[Theory] [FEAR] Analysis: How Madara is Absorbing Chakra

[Shinato]

I wanna know how the hell Madara was healing his wound from Sasuke on the last page

Most likely something he obtained from draining the Senjutsu out of Hashirama Senju.

 

[Draxus]

That sounds insane to me, it probably makes alot more sense in your head than it does outloud... Blood has to touch his skin to mix powers?? Where... Why? How likely do you think this is.

There are several other reasons as to why he would bite himself.

Okay... like what? Give me at least two good reasons Madara would have to bite himself, the panel to show the blood dripping, and then do hand seals before absorbing Hashirama's senju power?

I don't why think it's insane when blood is has been known to be used to perform other jutusu.

 

[Slye]

I feel that after absorbing chakra that Madara is able to regen. First he absorbed Sasuke's Amateratsu then he bit himself. I believe he did that to test if he can regen his wounds. If you look at the panel his skin started to heal instantly then he made his move towards Hashirama. So I am guessing that he wanted to make sure he can take wounds before engaging.

 

[AzR]

I feel that after absorbing chakra that Madara is able to regen. First he absorbed Sasuke's Amateratsu then he bit himself. I believe he did that to test if he can regen his wounds. If you look at the panel his skin started to heal instantly then he made his move towards Hashirama. So I am guessing that he wanted to make sure he can take wounds before engaging.

good idea btw! which an idea pops up in my brain... i read it again,trying to get certain new angle.. what if the absorption of chakra is automatic? no hand seals required.. well madara did absorb that amaterasu without a handseal right..

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<-- in this scan at the top right shows madara's weave a RAM seal.. what if that seal is a seal of Body Flicker tech? that is the normal hand seal for shunshin right, thats why he speedblitz through sai and SM naruto with that...

but right after that hand seal panel,hashi cant move.. so some might say hashi cant move because madara activates some jutsu with that handseal.. so i decide to read at another angle... what if hashi noticed that handseal which he knows is a shunshin jutsu and try to counter properly but cannot move.. maybe hashi cannot move even before that.. so i try to search before this page..

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<-- 2 pages before,at the bottom right... we can see some 'trembling' drawing and 'tired' SFX on hashi.. maybe i'm just down right ignorant that hashi just tired but in edo? hmm knows right.. just a hunch..

 

[FearxDeath]

good idea btw! which an idea pops up in my brain... i read it again,trying to get certain new angle.. what if the absorption of chakra is automatic? no hand seals required.. well madara did absorb that amaterasu without a handseal right..

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<-- in this scan at the top right shows madara's weave a RAM seal.. what if that seal is a seal of Body Flicker tech? that is the normal hand seal for shunshin right, thats why he speedblitz through sai and SM naruto with that...

but right after that hand seal panel,hashi cant move.. so some might say hashi cant move because madara activates some jutsu with that handseal.. so i decide to read at another angle... what if hashi noticed that handseal which he knows is a shunshin jutsu and try to counter properly but cannot move.. maybe hashi cannot move even before that.. so i try to search before this page..

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<-- 2 pages before,at the bottom right... we can see some 'trembling' drawing and 'tired' SFX on hashi.. maybe i'm just down right ignorant that hashi just tired but in edo? hmm knows right.. just a hunch..

Hey just wanted to throw out that the reason Hashirama cant move is because he has the Black Rods in his body. He cant move for the same reason Naruto couldnt move when Nagato impaled him with just 1 Black Rod, Hashirama on the other hand has 4 Black Rods.

Okay... like what? Give me at least two good reasons Madara would have to bite himself, the panel to show the blood dripping, and then do hand seals before absorbing Hashirama's senju power?

I don't why think it's insane when blood is has been known to be used to perform other jutusu.

First off the hand seal was for Shunshin, as far as the blood goes:

- The first thing he says when he is revived is how good it feels to feel his blood pumping, perhaps he was savoring the feeling.

- Making sure he was alive

- Seeing if his wounds would infact heal when he absorbs Chakra

- I could go on.

