Gai and Tobi

[Minator93]

Guy seems to be better in taijutsu than Minato - what gave him the edge against Obito was not taijutsu, but, as you noted, reflexes, and ninjutsu - in the form of FTG.

Guy never let himself be touched by Obito, but nothing indicates he would let himself be touched at all - so kamui would be either impossible or very hard to use.

Also, Uchiha Kaenjin is a defensive technique - it was only used to protect something inside it, not to trap anything. Otherwise Obito could have just used it on either Naruto, Bee, Guy or Kakashi.

All the fight's I've seen Obito fight he's always aiming for that 1-touch. There's no way to escape if you get touched [unless you're Minato] And Obito can touch Gai.

Uchiha Kaenjin is a 1-shot tech, plot has held it back U_U

 

[Takos]

You can have your Solo King Itachi, but what's a king to the Solo God Might Gai?
Itachi praises him, he's too scared to fight the solo god
Kakashi is inferior to him
Kisame underestimated him and look what happened
Obito got owned in his young days, now spams Kamui so he never feels like a fodder again
Madaras "perfect susanoo which rivals the tailed beast" got OWNED by an injured Gai in BASE MODE

Solo God Gai trained Lee, and look what happened to Sasuke, Madara and almost messed up Gaara.

Dont underestimate the youth.
The day Gai goes 8th gate, is the day he goes beyond his Solo God status.

There, there, don't be carried away.

 

[blazekev90]

Guy can hold his own only till Obito gets a hold of him. As seen from the fight Gai never allowed himself to be touched by Obito. Meaning he knew that 1-touch and its all over. Minato is the only one who has survived after being touched thanks to his hiraishin no jutsu and godly reactions. [Kakashi also survived because he has the Kamui as well]

Gai lacks that luxury, he's a taijutsu master whereas Minato was a master of both Taijutsu and Ninjutsu. Obito could prolly one-shot guy with Uchiha Kaenjin.

The point of the matter is, can Obito touch Gai? You mention Gai trying to avoid contact, but fail to realize Obito tried his hardest to catch Gai and failed. Obito at this stage was more experienced than when he faced Minato and displayed more versatility.

It's the opposite IMO, the one in.luxury in this situation is Gai. While others depend of ninjutsu, Gai uses taijutsu and can do this all day without exhaustion. Gai noted Obito's ability to wrap things once touched, but Obito must also be intangible to avoid attacks. Once his nunchuks were grabbed, Gai could have easily went for a lower body blow to avoid Obito wrapping ability

Mind you Gates aren't considered

 

[Takos]

All the fight's I've seen Obito fight he's always aiming for that 1-touch. There's no way to escape if you get touched [unless you're Minato] And Obito can touch Gai.

Uchiha Kaenjin is a 1-shot tech, plot has held it back U_U

Yes, but the point is, he never managed to touch Guy, even though he tried. This already is an indication of the fact that he would have serious problems with kamuing Guy.

As for Uchiha Kaenjin... as I said, there is no proof that it can be used to trap something at all - it might be a one-sided barrier, to protect whatever is inside. The fact that it was only used in this way supports this.

 

[Minator93]

As absurd as this may sound, by the time Obito tries to absorb Gai, I'm pretty sure the force of Gai opening at least the 6th or 7th gate should be enough to disrupt Obito's Kamui. It's enough to push water away and even when Lee was in 5th, him shooting off caused the arena to break apart. This is just my theory, since Obito needs to be solid to absorb.

The force emitting from Gai's body isn't instantaneous! Only something that's instantaneous can escape Obito's Kamui wrap.

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Obito says: You'll face me. And soon he says "And we're done" the second part "And we're done" was after he caught Minato's arm.

Minato could escape only because his Hiraishin is instantaneous U_U

 

[Takos]

The force emitting from Gai's body isn't instantaneous! Only something that's instantaneous can escape Obito's Kamui wrap.

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Obito says: You'll face me. And soon he says "And we're done" the second part "And we're done" was after he caught Minato's arm.

