Gai and Tobi

[Shura]

It's a combination of speed and unpredictable tactics. As we've seen in the fight between Kimimaro and Lee. Kimimaro and Lee were matched in speed or Kimimaro was faster (this.most likely the case), yet the moment Lee became more technical all the speed in to world couldnt help Kimimaro amd Lee was able.to land a blow.

Also, sharingan readings ones movements is one thing, as the body has to be able to reaxt fast enough to avoid the contact. Lee expressed this against Sasuke, as I'm sure you know.

Overall, with Gai already having excellent speed and the ability to display unpredictable movements continuously (beast mode nonstop) Obito will be forced to read multiple moves and try to have each portion of his body react, while trying to materialize to counter. In this situation Gai has a slight advantage.

Minato used a technical maneuver to hit Obito. Obito was using straightforward attacks, to counter Minato became technical, something Hai displays continuously throughout his fightz.

Kaeijin wouldn't be smart to use seeing as ot wouldn't help Obito is the situation. Obito will be shielded, but would need to leave in order to make contact with Gai. Also, he wouldn't have the time to perform the jutsu

Minato was caught by chains, but realized this before fully being wrapped tight. Gai's strength level is.on a different level compared to Minato, gai would use the chains against obtio seeing as he needs to HOLD the chain, attacking his hands or pulling them forwards counters that. also, GAI could simply jump oit of the loop

I understand all of that, however, I don't believe you got my point exactly. You see, in order to outlast that five minutes weakness of Obito's Kamui, you need to keep on attacking him constantly, not even allowing him for a second to release Kamui. Konan managed to do this by splitting the ground and not allowing Obito to stand on a solid object while making millions of paper bombs stick to him and some pierce and fly throught him and then making them explode constantly for about ten minutes.

You see, Gai cannot make his punches and kicks to stick to Obito and he cannot keep on attacking constantly since there is an interval between each punch and kick, allowing Obito to release Kamui for a second and not allowing Gai to outlast the five minute weakness that I'm not sure if he would even be capable of attacking for five minutes since I don't think he can stay in Gates that long.

Obito can simply go underground with Kamui [

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], avoiding Gai's attack barrage and then releasing Kamui after that or he can simply pass throught Gai and run away, releasing the Kamui. It's basically impossible for Gai to outlast the five minute weakness.

The Kaeijin isn't a bad tactic and Obito can get the time to activate it via Kamui actually by simply leaving his fingers in the normal dimension and then letting them touch the ground, creating the Kaeijin while Gai's attacks pass throught Obito. I'm not talking about the chains restraining Gai, I'm just pointing out that Obito was fast enough to actually catch someone like Minato with an attack such as that.​

 

[Minator93]

Gates has a series if levels, Gai doesn't need to resort to 7th gate wear himself. Any level.of gates enhances ones abilities. With base Gai holding his own, Gai with 4-5 gates is beasting

Obito wasn't exactly going all out either. We saw glimpses of his mighty power when he used the Bakkufu Ranbu or those stakes that confined Hachibee or the giant shirikens that got Kakashi in a real bad shape. Also His Mokuton spam. I mean look at the bloodbath

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You do know that Obito's been always held back.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Stop being an ignorant prick.
If Guy wins at all, he does it only via a fight prolonged so much Obito runs out of stamina. Both Obito and Guy have large reserves, so the fight would take probably 10+ hours or more. That's why Guy didn't solo, as you put it.

What reserves guy has? Didnt you read the fight? They all were out of chakra while obito was never even shown out of it in whole manga up until biju extraction. 10h or more? And im ignorant?

You want more?
Kaenjin one shots, but you have to speculate that it only works one way.
Obito uses his katon only way guy can counter(at best) is hirudora which implies gates, after gates run out guy is a fodder.
Here you have it. That all there is to this fight.

