If Luffy is defeated by Doflamingo and Zoro defeats Doflamingo would that mean...

[Gdamon]

Yes that would mean that...

People saying "Abc logic" doesn't work, probably aren't reading one piece or shounen mangas.

in every battle their are conditions...

like their intent to kill or just harm...

any previous events that may have crippled them somewhat...

the area where they fight...

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[reizon]

do you even think oda will make it look as if zoro was stronger than luffy.!!

i dont think so...!!

i think shud be able to able to defeat doflamingo, cause for one luffy never gives up and for another that 3 years gap training gives luffy the right to defeat dofo.!!

it wudnt be an asspull, luffy shud have alot tricks up his sleeves.!!

 

[KingHashirama]

Here's the problem though....



Doflamingo has had to fight the following people: Law, Luffy, even to a degree Fujitora. Whatever shape Luffy leaves Doflamingo in it won't be 100% which means the Doflamingo Zoro beats isn't the Doflamingo Luffy fought.

Just look at Naruto vs Pain... Would Naruto beat Pain if pain had all paths at 100%... The second Deva came back Naruto got wrecked. It took a loss of control due to Hinata to get him saved.... Are you saying SM Naruto > Nagato?! He really isn't.



One on one there isn't a SH or Heart pirate that bests Doflamingo Doflamingo. Which is why Law is fighting him. He will probably be weakened to the point to where Luffy stands a chance.


Luffy has speed and intense armament Haki (not to mention a fire attack of his own). IMO the only technique that'll stop Luffy is the strings... Which are plausibly burnable: thus Luffy had to catch on fire completely (gear second and a full body armament Haki).


But yeah no one in the SH crew has a shot at soloing a full powered Doflamingo right now.

The OT i believe is strictly about 1 vs 1 with rest time lol. =x.

Yea but here is the thing, that fight was never a 1 vs 1. Nagato is about SM jiraiya level if we keep it canon stuff.

Luffy most likely is stronger than Law. Seeing as we haven't seen luffy go all out yet, but have already seen Law. So Luffy might be the guy to take down Dofla.

 

[aimop95]

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1. Impel Down Warden Magellan = Poison Guy

2. Sir. Crocodile defeated Luffy twice... IMO should have beat him the last time too if not for Luffy suddenly overpowering blood loss, poison, and suddenly Crocodile's attacks, which can actually drain liquid based on Impel Down and Marineford, are suddenly pushed aside.

Your point?

My point still stands. Luffy basically defeats everyone on his next try. Even if he got his butt handed to him a day or so before.

 

[cptenn94]

Not neccesarily. Zoro couldnt even hurt enel, yet luffy was able to defeat him. Does that mean luffy beats zoro low dif? NO

There are plenty of people who zoro and luffy beat, who the other couldnt beat. Luffy is stronger, but zoro is tougher. Simple as that.

 

[akimofnevis]

This thread is going to get closed soon, but you are saying Zoro>Luffy so..
On serious note, I think Luffy can beat Doflamingo, Luffy has Haki and you are pretty much underestimating the fact that Luffy is fast, and Luffy is going to win..:yeah:

Luffy is having problems in the arena and doffy is stronger than every opponent Luffy has faced so far

Here's the problem though....

Why is this tread going to close

Doflamingo has had to fight the following people: Law, Luffy, even to a degree Fujitora. Whatever shape Luffy leaves Doflamingo in it won't be 100% which means the Doflamingo Zoro beats isn't the Doflamingo Luffy fought.

Just look at Naruto vs Pain... Would Naruto beat Pain if pain had all paths at 100%... The second Deva came back Naruto got wrecked. It took a loss of control due to Hinata to get him saved.... Are you saying SM Naruto > Nagato?! He really isn't.


Good point but doffy don't seen exhausted in any way while Luffy has already admit fatigue from his last battle
One on one there isn't a SH or Heart pirate that bests Doflamingo Doflamingo. Which is why Law is fighting him. He will probably be weakened to the point to where Luffy stands a chance.

Luffy has no chance
Luffy has speed and intense armament Haki (not to mention a fire attack of his own). IMO the only technique that'll stop Luffy is the strings... Which are plausibly burnable: thus Luffy had to catch on fire completely (gear second and a full body armament Haki).

He have not blocked a blade with his haki yet
But yeah no one in the SH crew has a shot at soloing a full powered Doflamingo right now.

I think zoro can, we have yet to see him go all out

He does that everyday...like...everyday...