The insane part is not that blood has been shown to create other jutsu, the insane part is the fact that you guys are creating a jutsu out of nowhere simply based on the fact that he bite himself. It is highly unlikely, its like convincing a kid that santa claus cant visit every house in the world in 1 day and them screaming at you that its because he has magic (Madara can do it because its Madara). You cant do it, you just hope one day there rational improves. Not to be condensing its just that I cant convince someone that him biting himself isnt related to some unknown Senju Uchiha jutsu. Its one of those things that you either think is possible or dont.

I wanna know how the hell Madara was healing his wound from Sasuke on the last page

That is because when you absorb chakra from someone it has healing effects, which makes sense because chakra is life force. This is because shown when Nagato absorbs killer bee's Chakra cloak and becomes younger and stronger as effect.

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You stated both of those, now if I am not mistaken. You just said that he had no reason to close his eyes other than your theory, and you also hinted towards it being a bad reason or not a reason at all to close it his "just because he didn't have his eyes". I'll leave the original quotes of your posts in spoilers below and bold out where you said this, so you won't come out and say that I just place that text in a quote tag. ( I will also underline and color the text. )



I never said your theory was terrible to begin with, and I never hinted towards that either. I said it was false, and I pointed out that you did a single wrong thing with your theory. You based it off a single point, and single motion and action which we've seen numerous other characters already did, without the same effects as Madara. You pointed out that Madara was able to use the Rinnegan Powers from Obito's eye socket which holds Madara's original Rinnegan. To prove this you pointed out that Obito was able to see what Kakashi saw when he held over his missing eye. Though Obito had his eye closed the entire time he was in Madara's Cave. Why didn't Obito see what Kakashi saw all the time? Was it because he hid his Sharingan behind a band? Perhaps, but Kakashi had already started a fight long before using Chidori on Rin, which means that Obito would have been able to see the entire fight and not just the ending. That is one point where you theory cracks.

Another point is based on the exact same characters again, if Obito was able to see what Kakashi was able to at all times, then he wouldn't have had any need for spies and such. He wouldn't need Zetsu to record several fight, as he would already been able to see it through his eye in Kakashi. Second point your theory cracks in. The third point would be during the War, if Kakashi could see everything Obito could see while he had his band in front of his Sharingan, then he would be able to tell where Kabuto was, what Obito was planning and so on. This "close your eyes and see the other sharingan" event has happen twice in the series, once to Obito and once to Kakshi. Ironically enough, it happen to both of them when either of them while they were waiting or in a stress.

No, there could be other reasons, I was merely suggesting that my theory was one of them. Please do not try and twist my words.

The following paragraph seems to be you reittrating what you already said so I didnt read it. All I can do is tell you what I already told you.

My theory isnt based on the notion that people only close their eyes to access Sharingans, my theory is based on the notion that when an Uchiha closes their eyes they can access their sharingans via proxy. [which we see in the scan where I show Obito and Kakashi]

Once again you put words in my mouth. You are now claiming I say that "Obito can see through Kakashi eye at all times", this is as clever as it is foul. You want to oppose me but I havent said anything you can readily disagree with I just state what is shown in the manga scan for example. So instead of argue against what is seen in the scan you exaggerate what I say in a vain attempt to grasp at straws. But that isnt what I said, I merely say that based on the scan an Uchiha can see through his Sharingan via Proxy. Both eyes being closed is merely the coincidence that links Obito's situation to Madara's.

Most of your argument is you claiming I say or mean something that I do not. I would recommend you re-read my theory once more in an atempt to grasp the point I was making, as all I am doing at this point is telling you what was said in the text and removing your assumptions.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Fear, do you need some help?

:| Really, I found your thread was very good from start to the end. It makes sense no matter how you look at each statement, and the most important thing: It is founded enough, by manga facts.

I have been looking at this thread for some days and I'm kinda getting tired... People are trying to break your thread with possibilities rather than definite proof, and the whole thing about breaking a theory doesn't work that way... I believe you are in the right track about this one, as much to believe that this theory is solid as iron.

 

[Floydical]

1. I agree with you that Madara took Hashi's sage mode ASAP so that he could compete without his eyes. However, sage mode would even be a viable upgrade to a Rinnegan user, at least in a situation like this.

2. I think the reason Naruto asked why he closed his eyes is because Naruto did not see his edo eyes disappear in the first place.

