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Of course. How could I ever doubt your superior Gaara debating skills? Pls. Forgive meh.
[VS] MS Lord Sasuke vs. Gaara
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dont have to have them,you are already getting owned by someone else. Ur spams simply prove you have no idea how sasuke wins.
This thread is a joke.
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You HIGHLY understimate the arrow.
1. Kakashi's only option was to kamui the arrow because he could barely react
We know that Kamui is extremely fast.
2. Danzo died 1 time because of that arrow andbwas forced to use izanagi
And after that he was forced to use mokuton.
3. Kabuto was not able to dodge the arrow the second time.
Now its save to say that both Kakashi and Kabuto are faster then Gaara.
And Cmon.... Do you really believe Gaara is able to pull up such a amount of sand
To completely block the arrow which fast kage level shinobi could barerly react against.
Enough time to prep kirin while on his summoning hawk, Owl clay bird deidaraa nd the other bord where
Able to outfly Gaara's sand. Keep in mind that
What he used against itachi was his last chakra, at the orochimaru hideout he
Was about to use ot right away without all the prep time.
Not to mention it was HEBI sasuke and we are currently talking about MS Sasuke
A taijutsu fight can obviously occur there is no need for mountain size level sand while
Sasuke can shunshin blitz around.
On my phone so gotta keep it short and a bit messy.
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He pulled up a large quantity of sand instantly
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there was no sign of the sand rising to block the C3 blast
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that much was made in such a short notice. Are you kidding me the arrow couldn't even fully pierce a pillar
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Gaara's defense is much better than a mere pillar. And that arrow was made quickly, the further he pulls the string the stronger and faster the arrow will be he pulled it and released it instantly in order to have a quick shot. That arrow wasn't at full speed. If he tries to make a full force arrow Gaara would've already brought up a large enough defense to block or make a sand bunshin.The one he was going to use at Oro hideout is featless for all we know it could be drastically weaker than the Kirin he used against Itachi, Current Gaara's reactions is greater than before due to him not suffering from insomnia and also where on earth did you get the hawk flying speed feats from? As of now Deidara's owl > hawk that appeared in 1 chapter only. Biju sized sand hands will catch it.
Not to mention it was HEBI sasuke and we are currently talking about MS Sasuke
No way not even Kimi who is around the same level speed as Sasuke couldn't get the opening to blitz Gaara. Gaara is airborn anyway so he won't blitz him at all.Lol Sasuke can't blitz his way out of a sand tsunami.
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Sunagakure (砂隠れの里, Sunagakure no Sato; Literally meaning "Village Hidden by Sand")
The Village is made out of sand, so creating a huge shield in such an area can be done quickly
and easily, not to mention the bomb was not going as fast as a Susano'o arrow.
If he is about to make such a amount of sand he is forced to use Sabaku Taisō which take
some time, In that time Sasuke can easily Shunshin blitz him considering the fact
that Gaara only have a mere 3 in speed, this means that he;
1. Have to get emergency sand from his back which could never be enough to fully block, the sword
of Kusunagi which can cut through a daimond hard defense infused with chidori and thus paralyze gaara.
Both you and I know that the arrow was not at full power, that statement is the same like saying
Susano'o is only cave size. We all know that arrow was just to ''capture'' Kabuto, it was not intented
to kill if he used it at full power the cave would probably be destroyed and caused much more trouble,
the second arrow landed So it save to assume gaara wouldn't be able to completly dodge it or make
a Bunshin in that short time while its almost instant.
We don't know if it was weaker but what we know is that.
1. He was about to destroy Yamato, Naruto and Sakura with it.
2. Orochimaru stopped because it would destroy his hideout.
I don't consider that a weak attack i'm sure it would pierce through his ''ultimate defence.''
About the hawk, his sand is not that fast, it is easily out-run-able keep in mind Sasuke has the MS
and can follow it's movements, the owl was slow as **** hawk's are know to be fast so its save to assume
that this is for the manga aswell.
Shunshin no jutsu is different from normal base speed, Deidara who had a 4.5 in speed could barely react to it,
Let see how gaara can do who is 1.5 slower.
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Uhh, yeah I'd assume so... because this isn't MS Sasuke if you're going to give him this level of susano'o with enton arrows. You should of specified that it's an EMS Sasuke without the PS.
Sasuke used Tsukiyomi on Danzo..? When..? You mean when Sasuke used his Sharingan Genjutsu which is inferior to Itachi's Tsukiyomi..? [
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. Sasuke didn't show any drawbacks to even begin to suggest it was Tsukiyomi in the first place. Lol, is that it? I was expecting a better feat then the enton arrow slicing through fodder Jubi clones just as Kiba had no problem doing as well. The susano'o arrow was shot and ran into a tree then stopped by solid concrete. The enton arrow in the scan was being used as a sword. Complete different means of usage. Furthermore, the enton arrow was stopped by chakra rods and couldn't even pierce through a OFRS [
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]Lmao, Gaara takes this.
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Alright, thanks for the jutsu descriptions..? You ain't even really saying anything.
MS Sasuke, assuming that is who we're still talking about, can't go straight into his V3 susano'o. He must first go into V2 to advance into V3 [
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] in order to proceed in firing an arrow [
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] then just to reload and fire which gave Danzo more then enough times to weave seals in order to activate his jutsu [
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]. Clearly, Gaara has enough time to counter between the time it takes to even activate the V3 by conjuring up a sand tsunami [
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] which not only blocks Sasukes line of site but serves as a good setup to remove Sasuke out of his susano'o [
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]. If not then Gaara can either A) Clone Feint [Takes a split second] or, B) block the susano'o arrow with his sand which withstood multiple susano'o swords at once [
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]Chidori and it's variants is a complete non-factor now that Gaara can fly out of range.