Last fight with crocodile (poison hook apparently loses to determined will) for example.

Luffy usually strategize but I'm this case doffy is well prepared and smarter than Luffy

You can't really use ABC logic. Luffy could be a bad matchup against Doffy, while Zoro is a good matchup. On the contrary, Zoro could be a bad matchup against, say, Enel, while Luffy is a perfect matchup.

So...just because Zoro could defeat Doffy (and Luffy couldn't) doesn't make Zoro > Luffy.

Zoro can defeat Enel now he just didn't know haki at the time

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1. Impel Down Warden Magellan = Poison Guy

2. Sir. Crocodile defeated Luffy twice... IMO should have beat him the last time too if not for Luffy suddenly overpowering blood loss, poison, and suddenly Crocodile's attacks, which can actually drain liquid based on Impel Down and Marineford, are suddenly pushed aside.

Croc underestimated Luffy and that's why he lost

in every battle their are conditions...

like their intent to kill or just harm...

any previous events that may have crippled them somewhat...

the area where they fight...

any assistance you may receive...

Yep and doffy has the advantage it's his home town

do you even think oda will make it look as if zoro was stronger than luffy.!!

i dont think so...!!
Oda needs to make op more interesting
i think shud be able to able to defeat doflamingo, cause for one luffy never gives up and for another that 3 years gap training gives luffy the right to defeat dofo.!!
Luffy has no defense against doffy techniques
it wudnt be an asspull, luffy shud have alot tricks up his sleeves.!!
He simply just isn't strong enough yet

The OT i believe is strictly about 1 vs 1 with rest time lol. =x.

Yea but here is the thing, that fight was never a 1 vs 1. Nagato is about SM jiraiya level if we keep it canon stuff.

Luffy most likely is stronger than Law. Seeing as we haven't seen luffy go all out yet, but have already seen Law. So Luffy might be the guy to take down Dofla.

Your point?

My point still stands. Luffy basically defeats everyone on his next try. Even if he got his butt handed to him a day or so before.

Not neccesarily. Zoro couldnt even hurt enel, yet luffy was able to defeat him. Does that mean luffy beats zoro low dif? NO

There are plenty of people who zoro and luffy beat, who the other couldnt beat. Luffy is stronger, but zoro is tougher. Simple as that.

I feel like zoro is stronger and tougher

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

Your point?

My point still stands. Luffy basically defeats everyone on his next try. Even if he got his butt handed to him a day or so before.

Lol I wasn't trying to sound extremely offended so sorry if I conveyed a "**** sounding response". I was just pointing out Crocodile took three tries to beat.... You said Magellan was the only one he didn't best his second try.... Which was wrong.


But yeah, Luffy generally, if losing the first time, wins the rematch.

The OT i believe is strictly about 1 vs 1 with rest time lol. =x.

Yea but here is the thing, that fight was never a 1 vs 1. Nagato is about SM jiraiya level if we keep it canon stuff.

Luffy most likely is stronger than Law. Seeing as we haven't seen luffy go all out yet, but have already seen Law. So Luffy might be the guy to take down Dofla.

My point was the idea that Zoro wouldn't be fighting a full or whatever level Doflamingo Luffy lost too. But yeah.

But as others mentioned, One Piece does have a pretty substantial role in the match up department. I mean any form of Luffy pre-Haki probably loses to Mr. 1... Why?! A Rubber man with physical punches doesn't beat a man made of blades.

Here we have a blade (sharp enough to effortlessly slice up Oars) user who's skill is already above Luffy's and Zoro's.... So its down to who can better defend against his overall arsenal which it becomes Zoro because he uses a weapon that handles sharp string better than Luffy.


I wouldn't put Zoro above Luffy... Overall Luffy is stronger, but there are opponents Zoro beats that Luffy doesn't.... Notably regarding powerful blade users.

I feel like zoro is stronger and tougher

Zoro presents a more intimidating physic so that makes sense... He's also more serious overall.



But honestly Luffy is overall going to be stronger. Especially since Zoro mentioned he wpuslnt serve a captain weaker than him...neither have really gone all out so really it doesn't help or hurt either argument

 

[Mephew D Kensei]

If Zoro beats him it wld b coz of a Starrk effect(fought Shinsui and Ukikake then Love and Rose then Shinsui drfeated him) meaning Dofla wld have been weakened from previous fights. In all honesty I dont see Zoro winning, I know Zoro is stronger than Sanji but withought info from Law on how to not get entangled even Luffy needs some intel on this fight. I doubt anytime soon will we see Zoro ultimately take down the main antagonist of an arc, FI was an indicator of this to me. Just for fun but What if Moira shows up when Luffy is getting his a$$ handed to him and helps Luffy, his motive revenge for that time Dofla was sent to cut him out.