Minato could escape only because his Hiraishin is instantaneous U_U

I think he meant something else. While Obito can pass through attacks, his Kamui wouldn't help him against a force wave like the one released when Guy opens the gates. That's because it's not an attack per se (similar to Shinra Tensei), it's just a force pushing you away. That's how I see it.

 

[Shura]

Obito has a limit of 5 minutes on Kamui, though. If Guy was attacking him non-stop with gates open, he could possibly create an opening.

Good point, but would Obito be able to erect the barrier fast enough? Even 6-th gated Guy was so fast that Kisame wasn't able to complete a sentence, if we are talking about 7 gates, especially if Guy opened them near Obito, I highly doubt Obito could manage with Kaenjin.

Well, the manga has shown us that the two of them fighting CQC doesn't lead any of them anywhere, so I don't think Sashiki would cut it.

@Underlined. I know that, however, I don't see Gai attacking Obito constantly for five minutes since Obito can either pass throught him and run away, or go underground using Kamui. Unlike Konan, Gai can't simply split the ground, not allowing Obito to walk on anything and he can keep on throwing punches and kicks constantly for five minutes and make them 'stick' to Obito like Konan's paper bombs did since obviously there is an interval between each other punch and kick.

@Bold. Depends, however, with Kamui, I do think he can pull it off since he can stay intangible with his whole body being in the Kamui dimension except his fingers and then he can touch the ground and create the Uchiha Kaenjin.

@Red. Yeah, I know, but to be fair. That's most likely because of plot. I mean, you can't expect Kishi to allow Obito to just produce the Sashiki and just kill off Gai right there. More so, Obito didn't even try using the Sashiki.​

 

[Minator93]

The point of the matter is, can Obito touch Gai? You mention Gai trying to avoid contact, but fail to realize Obito tried his hardest to catch Gai and failed. Obito at this stage was more experienced than when he faced Minato and displayed more versatility.

It's the opposite IMO, the one in.luxury in this situation is Gai. While others depend of ninjutsu, Gai uses taijutsu and can do this all day without exhaustion. Gai noted Obito's ability to wrap things once touched, but Obito must also be intangible to avoid attacks. Once his nunchuks were grabbed, Gai could have easily went for a lower body blow to avoid Obito wrapping ability

Mind you Gates aren't considered

The thing is Gai gets worn out after gates and he doen'st have large chakra reserves either whereas Obito has one of the highest chakra pool in the series. Also Gai can avoid being touch to a point, I mean he'll only be delaying the inevitable. Obito has Mokuton as well, he can use that offensively there's no need to Kamui Guy if you can kill him vai Mokuton or lock him with Uchiha Kaenjin.

Also do consider a possibility of Obito with a shadow clone. The only reason we haven't seen him use it because it'll be impossible to fight two or more Obito's with Kamui.

Yes, but the point is, he never managed to touch Guy, even though he tried. This already is an indication of the fact that he would have serious problems with kamuing Guy.

As for Uchiha Kaenjin... as I said, there is no proof that it can be used to trap something at all - it might be a one-sided barrier, to protect whatever is inside. The fact that it was only used in this way supports this.

Uchiha Kaenjin isn't 1-sided barrier. It's a compete lock down and you can't even touch it.

Read my reply to iSpyder.

 

[Minator93]

I think he meant something else. While Obito can pass through attacks, his Kamui wouldn't help him against a force wave like the one released when Guy opens the gates. That's because it's not an attack per se (similar to Shinra Tensei), it's just a force pushing you away. That's how I see it.

That's not how it works because the Gate opening/ force emitting isn't instantaneous like FTG.

And for the arguments sake say it happens, well Obito goes ghost mode till that force emission stops and then grabs him again and its all over!

 

[AlphaScythian]

Yes, but the point is, he never managed to touch Guy, even though he tried. This already is an indication of the fact that he would have serious problems with kamuing Guy.

He managed to get his weapons. Few seconds that gai held of his own isnt testament of anything, besides obito disnt use kamui blitz just ghost mode. Obito can use izanagi and be reckless for 10 min. To beat him gai must touch obito himself.

