Kakashi vs Itachi

[EZQ]

Well I have been wondering about if itachi does indeed need to pull out full susanoo to use the items. However what do u think of this?

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I can see itachi using just a susanoo limb to wield the yata mirror and another limb to yield the totsuka blade. Just speculation though.

That's edo Itachi, there's no doubt edo itachi beats Kakashi, i'm only using feats from alive itachi

 

[Shura]

@AC

ya I agree. itachi with intel on kamui would put up susanoo and immediately go on the defensive. Hmm u have to elaborate more on the kamui having to warp susanoo first to get through. Also I do agree with yata rendering kamui useless. Owarij's thread while back convinced me that kamui was astral and that yata has the capabilities of blocking off astral attacks.

Simple. Kamui doesn't just appear there. The Chakra has to get there somehow and how exactly can that happen? By

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just like Amaterasu. Chakra used for Kamui has to travel from Kakashi to Itachi so that it could start warping. However, it cannot just start warping Itachi who is sitting inside Susano'o if the Chakra hits a solid object like Susano'o before that. It will just start warping the Susano'o instead.

Same thing happened

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. You can see the Kamui basically travelling from Kakashi's eye. Also take a look at

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. Amaterasu was travelling and Chakra hit a solid object (Obito's shield) before it got to Obito himself so it appeared on Obito's shield instead.​

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Simple. Kamui doesn't just appear there. The Chakra has to get there somehow and how exactly can that happen? By travelling just like Amaterasu. Chakra used for Kamui has to travel from Kakashi to Itachi so that it could start warping.

Fanfiction.

The void is formed where Kakashi looks.

It doesn't travel, it spawns.

The scan simply emphasises on his Mangekyou.

 

[EZQ]

@AC

ya I agree. itachi with intel on kamui would put up susanoo and immediately go on the defensive. Hmm u have to elaborate more on the kamui having to warp susanoo first to get through. Also I do agree with yata rendering kamui useless. Owarij's thread while back convinced me that kamui was astral and that yata has the capabilities of blocking off astral attacks.

Yata does block Kamui, but Itachi won't be using Yata faster than Kakashi's kamui...

 

[Optimistic]

Simple. Kamui doesn't just appear there. The Chakra has to get there somehow and how exactly can that happen? By

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just like Amaterasu. Chakra used for Kamui has to travel from Kakashi to Itachi so that it could start warping. However, it cannot just start warping Itachi who is sitting inside Susano'o if the Chakra hits a solid object like Susano'o before that. It will just start warping the Susano'o instead.

Same thing happened

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. You can see the Kamui basically travelling from Kakashi's eye. Also take a look at

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. Amaterasu was travelling and Chakra hit a solid object (Obito's shield) before it got to Obito himself so it appeared on Obito's shield instead.​

Dat fanfiction ain't saving your ass today.

Kakashi wins all scenarios.

 

[Shura]

1) Just a lil bit more chakra? The difference of power between v2 and v3 is big, Itachi would take more time to activate V3.

2) He will se the chakra building up on kakashi's eye? Kakashi's kamui works faster than Obito's sight, Itachi won't see it, or he will just see it but wont be able to react to it.

3) Itachi has no feat of putting v3 susanoo of an instant, so by MANGA FEATS, he can't put up yata faster than kakashi's kamui, maybe he could if we had seen more of his battles while he was alive, but sadly, that's not part of his feats, so forgive me for just following what manga says.

4) Crow genjutsu? Kakashi has knowledge of Itachi, he wouldn't fall for that, also dont forget Kakashi didn't get caught on Obito's genjutsu, a med level genjutsu wont work on him.

1. No. Activating Susano'o stages takes the same exact time, seeing as how Itachi activated a whole V2 Susano'o as fast as he activated a

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2. Itachi reacted to lightning. If you think Kakashi activating Kamui is faster than lightning so Itachi can't react then I don't know what to say to you.

3. Going by the manga, it takes

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to activate V3.