 

[LitzSabr]

Not gonna happen. Even if Zoro are equal to Luffy, in the end of the day, Oda will give Luffy (as he is the main character) the chance to fight the main villain, i would be a different matter if Zoro was given that.

But honestly Luffy is overall going to be stronger. Especially since Zoro mentioned he wouldnt serve a captain weaker than him...neither have really gone all out so really it doesn't help or hurt either argument

He never said that man, it says nothing about Zoro calling himself weaker than Luffy or Luffy stronger than him.

 

[WhistleBlower]

Not gonna happen tbh. The protagonist always gets to fight the boss. Maybe by some wacky circumstances, Zoro fights Doflamingo but i seriously don't see it happening :|

 

[Olorin]

If Luffy is defeated by Doflamingo and Zoro defeats Doflamingo would that mean Zoro is stronger than Luffy.
Based in logics I just don't see Luffy defeating Doflamingo. First off he has no means of blocking Doflamingo's over heat technique and how will he counter the string control

if Luffy lost to Doflamingo and Dadan defeated Doflamingo that would mean she is probably stronger than Luffy

but that won't happen

PS: luffy wouldn't just get cut up, he has g2 speed and armament Haki which can also be used as defense

 

[Ahmed1993]

Zoro will never beat Doflamingo , and he will always be < Luffy , DEAL WITH IT.

 

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[chopstickchakra]

Logics are rational ideas that usually works ������

Sanji can beat Usopp, Usopp can beat Perona, but Sanji can't beat Perona. ABC failed.

 

[akimofnevis]

Lol I wasn't trying to sound extremely offended so sorry if I conveyed a "**** sounding response". I was just pointing out Crocodile took three tries to beat.... You said Magellan was the only one he didn't best his second try.... Which was wrong.


But yeah, Luffy generally, if losing the first time, wins the rematch.

I don't see him winning a rematch against Doffy and he have defeated many opponents the first in counter such as captain Morgan , don kreig , arlong , Enel and many more. The only time Luffy loses is when faced with extremely strong enemies and Luffy rarely loses , so you were wrong


My point was the idea that Zoro wouldn't be fighting a full or whatever level Doflamingo Luffy lost too. But yeah.

But as others mentioned, One Piece does have a pretty substantial role in the match up department. I mean any form of Luffy pre-Haki probably loses to Mr. 1... Why?! A Rubber man with physical punches doesn't beat a man made of blades.

Here we have a blade (sharp enough to effortlessly slice up Oars) user who's skill is already above Luffy's and Zoro's.... So its down to who can better defend against his overall arsenal which it becomes Zoro because he uses a weapon that handles sharp string better than Luffy.


I wouldn't put Zoro above Luffy... Overall Luffy is stronger, but there are opponents Zoro beats that Luffy doesn't.... Notably regarding powerful blade users.




Zoro presents a more intimidating physic so that makes sense... He's also more serious overall.



But honestly Luffy is overall going to be stronger. Especially since Zoro mentioned he wpuslnt serve a captain weaker than him...neither have really gone all out so really it doesn't help or hurt either argument

Zoro is waiting for a strong opponent to go all out on and that opponent is doffy

If Zoro beats him it wld b coz of a Starrk effect(fought Shinsui and Ukikake then Love and Rose then Shinsui drfeated him) meaning Dofla wld have been weakened from previous fights. In all honesty I dont see Zoro winning, I know Zoro is stronger than Sanji but withought info from Law on how to not get entangled even Luffy needs some intel on this fight. I doubt anytime soon will we see Zoro ultimately take down the main antagonist of an arc, FI was an indicator of this to me. Just for fun but What if Moira shows up when Luffy is getting his a$$ handed to him and helps Luffy, his motive revenge for that time Dofla was sent to cut him out.

This would be awesome

Not gonna happen tbh. The protagonist always gets to fight the boss. Maybe by some wacky circumstances, Zoro fights Doflamingo but i seriously don't see it happening :|

It's only because sanji begged to go to the sunny why zoro didn't fight doffy

if Luffy lost to Doflamingo and Dadan defeated Doflamingo that would mean she is probably stronger than Luffy
We all no dadan is not stronger ,Really
but that won't happen

PS: luffy wouldn't just get cut up, he has g2 speed and armament Haki which can also be used as defense

Gear 2 make him faster than his previous state but it's many who are atill faster than Luffy hear 2 and many still that can breach his armament haki

Zoro will never beat Doflamingo , and he will always be < Luffy , DEAL WITH IT.