3. Your theory is based on the scene where Obito got visual synapses from the Sharingan he gave to Kakashi. However, Obito had his left eye lid closed even at the start of that panel, not from the moment he saw the vision. In fact, Obito has his left eye lid closed 24/7 after having given it to Kakashi, and yet he does not receive constant visual data from it. He only got that visual data after clutching his eye in pain, not after closing it. So I don't think Madara has access to a psuedo Rinnegan via closing his eyes. One would naturally keep that eye closed once the eye itself it gone, case in point, Obito.

The only time he received visual synapses from his old eye was at the moment Kakashi killed Rin. Considering the magnitude of emotion involved in that moment, it was more a scene for dramatic purposes, but one could argue that the raw emotion of the moment itself was what lead to the visual information going to Obito. Yet again, Obito has his left eye closed 100% of the time, yet he is not receiving constant visual synapses from that eye.

 

[FearxDeath]

Fear, do you need some help?

:| Really, I found your thread was very good from start to the end. It makes sense no matter how you look at each statement, and the most important thing: It is founded enough, by manga facts.

I have been looking at this thread for some days and I'm kinda getting tired... People are trying to break your thread with possibilities rather than definite proof, and the whole thing about breaking a theory doesn't work that way... I believe you are in the right track about this one, as much to believe that this theory is solid as iron.

Yah, it can be disheartening at times to see things like that. In all honesty I dont mind debating my theories and having them proven wrong. Its just when people try to argue against them with things dont make little to no sense or things that arent cannon:

No...it has nothing to do with any of this explanation of OP or any theory.

It is just unique trait of Madara.

Statements like these are flat out annoying lol, but its nice to know that my threads are appreciated by the few NB members that actually know the manga.

1. I agree with you that Madara took Hashi's sage mode ASAP so that he could compete without his eyes. However, sage mode would even be a viable upgrade to a Rinnegan user, at least in a situation like this.

2. I think the reason Naruto asked why he closed his eyes is because Naruto did not see his edo eyes disappear in the first place.

3. Your theory is based on the scene where Obito got visual synapses from the Sharingan he gave to Kakashi. However, Obito had his left eye lid closed even at the start of that panel, not from the moment he saw the vision. In fact, Obito has his left eye lid closed 24/7 after having given it to Kakashi, and yet he does not receive constant visual data from it. He only got that visual data after clutching his eye in pain, not after closing it. So I don't think Madara has access to a psuedo Rinnegan via closing his eyes. One would naturally keep that eye closed once the eye itself it gone, case in point, Obito.

The only time he received visual synapses from his old eye was at the moment Kakashi killed Rin. Considering the magnitude of emotion involved in that moment, it was more a scene for dramatic purposes, but one could argue that the raw emotion of the moment itself was what lead to the visual information going to Obito. Yet again, Obito has his left eye closed 100% of the time, yet he is not receiving constant visual synapses from that eye.

1) Fair enough

2) The question isnt why Naruto asked the question, the question is why did Kishimoto spend the time to have Naruto ask the question. If you read the principle section of the thread you see that things arent done without meaining. Characters dont ask questions that the audience already know to be false or misplaced. That is just my belief, it could be wrong, but it makes sense to me.

3) I have said it before and I will say it again:

My theory isnt based on the notion that people only close their eyes to access Sharingans, my theory is based on the notion that when an Uchiha closes their eyes they can access their sharingans via proxy. [which we see in the scan where I show Obito and Kakashi]

Therefore it doesnt matter if Obito had it closed all the time, it only matters that he had it closed when he recieved the visual image.

3A) Even the arguement that "The raw emotion of the moment etc..." leads into the idea that it is possible to do such a thing. From there we can assume that Madara the strongest of the Uchiha and most profficient with the Sharingan could emulate this technique. From there all we have to do is ask how likely it is:

A) Madara did close his eyes prior to absorbing the Chakra.
B) Absorbing Chakra is a Rinnegan ability.
C) Madara does possess a Rinnegan

All I have done is put those three together and came to my own conclusion that it is likely that Madara accessed him Rinnegan via proxy. I will say that I do remember you although I havent been on in a while. Your almost always disagreeing with me which sucks, but your reasons are always logical and well put together which is a trait that I can appreciate.