 

[blazekev90]

I understand all of that, however, I don't believe you got my point exactly. You see, in order to outlast that five minutes weakness of Obito's Kamui, you need to keep on attacking him constantly, not even allowing him for a second to release Kamui. Konan managed to do this by splitting the ground and not allowing Obito to stand on a solid object while making millions of paper bombs stick to him and some pierce and fly throught him and then making them explode constantly for about ten minutes.

You see, Gai cannot make his punches and kicks to stick to Obito and he cannot keep on attacking constantly since there is an interval between each punch and kick, allowing Obito to release Kamui for a second and not allowing Gai to outlast the five minute weakness that I'm not sure if he would even be capable of attacking for five minutes since I don't think he can stay in Gates that long.

Obito can simply go underground with Kamui [

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], avoiding Gai's attack barrage and then releasing Kamui after that or he can simply pass throught Gai and run away, releasing the Kamui. It's basically impossible for Gai to outlast the five minute weakness.

The Kaeijin isn't a bad tactic and Obito can get the time to activate it via Kamui actually by simply leaving his fingers in the normal dimension and then letting them touch the ground, creating the Kaeijin while Gai's attacks pass throught Obito. I'm not talking about the chains restraining Gai, I'm just pointing out that Obito was fast enough to actually catch someone like Minato with an attack such as that.​

Oh i see, your concern is whether Gai can unleash continuous punches preventing time interval to overlap, allowing Tobi to use kamui.

I think he can. Tobi having been aware of Gai's taijutsu ability would think little little of Gai is gates, since he thinks the sharingan can read his movements. The moment Gai is close during this interval unleashed this

(My phone isnt allowing me to paste, but the punches used Kisame) . Chapter 258 pg. 16

Gai would have solved that issue

 

[Takos]

What reserves guy has? Didnt you read the fight? They all were out of chakra while obito was never even shown out of it in whole manga up until biju extraction. 10h or more? And im ignorant?

Guy has been fighting for a day before joning the fray against Obito who was just getting started.

 

[iSpyder]

I understand all of that, however, I don't believe you got my point exactly. You see, in order to outlast that five minutes weakness of Obito's Kamui, you need to keep on attacking him constantly, not even allowing him for a second to release Kamui. Konan managed to do this by splitting the ground and not allowing Obito to stand on a solid object while making millions of paper bombs stick to him and some pierce and fly throught him and then making them explode constantly for about ten minutes.

You see, Gai cannot make his punches and kicks to stick to Obito and he cannot keep on attacking constantly since there is an interval between each punch and kick, allowing Obito to release Kamui for a second and not allowing Gai to outlast the five minute weakness that I'm not sure if he would even be capable of attacking for five minutes since I don't think he can stay in Gates that long.

Obito can simply go underground with Kamui [

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], avoiding Gai's attack barrage and then releasing Kamui after that or he can simply pass throught Gai and run away, releasing the Kamui. It's basically impossible for Gai to outlast the five minute weakness.

The Kaeijin isn't a bad tactic and Obito can get the time to activate it via Kamui actually by simply leaving his fingers in the normal dimension and then letting them touch the ground, creating the Kaeijin while Gai's attacks pass throught Obito. I'm not talking about the chains restraining Gai, I'm just pointing out that Obito was fast enough to actually catch someone like Minato with an attack such as that.​

Well actually, I believe Gai can overcome the whole interval with his punches and kicks with the Asa Kujaku. Due to the sheer speed that he has to use in order to pull of the technique, that should be enough to keep Obito intangible for 5 minutes until it wears out. Besides, what's Obito gonna do, stay underground until Gai stops? By the time Obito comes up from the ground, Gai would most likely be where he appears.

 

[Prince Charles]

Of course Obito can touch guy, when he warps Gai won't be able to tell where his coming from unless im wrong? Obito can come from behind or underground or above and grab Gai and warp him. Gai has no sensing feats so he won't know where obito is coming from unlike kcm naruto when he sensed obito's evil intentions and that allowed naruto to react to obito's warp attempt. And I don't really see Gai touching obito due to kamui and sharigan and his reaction feats.

