Itachi and Obito are Psychopaths(And always will be)

[Hawker]

No, sociopaths lack empathy. Psychopaths however, do whatever they think is necessary to get what they want. Doesn't mean they lack empathy.

No sorry but you are wrong. I searched the internet for many sources of those two disorders and all they had in common was this:

• "Both psychopaths and sociopaths lack a moral compass. They are generally incapable of sympathizing with the feelings of others, and lack the set of ethics that tend to keep society from dissolving into a chaotic mess where everyone only looks out for themselves. They also have a non-existent or impaired sense of disgust, meaning they are able to look at things that would make another person turn away." ..
• "Both a psychopath and a sociopath have a complete disregard for the feelings and rights of others. "....
• "Both are antisocial personality disorders (ASPD); lack of empathy or conscience"...

So my main point still is that Itachi's caring for his village and love for his brother is essential for determining his personality. He isn't a psychopath because psychopath puts his own interest in front of everyone elses. What he did for Sasuke is the opposite of what a psychopath would do.
I agree though he is a cold, calculating person. But when doing things for the greater good and when the motives are essentially helping his loved ones, do you call that person a psychopath?
As I said earlier he is unique person with higher than average emotional and analyzing skills, which leads him to be a victim of the enviroment and to suffer the consequences of being able to make hard decision in the shinobi world.

If you for example compare Obito and Itachi, then we would see that in the end Obito did everything for himself with no regard for anyone else's well being. He completely lost his attachements to the world he is living and just wanted to destroy it, the way it was existing.
Itachi on the other hand had his villages and brothers interest in mind, in every hard decision he made.

So I still don't agree 'cause to me a very intelligent person who can turn off his emotions to do the actual right thing isn't the same as psychopath.

EDIT: I looked up more detailed info of what psychopathy as a disorder actually consists of. And as conclusion these are the points I found that disagree with your theory:
Pyschopaths are:
1. Extremely self-centered. - As been said. Is someone who puts his villages and brothers well being ahead of his own, a self-centered person?
2. Show no remorse or guilt toward their victims. - Itachi crying after the massacre vs Obito not giving a f*ck for anyone.
3. Psychopaths are always blaming other people for their actions. - Itachi carried the consequences of his actions on his shoulders and knew it was what he had to do and he's the one who has to live with it. Unlike Obito who blames Kakashi and the rest of the world for his misery.
4. Psychopaths are very deceptive and tend to lie continuously. - Not counting the double agent time of Itachi's life, he was actually pretty straightforward with people and always told the truth. Let's see Obito: pretended to be Madara. Lured Itachi into his plan and deceived him like the rest of the world of his true identity.

 

[Black Lee]

No sorry but you are wrong. I searched the internet for many sources of those two disorders and all they had in common was this:

• "Both psychopaths and sociopaths lack a moral compass. They are generally incapable of sympathizing with the feelings of others, and lack the set of ethics that tend to keep society from dissolving into a chaotic mess where everyone only looks out for themselves. They also have a non-existent or impaired sense of disgust, meaning they are able to look at things that would make another person turn away." ..
• "Both a psychopath and a sociopath have a complete disregard for the feelings and rights of others. "....
• "Both are antisocial personality disorders (ASPD); lack of empathy or conscience"...

So my main point still is that Itachi's caring for his village and love for his brother is essential for determining his personality. He isn't a psychopath because psychopath puts his own interest in front of everyone elses. What he did for Sasuke is the opposite of what a psychopath would do.
I agree though he is a cold, calculating person. But when doing things for the greater good and when the motives are essentially helping his loved ones, do you call that person a psychopath?
As I said earlier he is unique person with higher than average emotional and analyzing skills, which leads him to be a victim of the enviroment and to suffer the consequences of being able to make hard decision in the shinobi world.

If you for example compare Obito and Itachi, then we would see that in the end Obito did everything for himself with no regard for anyone else's well being. He completely lost his attachements to the world he is living and just wanted to destroy it, the way it was existing.
Itachi on the other hand had his villages and brothers interest in mind, in every hard decision he made.

So I still don't agree 'cause to me a very intelligent person who can turn off his emotions to do the actual right thing isn't the same as psychopath.

