninjutsu Taijutsu Genjutsu Intelligence Strength Speed Stamina Hand seals Total
Third 5 5 3.5 5 5 3.5 4 4 35

Lee

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Databook Ninjutsu Taijutsu Genjutsu Intelligence Strength Speed Stamina Hand seals Total
First 0.5 3.5 0.5 1.5 3 4 3 1 17
Second 0.5 4 0.5 1.5 3.5 4 3 1 18
Third 0.5 5 1 2 4.5 4.5 3.5 1 22

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Databook Ninjutsu Taijutsu Genjutsu Intelligence Strength Speed Stamina Hand seals Total
First 3.5 1 1 4 1.5 4 2 4 21

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Make more excuses.

Is it just me or ur really taking Databook that seriously?
Tsunade has 5 points for Taijutsu and so is Kimimaro,so he ain't killing Tsunade without getting a single hit from Tsunade as they are compatable to eachother,Why are bringing Speed again and again ? Didn't I already said that she can just catch him while getting injuries from Kimi like she did to Oro?
U still didn't tell me how this dude even kills Tsunade without even knowing anything about her abilities,in order to injure her he had no choise but to get near Tsunade as he is a taijutsu user so catching him at that time isn't a big deal for Tsunade and avoiding it is not possible for Kimi as that move is unpredictable and he can't dodge/escape that kind of moves as u said above.
Ur talking like as if Kimi can kill her with single hit which is impossible ,hell even Susanno swords failed to kill that shit and ur expecting lameass bones to kill her?
Saying that a close range combat user can kill a fellow taijutsu user without getting a single hit from the enemy when the enemy is a top class Taijutsu user and it is almost impossible to kill him/her with physical attacks is the most retarted logic I have ever seen.


Kimimaro isn't winning this battle unless u think that he can kill her without getting a single hit which is beyond stupidity.

yes
I don't think Tsunade can do anything she hasn't shown
this is the point of a ****ing vs match lol

What?
Ur the type of guy who asks for scans of Minato using Rasengan even though manga clearly stated that the dude invented it.
Common sense plays a huge role in ***ing VS threads.

such a waste of data.. kimi's taijutsu/speed feats shit on kabuto.. also he can grow bones from his body if tsunade tries to hit or touch him she will just get her hands pierced

Or her fist just breaks those lameass bones.

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

Tsunade easy mid diff.She is better than him.Her summon explains it.

Her summon is useless against Bone Forest, which allows Kimmimaro to completely avoid any acid and cause Tsunade potentially battle-ending harm until

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[Byakusharinnegan]

Is it just me or ur really taking Databook that seriously?
Tsunade has 5 points for Taijutsu and so is Kimimaro,so he ain't killing Tsunade without getting a single hit from Tsunade as they are compatable to eachother,Why are bringing Speed again and again ? Didn't I already said that she can just catch him while getting injuries from Kimi like she did to Oro?
U still didn't tell me how this dude even kills Tsunade without even knowing anything about her abilities,in order to injure her he had no choise but to get near Tsunade as he is a taijutsu user so catching him at that time isn't a big deal for Tsunade and avoiding it is not possible for Kimi as that move is unpredictable and he can't dodge/escape that kind of moves as u said above.
Ur talking like as if Kimi can kill her with single hit which is impossible ,hell even Susanno swords failed to kill that shit and ur expecting lameass bones to kill her?
Saying that a close range combat user can kill a fellow taijutsu user without getting a single hit from the enemy when the enemy is a top class Taijutsu user and it is almost impossible to kill him/her with physical attacks is the most retarted logic I have ever seen.


Kimimaro isn't winning this battle unless u think that he can kill her without getting a single hit which is beyond stupidity.

Allow us to fully analyze Gaara's attack on Kimmimaro, and why he can survive a Tsunade barrage.

We all know that even at the ripe age of twelve, Gaara's regular gourd sand

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That same attack had little to no effect on Kimmimaro, who explicitly stated that he created a bone mask under his skin to avoid injury. [

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Following that, in CE2, Kimmimaro took no more injury from

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.We're not here to debate whether or not physics take place here, especially combined with the effects of the attacks he took earlier, Kimmimaro should have been down here. But as we can see, not only did he manage to dig himself out, he was able to retaliate with his strongest attack.

Tsunade doesn't have Gaara's ability in defense, nor can Katsuyu serve as a meat shield to this. She has no way out of

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, and you know it.

I still stand by my original post that between Kimmimaro's speed in both CE and base, strength, and durability, he can definitely survive a Tsunade barrage, not simply a single punch.

