Can Kisame defeat Itachi ?

[Prince Charles]

invalid! Trying to prove genjutsu has no range limit, when all we've seen is genjutsu used at close ranges. You have asked no to post scans as proof, I need the same in return.

Trying to interpret how ocular genjtsu to be it being range less it s desperate move.

Obviously it has a range limit. What Im saying is long range doesnt make the genjuts ineffective when even in the same scan i showed you of the databook it clearly saids all it takes is looking into the sharigan users eye.

Anyways like I said before but you clowns don't want to listen. Sasuke put deidara into a genjutsu from a mid-long range distance which again supports that text in that databook scan.

 

[blazekev90]

@PC Ay knew he was in genjutsu, Danzo knre he was in genjutsu ect.the fact remains there have beenoments when someone is well aware of genjutsu being used. Kismae is his damn partner, you think he would not think of this hahaha

Kisame can very well know the moment he is in genjutsu

 

[Disquiet]

Ok. I posted a scan of Kismae biting his tongue to regain consciousness. You have said "well would he know" -_-

We have seen ppl know their genjutsu and others who didnt. We cant decide this OBVIOUSLY! So instead of depending on whether Kisame "knows" focus on something else. Sheesh lol the thirst in HERE

Well we obviously can't just throw the genjutsu argument out. Many people could bite their tongue or lip, it wouldn't even be fair because that means genjutsu couldn't be used in any argument because we "Don't know if people would know they're in one".

Furthermore, Itachi has already shown to simulate reality. Deidara and Bee. We have no reason to believe Kisame would instantly know he's in one. So no, not going to focus on something else when this guy has been shown to excel at genjutsu.


Plus my stance in this thread was to clear that samehada misconception.

 

[HNIC]

Obviously it has a range limit. What Im saying is long range doesnt make the genjuts ineffective when even in the same scan i showed you of the databook it clearly saids all it takes is looking into the sharigan users eye.

Anyways like I said before but you clowns don't want to listen. Sasuke put deidara into a genjutsu from a mid-long range distance which again supports that text in that databook scan.

show me the scan of Itachi using long distance genjutsu, if you can't refrain from posting nonsense.

 

[Draphsin]

invalid! Trying to prove genjutsu has no range limit, when all we've seen is genjutsu used at close ranges. You have asked no to post scans as proof, I need the same in return.

Trying to interpret how ocular genjtsu to be it being range less it s desperate move.

This is desperate, You're adding a restriction to a jutsu based on lack of evidence

Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence, you're literally contradicting the databook. The DB told us that eye contact is needed & anything you say to change that simply means that you're wrong.

However if you were to provide some sort of evidence stating or showing how genjutsu CANNOT work from long distances then of course you would be right, the fact that it hasnt been shown does nothing to change the facts that have been laid out in front of us.

How do you know if itachi doesnt just find it convenient? You dont, so I can say that Itachi goes close range because of convenience without you being able to prove me wrong at all.

Burden of proof is on YOU

 

[blazekev90]

Nameless we do have reason Kimsae would know, as others have shown awareness of being in genjutsu instantly.

As Ive said, some have and some havent

 

[Prince Charles]

@PC Ay knew he was in genjutsu, Danzo knre he was in genjutsu ect.the fact remains there have beenoments when someone is well aware of genjutsu being used. Kismae is his damn partner, you think he would not think of this hahaha

Kisame can very well know the moment he is in genjutsu

They knew were in a genjutsu because the caster made it relatively obvous to notice it as where Itachi can replicate the same environment and show no signs that are in a genjutsu.

During the confrontation back in the early part of part 2 with lady chiyo and sakura and kakashi and the 30% itachi clone, naruto was placed into a genjutsu and had no idea that he was until the obvious signs were there.

Intel works both ways here buddy so dont play that partner crap.

 

[Prince Charles]

show me the scan of Itachi using long distance genjutsu, if you can't refrain from posting nonsense.

Oh my god, seriously? If sasuke managed to use genjutsu at mid-long range then obviously Itachi can, stop nit picking and use common sense, it's a basic feature of the sharigan.

 

[Disquiet]

Nameless we do have reason Kimsae would know, as others have shown awareness of being in genjutsu instantly.

As Ive said, some have and some havent

In a simulated reality? Maybe I'm wrong, but who else could realize they're in reality simulated genjutsu aside from those with a sharingan and Deidara who had to train his eye?

 

[AGoodBoy]

wrong! Kisame has the ability to perform close/mid/long jutsu.

'ability to'. Doesn't mean he does it as his long range mid/long range techs are usually less effective than his close ranged ones.

In fact his only mids are GSB and shark bombs. He has no long. Everything else - feeding sharks, chakra absorption, WD - are all close ranged. Kisame's always going to be in range unless he just wants to run away.

 

[Draphsin]

show me the scan of Itachi using long distance genjutsu, if you can't refrain from posting nonsense.

LOL sasuke can cast genjutsu further than his brother who is tiers above him in that respect?

Dat logic! XD

 

[HNIC]

This is desperate, You're adding a restriction to a jutsu based on lack of evidence

Absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence, you're literally contradicting the databook. The DB told us that eye contact is needed & anything you say to change that simply means that you're wrong.