EDIT: I looked up more detailed info of what psychopathy as a disorder actually consists of. And as conclusion these are the points I found that disagree with your theory:
Pyschopaths are:
1. Extremely self-centered. - As been said. Is someone who puts his villages and brothers well being ahead of his own, a self-centered person?
2. Show no remorse or guilt toward their victims. - Itachi crying after the massacre vs Obito not giving a f*ck for anyone.
3. Psychopaths are always blaming other people for their actions. - Itachi carried the consequences of his actions on his shoulders and knew it was what he had to do and he's the one who has to live with it. Unlike Obito who blames Kakashi and the rest of the world for his misery.
4. Psychopaths are very deceptive and tend to lie continuously. - Not counting the double agent time of Itachi's life, he was actually pretty straightforward with people and always told the truth. Let's see Obito: pretended to be Madara. Lured Itachi into his plan and deceived him like the rest of the world of his true identity.

Your looking at the psychopathic definition from only from the empathetic angle. Their are plenty of psychopathic cops, firemen, soldiers, and brain surgeons who help people utilizing their condition. Think of Dexter Morgan. Or Light Yagami. Itachi's just ninja Light Yagami. Not evil. Just psycho. Get it? Here's an article about it. It's entertaining to see you stick up for a baby burner though. I'm glad I made this thread.

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[Hawker]

Your looking at the psychopathic definition from only from the empathetic angle. Their are plenty of psychopathic cops, firemen, soldiers, and brain surgeons who help people utilizing their condition. Think of Dexter Morgan. Or Light Yagami. Itachi's just ninja Light Yagami. Not evil. Just psycho. Get it? Here's an article about it. It's entertaining to see you stick up for a baby burner though. I'm glad I made this thread.

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Well in this case the empathetic side disproves the psychopath argument. No psychopath has those emotional qualities that Itachi has. That's what I'm saying.
Itachi did a horrible and brutal thing yes. I'm not saying it was right. But if we wanna analyze him as a person imo psychopath isn't just the right word. And I don't know who Light Yagami is.

Anyway Itachi is the kind of person that actually doesn't exist in real life. No sane and caring person would be able to keep their sanity after commiting genocide. It's just not realistic. All the serial killers and mass murderers like Charles Manson were obviously psycho-/sociopaths and lacked empathy and didn't feel remorse.

That's why Itachi is different as he is been portrayed as the super intelligent being capable of making hard inhuman choices but also capable of love, the perfect antihero. So I'm not sure if we can put him into any sociological category.

 

[Black Lee]

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[Black Lee]

Well in this case the empathetic side disproves the psychopath argument. No psychopath has those emotional qualities that Itachi has. That's what I'm saying.
Itachi did a horrible and brutal thing yes. I'm not saying it was right. But if we wanna analyze him as a person imo psychopath isn't just the right word. And I don't know who Light Yagami is.

Anyway Itachi is the kind of person that actually doesn't exist in real life. No sane and caring person would be able to keep their sanity after commiting genocide. It's just not realistic. All the serial killers and mass murderers like Charles Manson were obviously psycho-/sociopaths and lacked empathy and didn't feel remorse.

That's why Itachi is different as he is been portrayed as the super intelligent being capable of making hard inhuman choices but also capable of love, the perfect antihero. So I'm not sure if we can put him into any sociological category.

I suppose I shouldn't have assumed you've seen Death Note, although I must say that it's tragic that you haven't. It's a psychological masterpiece. It's impossible to stop watching after the first ep. Anyway, the main character and Itachi share many similarities in my opinion. The word "highly" doesn't due justice to the extent to which I recommend the series to you.

 

[Hawker]

I suppose I shouldn't have assumed you've seen Death Note, although I must say that it's tragic that you haven't. It's a psychological masterpiece. It's impossible to stop watching after the first ep. Anyway, the main character and Itachi share many similarities in my opinion. The word "highly" doesn't due justice to the extent to which I recommend the series to you.

Okay well I will consider watching it. Sounds interesting.

Btw are you perhaps a psych major? Or just analyzing for fun?

 

[Black Lee]

Okay well I will consider watching it. Sounds interesting.

Btw are you perhaps a psych major? Or just analyzing for fun?

lol oh no this all just playful banter really. I dabble in pyschology as much as I dabble in spanish, psychics, drawing, or bass. Jack of all trades, master of none I think is the expression. If you consider those trades. I have other useless talents I'm pretty masterful at though.