 

[Keimil]

Tsunade doesn't have Gaara's ability in defense, nor can Katsuyu serve as a meat shield to this. She has no way out of

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, and you know it.

I still stand by my original post that between Kimmimaro's speed in both CE and base, strength, and durability, he can definitely survive a Tsunade barrage, not simply a single punch.

Tsunade has Byakugou, so cutting and piercing her with bones won't stop her, she may got stabbed but she will break them and set herself free:

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Katsuyu is very durable against any type of physical attack, because as soon as she is hit, she can just burst into many smaller versions, then rebuild back again.

Ok, she is slower and has less stamina, or should i say, her base speed and base stamina are slower than Kimmimaro's?
Since Byakugou we know Tsunade can tank really offensive attacks and regenerate the injuries instantly, so her stamina highly increase during this jutsu, and we all know since part 1 that chakra control can be used to increase someone's speed:

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So there is no major advantage on his side. But she can use tactics, discover his weak point, exploiting her 5 in Intelligence. There is no jutsu that give him the experience and cleverness of a 55 year old Sannin.

 

[Murasame]

Oh ok, I guess... whatever that is...

Taking a bait must be proving someone wrong then...

Sure why not XD

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

Tsunade has Byakugou, so cutting and piercing her with bones won't stop her, she may got stabbed but she will break them and set herself free:

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Katsuyu is very durable against any type of physical attack, because as soon as she is hit, she can just burst into many smaller versions, then rebuild back again.

Ok, she is slower and has less stamina, or should i say, her base speed and base stamina are slower than Kimmimaro's?
Since Byakugou we know Tsunade can tank really offensive attacks and regenerate the injuries instantly, so her stamina highly increase during this jutsu, and we all know since part 1 that chakra control can be used to increase someone's speed:

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So there is no major advantage on his side. But she can use tactics, discover his weak point, exploiting her 5 in Intelligence. There is no jutsu that give him the experience and cleverness of a 55 year old Sannin.

Breaking the bones of Sawarabi no Mei will have no effect, seeing as Kimmimaro will simply grow more. I have no doubt that he can decapitate her with the Tessenka no Mai.

And who is to say Kimmimaro can't do the same in terms of chakra? In case you haven't noticed, there hasn't been a single battle in which Tsunade has devised a strategy above mere trickery, so I don't know where you're getting this 'cleverness' from.

Not to mention that even with that slight speed boost, Tsunade's speed still pales in comparison to that of CE2 Kimmimaro's.

He survived a blitz from both Drunk and Sober Lee, and both of those are easily better than Tsunade in sole Taijutsu. Lee follows a specific style, and he's much faster than Tsunade. Tsunade, in comparison to him, may as well be wildly flailing her arms about in an attempt to land a hit. Kimmimaro effortlessly soloed more than a hundred Naruto clones, and he reacted to Lee. Tsunade shouldn't be a problem for him in terms of reaction.

 

[Keimil]

Sure why not XD

Oh that's supposed to be funny? Let me know sooner, so i can laugh with you of how smart is Kimimaro...

Breaking the bones of Sawarabi no Mei will have no effect, seeing as Kimmimaro will simply grow more. I have no doubt that he can decapitate her with the Tessenka no Mai.

And who is to say Kimmimaro can't do the same in terms of chakra? In case you haven't noticed, there hasn't been a single battle in which Tsunade has devised a strategy above mere trickery, so I don't know where you're getting this 'cleverness' from.

Not to mention that even with that slight speed boost, Tsunade's speed still pales in comparison to that of CE2 Kimmimaro's.

He survived a blitz from both Drunk and Sober Lee, and both of those are easily better than Tsunade in sole Taijutsu. Lee follows a specific style, and he's much faster than Tsunade. Tsunade, in comparison to him, may as well be wildly flailing her arms about in an attempt to land a hit. Kimmimaro effortlessly soloed more than a hundred Naruto clones, and he reacted to Lee. Tsunade shouldn't be a problem for him in terms of reaction.

1) I said she can break his bones to set herself free, like she did in the scan i posted, I didn't said that action will damage him. But probably she can attack him with the bones she breaks, as she did with Susanno.

2) Tsunade hasn't many battles in the series, but her cleverness is stated in the Databook, she is level 5 in Intelligence, I already said that...

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Why Kimmimaro can't do what Tsunade in terms of chakra control? Probably he can increase his speed, but not the way a 55 year old chakra-control expert Sannin can, don't you think? He is 15!