 

[blazekev90]

Obito wasn't exactly going all out either. We saw glimpses of his mighty power when he used the Bakkufu Ranbu or those stakes that confined Hachibee or the giant shirikens that got Kakashi in a real bad shape. Also His Mokuton spam. I mean look at the bloodbath

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You do know that Obito's been always held back.

Yes, i.gusss you can say Tobi was holding back as well. We can say he held back against Minato as well. We don't know he chooses to use that in some occasions and others he does not.

But both were holding back, with neither having a clear advantage. So i guess it boils down to intent. In any sense i still give it to Gai or draw.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Guy has been fighting for a day before joning the fray against Obito who was just getting started.

So? He didnt join on empty stomach thou, his reserves are still not enough to outlast obito. He was shown to tire rather fast.
Also read my edit above.

 

[Takos]

So? He didnt join on empty stomach thou, his reserves are still not enough to outlast obito.

And this, my friend, is the great unknown. We have no idea who of them has actually better stamina, but whoever does, wins. I just don't see Obito being able to warp Guy.

You want more?
Kaenjin one shots, but you have to speculate that it only works one way.

Actually, it's you who speculates that there is nothing but plot in Kaenjin not being used to one shot anyone.
Kaenjin is defensive, Obito never even considered to use it offensively. You might shout "plot" all the way, but then this discussion is rendered pointless, because there is not a single thing that can't be attributed to plot.
Once plot is used as an argument, it's all over.

Obito uses his katon only way guy can counter(at best) is hirudora which implies gates, after gates run out guy is a fodder.
Here you have it. That all there is to this fight.

Bakufu Ranbu is effective long-range only, so Guy can just move out of the way - he has the speed necessary for this.

 

[blazekev90]

So? He didnt join on empty stomach thou, his reserves are still not enough to outlast obito. He was shown to tire rather fast.
Also read my edit above.

Gai uses little to no chakra. He fought 7 swordsmen, Obito and Madara. The only reason he became exhausted is because Madara was possibility absorbing jis.chakra, since he was wrapped in mokuton

 

[Prince Charles]

Wow Obito is underrated as fuk. Guy is barely getting a hit on obito due to kamui and sharigan prog as I said.

 

[blazekev90]

The mechanics of being a taijutsu specialist is underrated. People must not habe watched enough Bruce Lee films lol

 

[AlphaScythian]

And this, my friend, is the great unknown. We have no idea who of them has actually better stamina, but whoever does, wins. I just don't see Obito being able to warp Guy.

Great unknown? Obito never seen out of chakra has senju power. Guy never noted for his stamina. Take a fair guess.

Actually, it's you who speculates that there is nothing but plot in Kaenjin not being used to one shot anyone.
Kaenjin is defensive, Obito never even considered to use it offensively. You might shout "plot" all the way, but then this discussion is rendered pointless, because there is not a single thing that can't be attributed to plot.
Once plot is used as an argument, it's all over.

It a barrier, its made of fire, nothing gets in or out. As i said its the same as kages and jin obito used but smaller. The fact obito used it to protect gedo isnt a prove that its defensive only.

Bakufu Ranbu is effective long-range only, so Guy can just move out of the way - he has the speed necessary for this.

Obito is a S/T user. He gains the distance needed to shot with bakufu in eye blink, guy cant dodge that unless you come up with retarded scenarios to use bakufu.

 

[iSpyder]

Wow Obito is underrated as fuk. Guy is barely getting a hit on obito due to kamui and sharigan prog as I said.

Obito is underrated? Have you seen how many threads have been made about this guy? Where have you been lately, in Obito's Kamui dimension that Gai himself can avoid?

 

[Takos]

Great unknown? Obito never seen out of chakra has senju power. Guy never noted for his stamina. Take a fair guess.

Never noted for his stamina? I should end right here. :eww:

It a barrier, its made of fire, nothing gets in or out. As i said its the same as kages and jin obito used but smaller. The fact obito used it to protect gedo isnt a prove that its defensive only.