4. Knowledge on Itachi doesn't change a single thing. Dusk Crow Genjustu requires no eye contact or finger contact, he will be caught inside of it and before he even thinks of breaking out of it or before he even realizes that he is in a Genjutsu, Itachi will already be there next to him and cutting his head off thanks to his Shunshin. Even so, if you expect Kakashi to use Kamui, he'll be forced to make eye contact with Itachi meaning Tsukuyomi 1shots.​

Dat fanfiction ain't saving your ass today.

Kakashi wins all scenarios.

Oh yes, despite the fact that we have seen Kamui travel from the eye every time or do you think that the Chakra just magically appears there?​

 

[Airbear]

Tim scenario one?

Base itachi and base madara has already showed the ability to utilize susanoo. Kishi was hinting that this feat could be done when sick base itachi did it. In my eyes its official when eyeless madara did it. 3 tomoe *** on ms restricted kakashi

 

[Optimistic]

st jutsu is instant.U_U

kakashi warped the gedo's arm off when it was getting summoned to madara via st jutsu,

instant > lightning speed. U_U

Itachi had time to prepare for the attack while the dragon was floating in the sky and sasuke talking.

Kakashi can kamui faster than the speed of light Itachi doesn't stand a chance.U_U

Tim scenario one?

Base itachi and base madara has already showed the ability to utilize susanoo. Kishi was hinting that this feat could be done when sick base itachi did it. In my eyes its official when eyeless madara did it. 3 tomoe *** on ms restricted kakashi

Kakashi wins high diff.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Kirin ain't even lightning speed, though.

Kakashi wins high diff.

Huh?

What pushes him to high?

He's superior in stamina, intelligence and ninjutsu.

Itachi's best katon is what, the rank C fireball?

All genjutsu is fodderised by the Sharingan.

 

[Optimistic]

Oh yes, despite the fact that we have seen Kamui travel from the eye every time or do you think that the Chakra just magically appears there?​

chakra can do anything, chakra allows sasori to fight without a brain.

 

[Airbear]

Kakashi low-mid diff.



Kakashi stomps, Kamui is faster than anything Itachi has.



Which has nothing to do with battle intelligence.

Also Kakashi outsmarted Itachi already.

LOL at kakashi outsmarting itachi. I believe itachi's objective was to momentarily stop naruto's squad? Am I wrong? So an itachi with no intent to kill, that had to focus on sakura, chiyo, naruto and kakashi was outsmarted by kakashi. Awesome, outsmarted by an all out kakashi, who already admitted to naruto that he needs his help to take a 30 percent itachi out.

 

[Shura]

chakra can do anything, chakra allows sasori to fight without a brain.

(-_- )

Ok.​

 

[Optimistic]

LOL at kakashi outsmarting itachi. I believe itachi's objective was to momentarily stop naruto's squad? Am I wrong? So an itachi with no intent to kill, that had to focus on sakura, chiyo, naruto and kakashi was outsmarted by kakashi. Awesome, outsmarted by an all out kakashi, who already admitted to naruto that he needs his help to take a 30 percent itachi out.

This is current Kakashi

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.U_U
Itachi can stay in susano'o while kakashi out lasts him.

(-_- )

Ok.​

Fodder.

 

[Airbear]

Kirin ain't even lightning speed, though.



Huh?

What pushes him to high?

He's superior in stamina, intelligence and ninjutsu.

Itachi's best katon is what, the rank C fireball?

All genjutsu is fodderised by the Sharingan.

GTFO with this intelligence nonsense. Oh goodness. As if itachi needs ninjutsu to finish ms restricted kakashi. Superior shunsin allows itachi to move in on kakashi and engage genjustu. LOL at sharingan fodderising itachi's genjutsu. It doesn't matter how strong itachi's genjutsu is. All he needs is a second for kakashi to be trapped either in a finger gejutsu, crow genjutsu, or one of his haxxed reality-simulation genjustu; than its a slit to the throat.

The post regarding itachi using susanoo in base, and then ur reply to it was kakashi high-diff clarifies how clouded ur view is on this matchup.