3) I don't think those Lees were better than Tsunade in Taijutsu, you think Part 1 Lee can beat her? Just with Speed? Again, Lee base speed is better than Tsunade's. Besides, there many fights where the fastest didn't become victorious, and the fact that her opponent is faster than her doesn't mean she can't react fast enough to block the attack.

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

Oh that's supposed to be funny? Let me know sooner, so i can laugh with you of how smart is Kimimaro...



1) I said she can break his bones to set herself free, like she did in the scan i posted, I didn't said that action will damage him. But probably she can attack him with the bones she breaks, as she did with Susanno.

2) Tsunade hasn't many battles in the series, but her cleverness is stated in the Databook, she is level 5 in Intelligence, I already said that...

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Why Kimmimaro can't do what Tsunade in terms of chakra control? Probably he can increase his speed, but not the way a 55 year old chakra-control expert Sannin can, don't you think? He is 15!

3) I don't think those Lees were better than Tsunade in Taijutsu, you think Part 1 Lee can beat her? Just with Speed? Again, Lee base speed is better than Tsunade's. Besides, there many fights where the fastest didn't become victorious, and the fact that her opponent is faster than her doesn't mean she can react fast enough to block the attack.

Remember, intelligence isn't limited to only strategy and planning. Shikamaru has a 5 in the databook; his intelligence is based on strategy, though I highly doubt he'll be creating any jutsu soon, much less a jutsu that's the pinnacle of its category. That is where Tsunade's intelligence lies, in jutsu creation and not as much strategy.

Again, Lee base speed is better than Tsunade's.

You pretty much just proved my point. Byakugo doesn't enhance Tsunade's speed, and Kimmimaro is easily faster than Lee. Since you like the databook, you can see that Kimmimaro has a 4.5 in base while Tsunade only has a 3.5.

In solely Taijutsu, I believe Part 1 Lee can defeat Tsunade. Power means nothing if you can't hit your opponent, and Tsunade can't hit Lee; especially not weightless Lee.

The speed boost from chakra control is minor, and you're massively overrating it. At most, she can't increase her speed more than half a databook point, and that's being lenient.

But probably she can attack him with the bones she breaks, as she did with Susanno.

That seriously made me laugh out loud. If we're still talking about Bone Forest, she's going to be impaled again as soon she she breaks the current bone impaling her. And even if this 'strategy' of yours works in term of another bone not sprouting, how is she going to pinpoint his location? By the time she swings the bone, her brain is going to be flying away from Kimmimaro's Tessenka no Mai.

Now tell me, because I'm genuinely curious. What counter do you believe she has to Tessenka no Mai?

 

[Keimil]

Remember, intelligence isn't limited to only strategy and planning. Shikamaru has a 5 in the databook; his intelligence is based on strategy, though I highly doubt he'll be creating any jutsu soon, much less a jutsu that's the pinnacle of its category. That is where Tsunade's intelligence lies, in jutsu creation and not as much strategy.

You pretty much just proved my point. Byakugo doesn't enhance Tsunade's speed, and Kimmimaro is easily faster than Lee. Since you like the databook, you can see that Kimmimaro has a 4.5 in base while Tsunade only has a 3.5.

In solely Taijutsu, I believe Part 1 Lee can defeat Tsunade. Power means nothing if you can't hit your opponent, and Tsunade can't hit Lee; especially not weightless Lee.

The speed boost from chakra control is minor, and you're massively overrating it. At most, she can't increase her speed more than half a databook point, and that's being lenient.



That seriously made me laugh out loud. If we're still talking about Bone Forest, she's going to be impaled again as soon she she breaks the current bone impaling her. And even if this 'strategy' of yours works in term of another bone not sprouting, how is she going to pinpoint his location? By the time she swings the bone, her brain is going to be flying away from Kimmimaro's Tessenka no Mai.

Now tell me, because I'm genuinely curious. What counter do you believe she has to Tessenka no Mai?

1) The Databook measure the skills of the Shinobi, the stat Intelligence measure IQ of each character, as well as "the amount of knowledge", that what it says in one of the firsts pages of the databook (I read it in spanish and translate it, maybe there is another translation).

2) Of course Byakugou doesn't make her faster, just her precise chakra control. Again, only speed doesn't win any battle.