Never say never , their power levels have fluctuated during the series

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It's feasible , tho out side the box

Sanji can beat Usopp, Usopp can beat Perona, but Sanji can't beat Perona. ABC failed.

Sanji can defeat perona but he just chooses not to fight any woman

 

[Olorin]

Gear 2 make him faster than his previous state but it's many who are atill faster than Luffy hear 2 and many still that can breach his armament haki

ppl were atguing how luffy was a really bad matchup for dofy so i simply wrote that he isnt just rubber, soon his haki will be his main power trait and NOT his DF

 

[Kuriboh]

Yes that would mean that...

People saying "Abc logic" doesn't work, probably aren't reading one piece or shounen mangas.

One piece is probably the series where ABC logic doesnt work the most

I can barely see Luffy even fighting Doffy in this arc, it seems like law is going to fight and lose to Doffy while the SH's take out Doffy's crew and move on straight to Kaido. Their goal was never to fight Doffy but to simply mess up Doffy's plans in order to anger kaido.

If they Doffy vs Luffy did end up happening, it would be disappointing if Luffy won. Doffy has made a fool out of sanji and law who arent supposed to be very far behind luffy. Also when Luffy has beaten people that are more powerful than him, he usually pulls some BS like how he beat Croco boy, or has DF resistance like with Enel who wouldve easily beaten him over and over otherwise. Luffy has no resistances or advantages over Doffy, and Doffy has basically been hyped to have stronger and more deadly abilities

 

[chopstickchakra]

Zoro is waiting for a strong opponent to go all out on and that opponent is doffy

This would be awesome

It's only because sanji begged to go to the sunny why zoro didn't fight doffy

Gear 2 make him faster than his previous state but it's many who are atill faster than Luffy hear 2 and many still that can breach his armament haki

Never say never , their power levels have fluctuated during the series

It's feasible , tho out side the box


Sanji can defeat perona but he just chooses not to fight any woman

No, Perona already beat him, but maybe I should have used Zoro. Zoro can beat Usopp, Usopp can beat Perona but Zoro can't beat Perona. Usopp was the only one who could stand to fight Perona because of her technique that made them depressed.

 

[akimofnevis]

ppl were atguing how luffy was a really bad matchup for dofy so i simply wrote that he isnt just rubber, soon his haki will be his main power trait and NOT his DF

He uses them in perfect harmony , also if he wasn't a rubber man he would have died from gear 2

One piece is probably the series where ABC logic doesnt work the most
I think the strong can beat the weak, abc doesn't really matter
I can barely see Luffy even fighting Doffy in this arc, it seems like law is going to fight and lose to Doffy while the SH's take out Doffy's crew and move on straight to Kaido. Their goal was never to fight Doffy but to simply mess up Doffy's plans in order to anger kaido.

If they Doffy vs Luffy did end up happening, it would be disappointing if Luffy won. Doffy has made a fool out of sanji and law who arent supposed to be very far behind luffy. Also when Luffy has beaten people that are more powerful than him, he usually pulls some BS like how he beat Croco boy, or has DF resistance like with Enel who wouldve easily beaten him over and over otherwise. Luffy has no resistances or advantages over Doffy, and Doffy has basically been hyped to have stronger and more deadly abilities

Doffy is one of the most powerful character I have seen so far in op, plus nobody had been able to counter his string control move as well , and his overheat is just wow, I just don't see Luffy defeating doffy ever, I think that's why law is heavily depending on kaido to defeat Doffy

No, Perona already beat him, but maybe I should have used Zoro. Zoro can beat Usopp, Usopp can beat Perona but Zoro can't beat Perona. Usopp was the only one who could stand to fight Perona because of her technique that made them depressed.

Zoro can defeat Perona, make a tread and if a 100 people vote all 100 will vote for zoro

 

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Zoro can defeat Perona, make a tread and if a 100 people vote all 100 will vote for zoro

Too bad Perona's already proven in the manga that she can beat Zoro so....100 people's opinion is pointless. Usopp was the only one who could withstand her negative ghosts.

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See only Usopp could defeat Perona from the Strawhats.