 

[Hawker]

lol oh no this all just playful banter really. I dabble in pyschology as much as I dabble in spanish, psychics, drawing, or bass. Jack of all trades, master of none I think is the expression. If you consider those trades. I have other useless talents I'm pretty masterful at though.

lol yeah I get it. Well good talk anyway, and good thread! I'm not sure I contributed anything to it, but atleast I gave it my opinion. Though I understand your arguments.

 

[Black Lee]

lol yeah I get it. Well good talk anyway, and good thread! I'm not sure I contributed anything to it, but atleast I gave it my opinion. Though I understand your arguments.

Yeah this was fun. I appreciated all of your input. It's made me realize almost every character in Naruto has a mental illness or personality disorder. For example Guy and Lee have ADHD which makes it hard for them to focus long enough to execute ninjutsu. And Sasuke has Schizoid Personality Disorder of course. I could go on. Seriously name a character. I'll diagnose 'em lol.

 

[Hawker]

Yeah this was fun. I appreciated all of your input. It's made me realize almost every character in Naruto has a mental illness or personality disorder. For example Guy and Lee have ADHD which makes it hard for them to focus long enough to execute ninjutsu. And Sasuke has Schizoid Personality Disorder of course. I could go on. Seriously name a character. I'll diagnose 'em lol.

Lol, yea. Diagnosing and analyzing is fun even if they are just fictional characters.

Btw I think that Kishi meant Itachi as a psychopath from the start. But the fact that he told Sasuke he loves him f*cked it all up. I stumbled upon another similar thread like this and these points about Itachi's behaviour made me actually start thinking he is a psychopath:

"Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another (itachi has cold unremorseless eyes even when bearing witness to kisame about to cut off naruto's legs

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or the bodies of his parents below him

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itachi or when inflicting brutal torture on sasuke twice

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and his torture of kakashi

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kisame to murder two jounins

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here itachi finds out his partner for many years, kisame, has been killed. he has the same cold blank look on his face he always does, regardless.

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itachi learning sasuke wants to destroy konoha. my my, he looks really concerned about that...)"

...So I guess the love for Sasuke and loyalty to his village doesn't disprove all those. I didn't remember those. And they all can't just be acting. Although I guess the line was drawn in the genocide. Still I think Kishi f*cked up Itachi's character from a psychological point of view since no one who is capable of love is not capable of all that horrible cold stuff. But yeah I guess he is more of a psychopath than he is not.

 

[Black Lee]

Lol, yea. Diagnosing and analyzing is fun even if they are just fictional characters.

Btw I think that Kishi meant Itachi as a psychopath from the start. But the fact that he told Sasuke he loves him f*cked it all up. I stumbled upon another similar thread like this and these points about Itachi's behaviour made me actually start thinking he is a psychopath:

"Lack of remorse, as indicated by being indifferent to or rationalizing having hurt, mistreated, or stolen from another (itachi has cold unremorseless eyes even when bearing witness to kisame about to cut off naruto's legs

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or the bodies of his parents below him

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itachi or when inflicting brutal torture on sasuke twice

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You must be registered for see links

and his torture of kakashi

You must be registered for see links

kisame to murder two jounins

You must be registered for see links

You must be registered for see links

here itachi finds out his partner for many years, kisame, has been killed. he has the same cold blank look on his face he always does, regardless.

You must be registered for see links

itachi learning sasuke wants to destroy konoha. my my, he looks really concerned about that...)"

...So I guess the love for Sasuke and loyalty to his village doesn't disprove all those. I didn't remember those. And they all can't just be acting. Although I guess the line was drawn in the genocide. Still I think Kishi f*cked up Itachi's character from a psychological point of view since no one who is capable of love is not capable of all that horrible cold stuff. But yeah I guess he is more of a psychopath than he is not.

Glad you're on board. Gaara and Sasori come off as having aspergers to me. Gaara even fights like an austistic. Sasori because of his fascination with small components, attention to detail, and impatience. He's probably more of savant though.

 

[Hawker]

Glad you're on board. Gaara and Sasori come off as having aspergers to me. Gaara even fights like an austistic. Sasori because of his fascination with small components, attention to detail, and impatience. He's probably more of savant though.

lol dude you should definitely make a thread on naruto discussion where you analyze each characters disorder!