 

[Draxus]

First off the hand seal was for Shunshin, as far as the blood goes:

- The first thing he says when he is revived is how good it feels to feel his blood pumping, perhaps he was savoring the feeling.

- Making sure he was alive

- Seeing if his wounds would infact heal when he absorbs Chakra

- I could go on.

The insane part is not that blood has been shown to create other jutsu, the insane part is the fact that you guys are creating a jutsu out of nowhere simply based on the fact that he bite himself. It is highly unlikely, its like convincing a kid that santa claus cant visit every house in the world in 1 day and them screaming at you that its because he has magic (Madara can do it because its Madara). You cant do it, you just hope one day there rational improves. Not to be condensing its just that I cant convince someone that him biting himself isnt related to some unknown Senju Uchiha jutsu. Its one of those things that you either think is possible or dont.

Yeah sorry, those reasons are pretty weak. I think that panel is much more meaningful, but we shall see in the next chapter.

I'm not sure how you focusing on the "why'd he close his eyes" which could easily because he HAS no eye, and me focusing on a close up of Madara's self-inflicted wound which could be because "he wanted to check he was alive". Either way we're both talking about something that has never been established before with superficial proof. There is a giant leap between having a connection to your original eye that was removed, and still having the powers of an eye and that was implanted in your head and then later removed. Not mention the simple fact the way rinnegan absorbs chakra looks totally different than the bubbling effect Madara's doing now.

You very well could be correct, but please don't shit on other peoples idea's because they don't spend the time to write a thread about every idea they every have about Naruto.

 

[FearxDeath]

Yeah sorry, those reasons are pretty weak. I think that panel is much more meaningful, but we shall see in the next chapter.

I'm not sure how you focusing on the "why'd he close his eyes" which could easily because he HAS no eye, and me focusing on a close up of Madara's self-inflicted wound which could be because "he wanted to check he was alive". Either way we're both talking about something that has never been established before with superficial proof. There is a giant leap between having a connection to your original eye that was removed, and still having the powers of an eye and that was implanted in your head and then later removed. Not mention the simple fact the way rinnegan absorbs chakra looks totally different than the bubbling effect Madara's doing now.

You very well could be correct, but please don't shit on other peoples idea's because they don't spend the time to write a thread about every idea they every have about Naruto.

So then the question because are a bunch of weak reasons as reasonable as one ludicrous one.

And really thats the main difference between our idea's. They are both based off of hunches, but mine is rooted in Manga Fact. The logic is as goes:

- We know that an Uchiha can access his Eyes via Proxy because Obito did it.
- Madara, being the strongest and most skilled Uchiha, would be expected to know how to do this. (Especially seeing as to his brother also lost his eyes.)
- Madara has shown currently has no Eyes.
- Madara accessed Rinnegan tech, but he currently doesnt have eyes, therefore [Insert my Theory]

Now your idea which is equally based off of a hunch, has no basis.

- Madara bit his arm
- Madara absorbed Chakra
- Therefore Madara has some special Senju Uchiha secret power that even Obito who was also a Senju and Uchiha couldnt use?

Now in all fairness when I look at that, it looks like a stretch, one that I find very hard to believe. Now like I said before, other people may have no trouble believing that, and thats cool. But I cant believe that.

Not mention the simple fact the way rinnegan absorbs chakra looks totally different than the bubbling effect Madara's doing now.

This is wrong, the effects are the same.

 

[Floydical]

Yah, it can be disheartening at times to see things like that. In all honesty I dont mind debating my theories and having them proven wrong. Its just when people try to argue against them with things dont make little to no sense or things that arent cannon:



Statements like these are flat out annoying lol, but its nice to know that my threads are appreciated by the few NB members that actually know the manga.



1) Fair enough

2) The question isnt why Naruto asked the question, the question is why did Kishimoto spend the time to have Naruto ask the question. If you read the principle section of the thread you see that things arent done without meaining. Characters dont ask questions that the audience already know to be false or misplaced. That is just my belief, it could be wrong, but it makes sense to me.

3) I have said it before and I will say it again:



Therefore it doesnt matter if Obito had it closed all the time, it only matters that he had it closed when he recieved the visual image.