Enton shield is a non-factor in the face of Gaaras sand which can easily penetrate through it with no reprocussion. I don't even see where you're getting at with this.
So... Gaara takes it, medium-difficulty then?
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The only thing I'll point out is @bold Oh and also that this is Prime MS Sasuke meaning everything MS Sasuke has done or shown except this time he's in a fully restored condition. I'm not sure if he can use enton arrows but he can certainly use enton magatama's seeing as how they form from the orb that MS Sasuke's susanoo also possesses [
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]Anyways onto what you say. I believe Sasuke was still learning how to develop and master his susanoo through his fight against Danzo. Why do I believe this? Because in later events against Kakashi, Sasuke activated V2 or V3 whatever you call it in an instant [
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] Not only that but he also fired two arrows at Kakashi as well.. this displays the fact that Sasuke was gaining experience with his Susanoo. If it wasn't for Kakashi's eye which has been shown to activate quite fast he would've been dead.. I'm not so sure Gaara himself can react to this.Sasuke in the early stages of having MS was able to produce bijuu sized amaterasu flames.. refer back to his fight against the hachibi. Since this is prime ms sasuke I see no trouble in him using that to defend against gaara's sand.. which he did already previously. You might say he can't keep spamming amaterasu to that extent over and over but I believe he just needs to do it once and with those flames he'll just enton control to protect himself. Anyways I don't know who wins.. I don't even know if that last part of what I said was true lol ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) so please correct me if I'm wrong
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I doubt Sasuke can utilize the Susano'o portion of Enton: Kagutsuchi without EMS. AC, you use the scan of him having the black orb before EMS, and while that is true, why didn't Sasuke apply Enton to his arrows
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? You can clearly see the orb there.
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You have a point ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Perhaps he didn't master it up until that point.. after all he was still in development with Susanoo so that takes enton arrows out of question and even the magatamas
edit: never mind now that i think about it why isn't that orb covered in amaterasu? its different
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Current gaara? My brain saids sasuke but my heart saids gaara.:yeah:
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I've no idea, but he has shown to be able use Enton arrows with that exact same version of Susano'o during the Kabuto fight, but he didn't in that scan. Sasuke has never applied Enton to his sword or his arrows with MS, only EMS, so I'm going to stand by my position that Sasuke can't. Not to mention it would be taxing, would it not? Since its MS.
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Nah, he didn't activate the V3 Susano'o instantly at any point while wielding the MS. We see Sasuke charging Kakashi
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(Note: They are on top of the bridge) and didn't see them again until they were under the bridge and on top of the water [
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]I suppose releasing that huge amount of amaterasu and defending with enton might work temporarily, but that would put a whole lot of strain on Sasuke... like, to the point where he wouldn't even be able to maintain keeping up his susano'o; seeing as he was incapable of doing so by just releasing a small amount [
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], never mind enough to block a sand tsunami. Furthermore, Gaara can always attack Sasuke under the service as well as he did to Kimmimaro.
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Here is what I think (keep in mind its just speculation on my part) I believe up until that point he couldn't apply enton to anything because he had not yet unlocked Final Susanoo and it's enton orb yet. Since Sasuke had abused his MS without much break he lost his eye sight and couldn't display it.. I'm not making the argument that he can use enton arrows since I didn't quite believe it in the first place but that he can use enton magatamas since he does have the orb to use it. Yeah the difference bewteen MS and EMS Sasuke is that when MS Sasuke uses his MS techniques it taxes more chakra and he gets the strain while EMS doesn't
Yes I did take note that there was off panel fighting between the two but when it comes back to them you see Sasuke activating his MS without no sign of Susanoo covering him so yes what I do say still holds truth.
Yeah I know that... don't think I didn't take that into consideration after all this isn't EMS Sasuke. Well here are the two options I see for Sasuke. 1. After defending himself once with amaterasu (enton).. he can summon his hawk and take to the skies. Since he used a bijuu sized amaterasu it will definitely heat up the atmosphere and cause storm clouds to develop. In the manga to my knowledge Gaara has no info on Kirin so he won't suspect on what Sasuke will do and unlike in the manga scenario vs. Itachi, Sasuke won't give a speech so once Kirin is prepped he'll unleash it on Gaara resulting in his demise. (Gaara hasn't shown reaction feats to say he'll block it from what I know)
Option 2. Given the location there isn't much space so the battefield will mostly be covered in amaterasu flames.. from what I remember Sasuke's enton rendered gaara's sand useless so any sand attack that comes at sasuke won't work. Then again Gaara can get him under his feet so option 1 seems like the better choice Lol
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Just a point towards Sasuke's Tsukiyomi. It could be just weaker than what we've seen from Itachi.
It could be a similar situation to Sasuke's Amaterasu. As in; the time manipulation of Tsukiyomi could be a trait of Itachi's Tsukiyomi in the same fashion that Enton is specific to Sasuke's Amaterasu.
It could be a similar situation to Sasuke's Amaterasu. As in; the time manipulation of Tsukiyomi could be a trait of Itachi's Tsukiyomi in the same fashion that Enton is specific to Sasuke's Amaterasu.
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It could be a possibilty but was it really needed against Kakashí ?
We all know he was out of chakra at that moment so adding enton to the Arrow is just
wasting chakura and we all know what happened after that, yes his vision went blurry.
So I think he was just saving up Chakra.
We all know he was out of chakra at that moment so adding enton to the Arrow is just
wasting chakura and we all know what happened after that, yes his vision went blurry.
So I think he was just saving up Chakra.
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Gee I don't know.. I mean its not like the title states it at all.
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