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

So my main point still is that Itachi's caring for his village and love for his brother is essential for determining his personality.

how does he care if he mkaes no effort to show it? he hurt the village more than helped it in his brutal actions in akatsuki, even trying to kill kakashi.
love for his brother? he tortured sasuke and beat him into a coma

That's why Itachi is different as he is been portrayed as the super intelligent being capable of making hard inhuman choices but also capable of love, the perfect antihero.

he hasnt been portrayed as that. hes been shown to us as a dumbass buffoon who tortures and brutally torments innocent people, causes destruction on a wide scale, committed genocide/mass murder, and incapable of actually acting like a human being, even planning to brainwash and enslave his own brother

Is someone who puts his villages and brothers well being ahead of his own, a self-centered person?

but he never did that. he thought that only HIS version of those two things were important and tried to manipulate everyone to that end. its supremely selfish to try and control his village and brother to how they should be in his eyes

Not counting the double agent time of Itachi's life, he was actually pretty straightforward with people and always told the truth.

like when he told sasuke he should murder people when thats not the real requirement for MS? like how he helped to spread the lie that uchihas died as helpless senju dogs rather than the revolutionaries they were?

Itachi carried the consequences of his actions on his shoulders and knew it was what he had to do and he's the one who has to live with it. Unlike Obito who blames Kakashi and the rest of the world for his misery.

itachi didnt carry anything. he was so depressed and uniwlling to accept a proper punishment for his acitons that he tried to escape his judgement via suicide by cop or in this case suicide by sasuke. hes the one who should live with it and he failed to do so.

2. Show no remorse or guilt toward their victims. - Itachi crying after the massacre vs Obito not giving a f*ck for anyone.

itachi torturing sasuke wiht a blank stare and mocking sasuke right before beating him into a coma. turning a blind eye to kisame cutting narutos legs off. turning a blind eye to obitos crimes

What he did for Sasuke is the opposite of what a psychopath would do.

what he did to sasuke is the single worst most horrifying and brutal crime inflicted on another human being in the entire series. the failure for people to not understand this is also horrifying

But when doing things for the greater good and when the motives are essentially helping his loved ones, do you call that person a psychopath?

itachi murdered his entire family and beat his brother into a possibly permanent coma. he also attempted to murder kakashi, helped murder innocent people and helped to start a destructive world war via being in akatuski.
his motives are irrelevant. his actions speak for themselves.

If you for example compare Obito and Itachi, then we would see that in the end Obito did everything for himself with no regard for anyone else's well being. He completely lost his attachements to the world he is living and just wanted to destroy it, the way it was existing.
Itachi on the other hand had his villages and brothers interest in mind, in every hard decision he made.

itachi was a violent evil psycho who tortured and brutalised his brother, attacked his village and helped spread chaos and suffering to many innocents. so evil and so depraved that he tried to wipe sauske's mind clean and enslave him to serve a dictatorship that ordered a genocide for eternity. this is the worst act of sociopathic uncaring for someones wlel being ive ever seen in naruto. truly monstrous. he ruined someones life and made others lives much much harder.
his supposed attachment to sasuke was brutal torture and mindrape.

tachi was obviously just very skilled in turning that part of his mind "off". Still there's no question he loved/loves Sasuke very much. Obito is just plain evil and Itachi is just a person who is emotionally stronger than an average person and is put into a horrible situation.

itachi is a person who has absolutely no emotion or empathy for anyone but himself and his "ideal version" of his village and brother. a brother who he without hesitation, planned to mindwipe, and brainwash into serving the dictators in control of konoha forever. a brother who he tortured and beat into a coma without batting an eyelash.

the writer wrote this scenario and the circumstances, tried to describe the difficulty of the situation then called the one who chose the lesser of two evils (the death of a clan over the destruction of an entire village) a HERO.

genocide is heroic? and there isnt two evils. theres SEVERAL options. several evils. and to simplify the choice to genocide vs war is horrifying.
itachi didnt just kill the guilty. he slaughtered kids.
tell me again what was "lesser evil" about letting oro go for no reason, or torturing sasuke or torturing and trying to kill kakashi?

 

[BlacLord™]

Lol. never go full retard, dude it's meant for entertainment and its fictional, you don't take fictional seriously like a literal real life situation

heck, I want a BM itachi as an entertainment I got one

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That would be ridiculously OP.

OT: Anyone on USSJ's level is certainly not worth any rational person's time.