It's not the same, geez. These are different jutsu altogether, don't compare them.
So, I guess you're trying to explain the fact it was not used as a one-shot with plot?

Obito is a S/T user. He gains the distance needed to shot with bakufu in eye blink, guy cant dodge that unless you come up with retarded scenarios to use bakufu.

So what if he gains the distance in an eye blink if I said that Guy has the speed to move out of the attack's way? :|
The point is not that Obito needs to increase distance, it's that the flame needs to REACH the target from the distance.

 

[Prince Charles]

The mechanics of being a taijutsu specialist is underrated. People must not habe watched enough Bruce Lee films lol

No, your sleeping on obito, Fact still remains Gai is hardly touching obito, Ill admit Gai may be able to evade and prolong his death but other than that Obito has this.

Obito is underrated? Have you seen how many threads have been made about this guy? Where have you been lately, in Obito's Kamui dimension that Gai himself can avoid?

If you say so.

 

[Takos]

No, your sleeping on obito, Fact still remains Gai is hardly touching obito, Ill admit Gai may be able to evade and prolong his death but other than that Obito has this.

Well, my whole argument for Guy relies on the fact Guy can evade pretty much anything Obito throws at him. That's why I believe the one to go down is the one with less stamina, but it's hard to say who it is.

 

[blazekev90]

No, your sleeping on obito, Fact still remains Gai is hardly touching obito, Ill admit Gai may be able to evade and prolong his death but other than that Obito has this.

One has not been able to touch the other. This was Gai w/o gates. Therefore, the fact remains Obito hasn't been able to touch base Gai, while Gai has reacted and counter his abilities. Obito being able to touch any forces him to materialize. Even without needing to touch Gai, he's shown speed to avoid his such attacks.

That is all i need to say really lol. It's been shown

 

[garas56]

I think what will do guy when the huge, meteorite falls on his head?Or either Will be used Another Rinnegun Ability?Or any Sumon(Gedou mazo with Tailed Beasts?)-of Obito
1.Any version of Guy loses to Obito(Cous Guy Cant hit Obito)When Tobi finds himself surrounded by six hundred billion paper explosives. Konan than detonates them all over a period of ten minutes, longer than the five-minute period that Tobi can remain intangible for,However, to escape the death trap Konan laid out for him, Tobi sacrifices his left Sharingan to use Izanagi and survive the attack while losing the upper left side of his mask in the process. Taking advantage of Konan lowering her guard and thinking she succeeded then kills Her the same scenario wuld go with Guy he wuld get Cought Of guard(Even if it means sacrificing your eye is beter than death)-This is the worst Scenario for Obito
2.Guy in 1-6 will not do any harm to obito 7Gates will least Less than 5 Mins And in 8th gates(Well If He wuld ues that Obito wuld Kamui Himself to Dimension and wait till Guy dies)
3.Obito Has to much in his arsenal-Rinegun+Hashirama dna+Ms sharinguns(In the Lab)+His Kamui Ms+Absorption Soul TechniqueAnimal Path,Asura Path,Chakra Receiver Manifestation,Demonic Statue Chains,Deva Path,Earth Release: Hiding Like a Mole Technique,Fire Release: Blast Wave Wild Dance ,Fire Release: Great Fireball Technique,Flight Technique ,Genjutsu: Sharingan,Human Path,Izanagi,Naraka Path,Outer Path,Outer Path: Samsara of Heavenly Life Technique ,Preta Path,Six Paths Technique,Six Paths of Pain,Six Red Yang Formation,Summoning Technique ,Tailed Beast Chakra Arms ,Telescope Technique
Uchiha Flame Formation,Whac-A-Mole Technique ,Wood Release: Cutting Technique,Wood Release: Underground Roots Technique.
9/10 Times i see Guy loses(Low dif) He has Chanses if he teams up with Kakashi,Minato,Madara,Naruto,Hashirama,Sasuke,Itachi,Nagato or Orochimaru.(And only Fanboy will say he stand a Chances)