3A) Even the arguement that "The raw emotion of the moment etc..." leads into the idea that it is possible to do such a thing. From there we can assume that Madara the strongest of the Uchiha and most profficient with the Sharingan could emulate this technique. From there all we have to do is ask how likely it is:

A) Madara did close his eyes prior to absorbing the Chakra.
B) Absorbing Chakra is a Rinnegan ability.
C) Madara does possess a Rinnegan

All I have done is put those three together and came to my own conclusion that it is likely that Madara accessed him Rinnegan via proxy. I will say that I do remember you although I havent been on in a while. Your almost always disagreeing with me which sucks, but your reasons are always logical and well put together which is a trait that I can appreciate.

The point to these threads is to debate arguable points to help develop/ refine ideas, as you did above. Simply agreeing with people and not arguing is no fun .

So you are saying that a sharingan user can manually access a doujutsu that is currently separated from their body by purposely accessing it, where it is required for them to close their eyes to do so? And Obito basically did it by mistake while you are saying Madara purposely did it? If so than your theory makes more sense to me than it did before. I'd like to believe it, but it seems like a stretch to me, even with the current events Kishi has pulled. I think the simplest reason is that it is a result of the Senju DNA/ Mokouton, though I think the ability and the statements made in this chapter are largely trolls on Kishi's part and not really explainable.

 

[FearxDeath]

The point to these threads is to debate arguable points to help develop/ refine ideas, as you did above. Simply agreeing with people and not arguing is no fun .

So you are saying that a sharingan user can manually access a doujutsu that is currently separated from their body by purposely accessing it, where it is required for them to close their eyes to do so? And Obito basically did it by mistake while you are saying Madara purposely did it? If so than your theory makes more sense to me than it did before. I'd like to believe it, but it seems like a stretch to me, even with the current events Kishi has pulled. I think the simplest reason is that it is a result of the Senju DNA/ Mokouton, though I think the ability and the statements made in this chapter are largely trolls on Kishi's part and not really explainable.

I enjoy a good debate as much as the next guy, although I am skeptical of criticism due to the high number of people who disagree for really dumb reasons.

Dont get me wrong, I am not parading this around like everyone is suppose to agree with it. I can understand someone saying that to them it just doesnt seem likely. But to me, in my head, it seems like the most likely possibility given the scenario we are in.

The idea of it being a special new Uchiha/Senju ability never crossed my mind until someone suggested it. It is just hard for me to swallow because:

- There is no such technique, so in affect people are just imaginging/creating a new technique out of thin air to explain a situation that does not require it as oppose to relying on the manga for facts and explaining it that way.

- Obito was also an Uchiha who also possessed Senju DNA, and yet he cannot do this, and so we are left with the [Madara can do it because he is Madara] theory.

It just seems like so much of an ass pull that anything else, even a questionable theory about Madara accessing his Rinnegan through proxy (which we all agree to be possible), would have to true.

 

[Slye]

good idea btw! which an idea pops up in my brain... i read it again,trying to get certain new angle.. what if the absorption of chakra is automatic? no hand seals required.. well madara did absorb that amaterasu without a handseal right..

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<-- in this scan at the top right shows madara's weave a RAM seal.. what if that seal is a seal of Body Flicker tech? that is the normal hand seal for shunshin right, thats why he speedblitz through sai and SM naruto with that...

but right after that hand seal panel,hashi cant move.. so some might say hashi cant move because madara activates some jutsu with that handseal.. so i decide to read at another angle... what if hashi noticed that handseal which he knows is a shunshin jutsu and try to counter properly but cannot move.. maybe hashi cannot move even before that.. so i try to search before this page..

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<-- 2 pages before,at the bottom right... we can see some 'trembling' drawing and 'tired' SFX on hashi.. maybe i'm just down right ignorant that hashi just tired but in edo? hmm knows right.. just a hunch..

I think the handseal that he performed on Hashirama activated those chakra rods similar to how Nagato tried to control Naruto. (The part right before Naruto tried to punch Nagato) That might just be a simple focusing seal that he performed.

But back on the absorption technique. I don't believe the absorbing nin jutsu thing is a rin negan jutsu but is actually stemming from Hashirama's cells. If you think back Madara did praise Hashirama for being able to heal without weaving signs. Maybe we are seeing those healing powers in action right now.