However if you were to provide some sort of evidence stating or showing how genjutsu CANNOT work from long distances then of course you would be right, the fact that it hasnt been shown simply does nothing to change the facts that have been laid out in front of us.

How do you know if itachi doesnt just find it convenient? You dont, so I can say that Itachi goes close range because of convenience without you being able to prove me wrong at all.

Burden of proof is on YOU

you can believe genjutsu has no range limit all you want, that's pure speculation. The burden isn't on me, you are the one trying to argue genjutsu being long range, which is hilarious to me. You have NO proof of this happening, we have seen Itachi close the gap between his opponents to case genjutsu, yet your're sitting here stating something with NO proof.

 

[HNIC]

'ability to'. Doesn't mean he does it as his long range mid/long range techs are usually less effective than his close ranged ones.

In fact his only mids are GSB and shark bombs. He has no long. Everything else - feeding sharks, chakra absorption, WD - are all close ranged. Kisame's always going to be in range unless he just wants to run away.

OMG are you all dumb? Kisame is his partner! He would know to keep his distance. All of his jutsu can be performed at long ranges.

 

[AGoodBoy]

Nameless we do have reason Kimsae would know, as others have shown awareness of being in genjutsu instantly.

As Ive said, some have and some havent

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It was at this point that Sharingan user Sasuke knew he was in a genjutsu. Yea, pretty much after itachi pointed it out.

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It was at this point naruto knew he was in genjutsu. Again, after itachi pointed it out kindly to him.

#Defeating more nonsense claims.

OMG are you all dumb? Kisame is his partner! He would know to keep his distance. All of his jutsu can be performed at long ranges.

If you don't know what you're talking about, please don't speak. Only shark missles can be performed at mid. You don't even know what long range is do you? 20m isn't long range. That can quickly be shushined through. In the same respect you say kisame is itachi's partner, it's the same way itachi is his. Because you assume itachi is going to sit at mid range. FYI, itachi also possess mid range water techs. In fact, due to the sharingan, itachi can just copy all the shit kisame does and through it right back him if he wants to be a ***** about the situation. This is confirmed by kakashi using Shark missle.

 

[mrcrazyboyravi]

I love how the only way you can counter "How does Kisame stop X" is "How does Itachi stop Y" and with nothing to back it up than Kisame's this and Kisame's that"

Zabuza > Itachi because how does Itachi counter Hidden Mist and Water Dragon and Silent Killing?

No, Samehada has a sensing ability, not Kisame.

1 second = 3 Days minimum in Tsukiyomi. Everyone has a breaking point, including Kisame, and again, this is if Itachi doesn't cut him down physically.

It might be 3 Days in Tsukuyomi but all itachi has is few seconds in real world. During that time itachi has to get close to his target and use a traditional wepon to attack his opponent + If itachi moves or blinks his eyes or tries to do another jutsu ,then Tsukuyomi is all over. Peoples hype tsukuyomi too much

 

[blazekev90]

In a simulated reality? Maybe I'm wrong, but who else could realize they're in reality simulated genjutsu aside from those with a sharingan and Deidara who had to train his eye?

Ay
Danzo
Bee (i believe as well)

All knew the moment it was used. Yall are trolling lol

 

[AGoodBoy]

Ay
Danzo
Bee (i believe as well)

All knew the moment it was used. Yall are trolling lol

ay was in genjutsu paralysis which is completely different
Danzo has sharingan's which broke him out. Later confirmed by the fact that genjutsu worked once his sharingans closed.
Hachi witness bee's subconcious fall asleep. Bee didn't know shit when itachi hit him with that genjutsu.

#more BS

 

[Prince Charles]

Ay
Danzo
Bee (i believe as well)

All knew the moment it was used. Yall are trolling lol

Again.. Itachi can stimulate reality.. Sigh.. The victim wont know because there will be no sign, all those people you listed had obvious signs they were in a genjutsu. Get that through your brain.

ay was in genjutsu paralysis which is completely different
Danzo has sharingan's which broke him out. Later confirmed by the fact that genjutsu worked once his sharingans closed.
Hachi witness bee's subconcious fall asleep. Bee didn't know shit when itachi hit him with that genjutsu.

#more BS

Sigh... this as well.

 

[Disquiet]

Ay
Danzo
Bee (i believe as well)

All knew the moment it was used. Yall are trolling lol

Ay, when? When Madara got him? That genjutsu momentarily paralyzed Ay. What reality simulation was going on there?

Doesn't Danzo have the sharingan? On top of that, having Itachi (known to be dead) appear is not simulating reality?

Bee, when? I don't recall. When Sasuke got him, it was some kind of paralysis genjutsu. When Itachi got him, his bijuu had to tell him.


lol no man, not trolling. The fact that Deidara had to train his eye to see through Itachi's genjutsu should be enough.

 

[HNIC]

ay was in genjutsu paralysis which is completely different
Danzo has sharingan's which broke him out. Later confirmed by the fact that genjutsu worked once his sharingans closed.
Hachi witness bee's subconcious fall asleep. Bee didn't know shit when itachi hit him with that genjutsu.

#more BS

dummy,paralysis genjutsu was also what Itachi used on Orochimaru
No danzo noticed on his own fool