Edit: my bad that was tim. Tim stop trolling me

 

[Optimistic]

The post regarding itachi using susanoo in base, and then ur reply to it was kakashi high-diff clarifies how clouded ur view is on this matchup.

Kakashi wins high diff. Susano'o will only deplete Itachi's chakra.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

LOL at kakashi outsmarting itachi. I believe itachi's objective was to momentarily stop naruto's squad? Am I wrong? So an itachi with no intent to kill, that had to focus on sakura, chiyo, naruto and kakashi was outsmarted by kakashi. Awesome, outsmarted by an all out kakashi, who already admitted to naruto that he needs his help to take a 30 percent itachi out.

You do realise Itachi has next to no intelligence feats, right?

The most intelligent thing was saying that the Chibaku Tensei attracts projectiles, because you need to be Newton to figure that out.

Kakashi was stated to be smarter than Shikamaru, leads a ****ing war brigade and has already outsmarted Itachi during the Sasori arc.

Superior shunsin allows itachi to move in on kakashi and engage genjustu.

What superior shunshin?

Itachi blitzed Sasuke.

Kakashi cut through v2 Jins.

All he needs is a second for kakashi to be trapped either in a finger gejutsu, crow genjutsu, or one of his haxxed reality-simulation genjustu; than its a slit to the throat.

Which the Sharingan sees through.

They're useless.

 

[Optimistic]

GTFO with this intelligence nonsense. Oh goodness. As if itachi needs ninjutsu to finish ms restricted kakashi. Superior shunsin allows itachi to move in on kakashi and engage genjustu. LOL at sharingan fodderising itachi's genjutsu. It doesn't matter how strong itachi's genjutsu is. All he needs is a second for kakashi to be trapped either in a finger gejutsu, crow genjutsu, or one of his haxxed reality-simulation genjustu; than its a slit to the throat.

Genjutsu won't effect Kakashi, he can easily counter act his genjutsu like he did against Obito.U_U

Obito was able to control the kyuubi with 3T and put a perfect jin under genjutsu and yet itachi's 3T will hold him long enough to kill him? U_U

Kakashi bunshin feints and outlasts Itachi and if Itachi brings susano'o then GG for Itachi.

 

[Black Wolf]

Regarding scenario one, we've got two fighters with comparable base stats, except one has a larger arsenal of ninjutsu at his disposal, and can completely nullify Itachi's sole offensive element (Katon). Base Genjutsu will not be effective when Kakashi could match Obito's illusions. Giving Kakashi the edge in scenario one in the long run.

Scenario two isn't too clear cut.

 

[Airbear]

You do realise Itachi has next to no intelligence feats, right?

The most intelligent thing was saying that the Chibaku Tensei attracts projectiles, because you need to be Newton to figure that out.

Kakashi was stated to be smarter than Shikamaru, leads a ****ing war brigade and has already outsmarted Itachi during the Sasori arc.



What superior shunshin?

Itachi blitzed Sasuke.

Kakashi cut through v2 Jins.



Which the Sharingan sees through.

They're useless.

- Itachi having next to no intelligence feat? huuhhh not bothering with this.The hate is strong.
-This intelligence feat allowed them to defeat nagato, no biggy.
-Nardo said this and his word is absolute, already explained the 30 percent itachi scenario.

-Nice, please mention that one speed feat, that was actually in itachi's tsukyomi. lol having trouble deciphering real manga facts?

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How about these speed feats?
-Kakashi did this? Cool itachi was able to keep up with kcm nardo. Also an edo body does not give superior physical enhancement to the user, aside for madara. So I don't see why this feat can be included into itachi's vast feats of speed.

- So now sharingan grants immunity from genjutsu? hmmm no. It aids him from seeing past genjutsu but in itachis case, the time it takes for him to see past an itachi caliber gen, his head would already be sliding to the ground. So no they are not useless, as this combat-adept ninja will use weaker genjutsu to undoubtedly take advantage of time bought to end this fight.

 

[Tendou00]

Kakashi win both scenario, the only chance for Itachi would make MS Itachi vs 3T Kakashi.