As for Uchiha Kaenjin... as I said, there is no proof that it can be used to trap something at all - it might be a one-sided barrier, to protect whatever is inside. The fact that it was only used in this way supports this.

Thats retarded, kages trapped juubi, obito then trapped alliance. It works both ways

 

[blazekev90]

Yes, I think Obito would beat him. I simply don't see Gai being fast enough to land a hit on Obito in order to bypass Kamui since Obito was confident enough he is fast enough to Kamui someone like Minato if he were to start Kamuing right away and I see Gai entering the Gates which would basically result in Obito using Kamui until Gai drops the Gates and then Obito can kill him.

The Uchiha Kaenjin, on the other hand, would stop all of Gai's attacks if needed and result in Gai's fist getting burned. There is also Obito's Genjutsu and as far as I remember, Gai looked into Obito's eyes multiple times.

Not to mention that if they were to engage in CQC, I see Obito eventually either warping Gai or killing him off with Sashiki. Lets not forget that Obito's chains even caught someone like Minato though.​

It's a combination of speed and unpredictable tactics. As we've seen in the fight between Kimimaro and Lee. Kimimaro and Lee were matched in speed or Kimimaro was faster (this.most likely the case), yet the moment Lee became more technical all the speed in to world couldnt help Kimimaro amd Lee was able.to land a blow.

Also, sharingan readings ones movements is one thing, as the body has to be able to reaxt fast enough to avoid the contact. Lee expressed this against Sasuke, as I'm sure you know.

Overall, with Gai already having excellent speed and the ability to display unpredictable movements continuously (beast mode nonstop) Obito will be forced to read multiple moves and try to have each portion of his body react, while trying to materialize to counter. In this situation Gai has a slight advantage.

Minato used a technical maneuver to hit Obito. Obito was using straightforward attacks, to counter Minato became technical, something Hai displays continuously throughout his fightz.

Kaeijin wouldn't be smart to use seeing as ot wouldn't help Obito is the situation. Obito will be shielded, but would need to leave in order to make contact with Gai. Also, he wouldn't have the time to perform the jutsu

Minato was caught by chains, but realized this before fully being wrapped tight. Gai's strength level is.on a different level compared to Minato, gai would use the chains against obtio seeing as he needs to HOLD the chain, attacking his hands or pulling them forwards counters that. also, GAI could simply jump oit of the loop

 

[Takos]

@Underlined. I know that, however, I don't see Gai attacking Obito constantly for five minutes since Obito can either pass throught him and run away, or go underground using Kamui. Unlike Konan, Gai can't simply split the ground, not allowing Obito to walk on anything and he can keep on throwing punches and kicks constantly for five minutes and make them 'stick' to Obito like Konan's paper bombs did since obviously there is an interval between each other punch and kick.​

True, I haven't thought of him going underground.

@Bold. Depends, however, with Kamui, I do think he can pull it off since he can stay intangible with his whole body being in the Kamui dimension except his fingers and then he can touch the ground and create the Uchiha Kaenjin.

We're entering the speculation region too much right now. On one hand we know that Obito can't stay intangible while making a contact with anything, on the other hand, obviously, Obito can still stand/move on the ground, meaning his feet are an exception to this rule. Now, does the same apply to his fingers? I don't know, and I don't think we have any info we could use to determine this.

@Red. Yeah, I know, but to be fair. That's most likely because of plot. I mean, you can't expect Kishi to allow Obito to just produce the Sashiki and just kill off Gai right there. More so, Obito didn't even try using the Sashiki.

Just because Obito didn't use Sashiki does not mean it would've worked or that he wasn't going all out. Just like Kakashi in Part 1 didn't use Raikiri, his strongest technique, against Itachi. The ninja themselves decide if using a jutsu is worth a shot or not, and using everything they have in their arsenal is not a requirement for going all out.

Uchiha Kaenjin isn't 1-sided barrier. It's a compete lock down and you can't even touch it.

Read my reply to iSpyder.