 

[FearxDeath]

I think the handseal that he performed on Hashirama activated those chakra rods similar to how Nagato tried to control Naruto. (The part right before Naruto tried to punch Nagato) That might just be a simple focusing seal that he performed.

But back on the absorption technique. I don't believe the absorbing nin jutsu thing is a rin negan jutsu but is actually stemming from Hashirama's cells. If you think back Madara did praise Hashirama for being able to heal without weaving signs. Maybe we are seeing those healing powers in action right now.

This is actually an extremely good observation. When you think about it Hashirama has Mokuton, which is capable of absorbing Chakra. So perhaps this is a type of Mokuton ability placed on Hashirama's body itself.

Very good point!

 

[Tobimarsh]

So then the question because are a bunch of weak reasons as reasonable as one ludicrous one.

And really thats the main difference between our idea's. They are both based off of hunches, but mine is rooted in Manga Fact. The logic is as goes:

- We know that an Uchiha can access his Eyes via Proxy because Obito did it.
- Madara, being the strongest and most skilled Uchiha, would be expected to know how to do this. (Especially seeing as to his brother also lost his eyes.)
- Madara has shown currently has no Eyes.
- Madara accessed Rinnegan tech, but he currently doesnt have eyes, therefore [Insert my Theory]

Now your idea which is equally based off of a hunch, has no basis.

- Madara bit his arm
- Madara absorbed Chakra
- Therefore Madara has some special Senju Uchiha secret power that even Obito who was also a Senju and Uchiha couldnt use?

Now in all fairness when I look at that, it looks like a stretch, one that I find very hard to believe. Now like I said before, other people may have no trouble believing that, and thats cool. But I cant believe that.



This is wrong, the effects are the same.

You have a pretty good theory but please stop with this. You say in support of your logic Madara can do something Obito couldn't because he is the strongest uchiha, but it's unreasonable in his theory that Madara can do something Obito couldn't

 

[AzR]

I think the handseal that he performed on Hashirama activated those chakra rods similar to how Nagato tried to control Naruto. (The part right before Naruto tried to punch Nagato) That might just be a simple focusing seal that he performed.

But back on the absorption technique. I don't believe the absorbing nin jutsu thing is a rin negan jutsu but is actually stemming from Hashirama's cells. If you think back Madara did praise Hashirama for being able to heal without weaving signs. Maybe we are seeing those healing powers in action right now.

yeah.. i'm also do believe exactly what you wrote there.. none taken

i'm just trying read it from a different perspective and understand it in a different way..

@FearxDeath.. i'm fear that certain part of the manga creates confusion among reader.. me included to be honest... that mere handseal only,can be perceive in different ways..

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

I like your theory it's either that or something like this:

the absorbing stuff comes from the hashirama cells, like the mokuton dragon, though then hashirama himself should be able to do it to..
And the control through the rods is because the rods contain madara's will and rinnegan just allows to control 6 people at once and the use of rinnegan jutsu..
Maybe that's how they planned to use nagato to revive madara, cause since nagato got berserk and used gedou mazou he had the rods with madara's will in his back.

 

[Shinichi Izumi]

I enjoy a good debate as much as the next guy, although I am skeptical of criticism due to the high number of people who disagree for really dumb reasons.

Dont get me wrong, I am not parading this around like everyone is suppose to agree with it. I can understand someone saying that to them it just doesnt seem likely. But to me, in my head, it seems like the most likely possibility given the scenario we are in.

The idea of it being a special new Uchiha/Senju ability never crossed my mind until someone suggested it. It is just hard for me to swallow because:

- There is no such technique, so in affect people are just imaginging/creating a new technique out of thin air to explain a situation that does not require it as oppose to relying on the manga for facts and explaining it that way.

- Obito was also an Uchiha who also possessed Senju DNA, and yet he cannot do this, and so we are left with the [Madara can do it because he is Madara] theory.

It just seems like so much of an ass pull that anything else, even a questionable theory about Madara accessing his Rinnegan through proxy (which we all agree to be possible), would have to true.

I like this theory

 

[Draxus]

Now your idea which is equally based off of a hunch, has no basis.

- Madara bit his arm
- Madara absorbed Chakra
- Therefore Madara has some special Senju Uchiha secret power that even Obito who was also a Senju and Uchiha couldnt use?