3) I think she can defeat/stomp Rock Lee, the fact that Lee can blitz his opponent doesn't make him the winner, If it was that easy, Lee should have won against the 3 Sound Ninjas, and he couldn't even defeat Dosu, or Gaara. Maybe Tsunade cannot move as fast as him, but that doesn't mean she can't counter or block, here is where her experience and her 5 level Intelligence play their role. Orochimaru (even if he didn't have his arms) is a 4.5 level in Speed, and I remember Tsunade being able to punch him, and also injuring and paralyzing his summon, Manda.

4) Tsunade can tank the damage, she had tanked worse than the Bone Forest, besides she could be on top of Katsuyu the whole time, and with its splitting skill, it would be just fine...

Tessenka no Mai? The sword that turns into a chain? I don't think it would be a good idea throwing a chain to Tsunade:

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To sum up, Tsunade can tank, or block Kimmimaro's attacks, because all of his attacks are about cutting and piercing, and that won't stop Byakugou Tsunade nor Katsuyu. I believe she has the power to break and seriously damage his body, with her strength, with the bones she manage to cut off from him, with Katsuyu's acid, attacking his nerves or using sleep-gas bombs. Sorry, but i don't think Tsunade would loose to a 15 year old boy.

Ok, so this is my last post on this thread, I enjoyed debating with you, but none of your points have changed my opinion, and neither have mine changed yours, so there is nothing else for me to say here. I respect your opinion, but i don't share it, sorry.

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

1) The Databook measure the skills of the Shinobi, the stat Intelligence measure IQ of each character, as well as "the amount of knowledge", that what it says in one of the firsts pages of the databook (I read it in spanish and translate it, maybe there is another traduction).

2) Of course Byakugou doesn't make her faster, just her precise chakra control. Again, only speed doesn't win any battle.

3) I think she can defeat/stomp Rock Lee, the fact that Lee can blitz his opponent doesn't make him the winner, If it was that easy, Lee should have won against the 3 Sound Ninjas, and he couldn't even defeat Dosu, or Gaara. Maybe Tsunade cannot move as fast as him, but that doesn't mean she can't counter or block, here is where her experience and her 5 level Intelligence play their role. Orochimaru (even if he didn't have his arms) is a 4.5 level in Speed, and I remember Tsunade being able to punch him, and also injuring and paralyzing his summon, Manda.

4) Tsunade can tank the damage, she had tanked worse than the Bone Forest, besides she could be on top of Katsuyu the whole time, and with its splitting skill, it would be just fine...

Tessenka no Mai? The sword that turns into a chain? I don't think it would be a good idea throwing a chain to Tsunade:

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To sum up, Tsunade can tank, or block Kimmimaro's attacks, because all of his attacks are about cutting and piercing, and that won't stop Byakugou Tsunade nor Katsuyu. I believe she has the power to break and seriously damage his body, with her stregth, with the bones she manage to cut off from him, with Katsuyu's acid, attacking his nerves or using sleep-gas bombs. Sorry, but i don't think Tsunade would loose to a 15 year old boy.

Ok, so this is my last post on this thread, I enjoyed debating with you, but none of your points have changed my opinion, and neither have mine changed yours, so there is nothing else for me to say here. I respect your opinion, but i don't share it, sorry.

Well then, good debate, I suppose.

 

[SasukeUchiha910]

Kimimaro's speed isn't that much higher that it would actually matter in CG battle. Kimimaro wins a race tough.
Tsunade can take Kimimaro's attacks while Kimimaro really can't take hers.
If Tsunade manages to for example grab Kimimaro it would be over there.

pretty sure oro with no hands survived a direct hit

 

[Strict]

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Landing a hit on Kimimaro is a rarity. Lee with superior speed to Tsunade and drunken state had unpredictable movements

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Though Lee additionally activated his gate to increase speed.

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[TheEvilOne]

Only the databook suggests part1 Lee is faster then a Sannin.

 

[Strict]

The databook leaves the official stats of a person. It's not based on your hype or assumption. It was part1 Lee with a speed of 4, plus the Sake he drunk to make his movements unpredictable and later activated even a gate to increase speed. You can't just suggest Tsunade has more speed and flexibility based on a baseless argumentation.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

This debate is laughable.​

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[Byakusharinnegan]

This debate is laughable.​

And how so.

 

[paratise]

Is there anything in the manga suggests that Tsunade being faster than part 1 Lee other than Tsunade being a "Sannin" and Lee being a "genin kid"?

 

[Byakusharinnegan]

Is there anything in the manga suggests that Tsunade being faster than part 1 Lee other than Tsunade being a "Sannin" and Lee being a "genin kid"?

EXACTLY.

People take ranks way too seriously.