How do you know it isn't 1-sided? Why wasn't it used on the jinchuuriki or Kakashi and Guy, then? I know you'd say it's because of plot, but frankly, we can't continue a discussion once plot comes into play, because real-life logic is the only standard by which we can judge the abilities and actions of manga characters.

He managed to get his weapons. Few seconds that gai held of his own isnt testament of anything, besides obito disnt use kamui blitz just ghost mode. Obito can use izanagi and be reckless for 10 min. To beat him gai must touch obito himself.

Sucking nunchaku was part of the plan. Guy was even smiling when Obito started to do this.
Also, Izanagi doesn't matter. I don't think Guy is capable of dealing any damage to Obito, so Izanagi is irrelevant. I just think that Obito won't be able to do anything to Guy, either, so the fight will end when one of them runs out of stamina.

Thats retarded, kages trapped juubi, obito then trapped alliance. It works both ways

You DO realize these were different techniques, right? :|

 

[AlphaScythian]

Thats so full of BS. If gai had a chance on obito, wouldnt he solo then? Four of them could only land a hit cuz kakashi had kamui.
/thread.

You DO realize these were different techniques, right? :|

Its the same crap only bigger!

 

[blazekev90]

The force emitting from Gai's body isn't instantaneous! Only something that's instantaneous can escape Obito's Kamui wrap.

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Obito says: You'll face me. And soon he says "And we're done" the second part "And we're done" was after he caught Minato's arm.

Minato could escape only because his Hiraishin is instantaneous U_U

Look how predictable the attack was! Lol both seem to habe been simply standing there chatting about good times.

I also argue that Gai's hand speed is faster.

Emitting force isn't instant, but when reading your opponents movements this can be done effortlessly.

 

[AGoodBoy]

gai would wreck him. Guy enters 7 gates while assaulting obito. the second obito becomes solid he dies.

 

[blazekev90]

Thats so full of BS. If gai had a chance on obito, wouldnt he solo then? Four of them could only land a hit cuz kakashi had kamui.
/thread.

Um plot!! How would.it look Gai soloing the maim villain? -_- also Gai wasn't even using Gates the entire fight. He soloed Madara for a second though!!

 

[Takos]

Thats so full of BS. If gai had a chance on obito, wouldnt he solo then? Four of them could only land a hit cuz kakashi had kamui.
/thread.

Stop being an ignorant prick.
If Guy wins at all, he does it only via a fight prolonged so much Obito runs out of stamina. Both Obito and Guy have large reserves, so the fight would take probably 10+ hours or more. That's why Guy didn't solo, as you put it.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Stop being an ignorant prick.
Guy supporters in this thread are saying that Guy might win via a fight prolonged so much Obito runs out of stamina. Both Obito and Guy have large reserves, so the fight would take several hours or probably more. That's why Guy didn't solo, as you put it.

guy didn't solo because you can't solo plot armor.

 

[blazekev90]

The thing is Gai gets worn out after gates and he doen'st have large chakra reserves either whereas Obito has one of the highest chakra pool in the series. Also Gai can avoid being touch to a point, I mean he'll only be delaying the inevitable. Obito has Mokuton as well, he can use that offensively there's no need to Kamui Guy if you can kill him vai Mokuton or lock him with Uchiha Kaenjin.

Also do consider a possibility of Obito with a shadow clone. The only reason we haven't seen him use it because it'll be impossible to fight two or more Obito's with Kamui.



Uchiha Kaenjin isn't 1-sided barrier. It's a compete lock down and you can't even touch it.

Read my reply to iSpyder.

Gates has a series if levels, Gai doesn't need to resort to 7th gate wear himself. Any level.of gates enhances ones abilities. With base Gai holding his own, Gai with 4-5 gates is beasting

 

[iSpyder]

Um plot!! How would.it look Gai soloing the maim villain? -_- also Gai wasn't even using Gates the entire fight. He soloed Madara for a second though!!

More like he solo'd Madara IN a second

GAI SUPPORTERS UNITE AGAINST THESE SHARINGAN WANKERS