Now in all fairness when I look at that, it looks like a stretch, one that I find very hard to believe. Now like I said before, other people may have no trouble believing that, and thats cool. But I cant believe that.

You're forgetting the fact Madara has been alluding to more power that he can only have access to with a living body. He also gave a speech about the combining of Senju and Uchiha power before he bit himself also alluding to a never before seen ability from combining the powers. These two points tell me there is something new on the horizon not something like "once you've had an eye implanted in your skull you forever have it's abilities."

You say manga fact backs you up, but it really doesn't. First off it's the pairs of eyes that are linked, not the Uchiha is linked to the eyes they had before. We know this is true because Old Madara stated this, and Kakashi was able to see out of Obito's eye, which he never possessed. Secondly, being linked to the eye visually doesn't equate to having access to the abilities of the eye. From where I stand the two theories are on equal footing, that's all I'm saying.

This is wrong, the effects are the same.

No it's not, as you can see here:

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[FearxDeath]

and so we are left with the [Madara can do it because he is Madara] theory.

I like this theory

lol Dont we all

I like your theory it's either that or something like this:

the absorbing stuff comes from the hashirama cells, like the mokuton dragon, though then hashirama himself should be able to do it to..
And the control through the rods is because the rods contain madara's will and rinnegan just allows to control 6 people at once and the use of rinnegan jutsu..
Maybe that's how they planned to use nagato to revive madara, cause since nagato got berserk and used gedou mazou he had the rods with madara's will in his back.

This is another idea that I have been thinking about. It does make sense to be honest. The question is how likely is it.

You have a pretty good theory but please stop with this. You say in support of your logic Madara can do something Obito couldn't because he is the strongest uchiha, but it's unreasonable in his theory that Madara can do something Obito couldn't

No no no you miss understand.

In the First statement I said:

I said that Madara is the strongest of the Uchiha therefore he would know all the techniques of the Sharingan, and thus since Obito displayed a technique with the Sharingan, Madara would too know of this technique.

In the Second statement I said:

If you think that this Chakra absorbing power is specific to those with Uchiha and Senju powers then why would Obito who is also an Uchiha and a Senju be able to use it. Since Madara knew of it, and Madara trained Obito, there would be no reason Obito would not be able to do it.

When put side by side and twist it then it sounds like it doesnt make sense but you have to keep in mind the context behind each statement.

If I walked up to a friend and asked him if he was good at basketball he said that he was pretty good and then I walked up to Micheal Jordan and asked him if he could play basketball he said that he was pretty good. I wouldnt then expect my friend to be able to play against Micheal Jordan. The context behind the question is extremely important.

You're forgetting the fact Madara has been alluding to more power that he can only have access to with a living body. He also gave a speech about the combining of Senju and Uchiha power before he bit himself also alluding to a never before seen ability from combining the powers. These two points tell me there is something new on the horizon not something like "once you've had an eye implanted in your skull you forever have it's abilities."

You say manga fact backs you up, but it really doesn't. First off it's the pairs of eyes that are linked, not the Uchiha is linked to the eyes they had before. We know this is true because Old Madara stated this, and Kakashi was able to see out of Obito's eye, which he never possessed. Secondly, being linked to the eye visually doesn't equate to having access to the abilities of the eye. From where I stand the two theories are on equal footing, that's all I'm saying.



No it's not, as you can see here:

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- All we know is that he wanted to become human, I dont recall him alluding to any extra power that came with it. And even if that was the case it could easily be that he was revive as an Edo below his full power, much like Hashirama and Tobirama. And in human form he would be stronger.

- Once you have the eye implanted you always have the abilities? But we already know that the be untrue? Why doesnt kakashi trade his Sharingan with someone else? Give them MS abilities and take there eyes. As a matter of fact he could trade eyes with EVERYONE in the village... now we have a village of people who can use Kamui free of charge? Your theory would break the manga.

- When did Old Madara state this, provide a scan please.

- Show me the scan where Kakashi see's through Obito's eyes so I can verify.

- You say being linked to the eye doesnt equate to having access to its abilities, but never explain why.

- You just showed 2 scans one where we see the bubbling effect and one where we dont. So please explain what your talking about.