Is it okay for main villains to have a change of heart?

[Sir Blades]

Oro left Anko alive and let her return to Konoha. So far we see no ulterior motive. He also seem to have sort of retired currently.

Anyway you are only reminding us that not all villains have had the same ending. ^_^

Anko was his first student. There was no point in killing her, there was no gain for him from that.

Orochimaru in the end only killed them so he won't die like his parents.... nothing more. Killing people for fun > killing children for power.

Where does it say that, you must be thinking the hidden rain orphans. I'm not talking about that, he killed children not because of him not wanting them to die like their parents, some of them weren't even orphans. He killed them and had no regret. it was to further his research. killing children for a goal> killing aimlessly

 

[The Sach]

Nup it's not good for all of them to change, consider one piece, Blackbeard won't change his heart..:yeah:

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

"No one is truly evil, just misunderstood" - Kishi being politically correct Lol

 

[The Sach]

"No one is truly evil, just misunderstood" - Kishi being politically correct Lol

Probably it is because Kishi has constructed the manga based upon theme of Hatred vs Love or Yin and Yang.

 

[KingHashirama]

Anko was his first student. There was no point in killing her, there was no gain for him from that.



Where does it say that, you must be thinking the hidden rain orphans. I'm not talking about that, he killed children not because of him not wanting them to die like their parents, some of them weren't even orphans. He killed them and had no regret. it was to further his research. killing children for a goal> killing aimlessly

"turned weird after his parents got killed".. from there on became obssessed with immortality.. it doesn't take a genius to connect the pieces.

And I never mentioned anything about the parents of the kids.. .

His parents doesn't mean their parents..

Obito killed thousands and didn't shed a tear.. he faced his sensei and was having the intent to kill him.. didn't shed a tear. Can't say the same for Oro.

 

[Lay]

Not when u get TNJ'd

 

[Sir Blades]

"turned weird after his parents got killed".. from there on became obssessed with immortality.. it doesn't take a genius to connect the pieces.

And I never mentioned anything about the parents of the kids.. .

His parents doesn't mean their parents..

Obito killed thousands and didn't shed a tear.. he faced his sensei and was having the intent to kill him.. didn't shed a tear. Can't say the same for Oro.

There is a difference between being brainwashed/making that your reality and being truly evil by self intent.

 

[Avani]

Anko was his first student. There was no point in killing her, there was no gain for him from that.

You are missing the point. He could have made it a hurt ego point. He could simply keep her and use for further testing. It's not like he let them all go. It's just that he has his lighter moments.

Oro is my favourite villain and few of the characters whom I liked in anime too as anime added more personality to him in some episodes like where he tried to save Itachi before he got obsessed with sharingan.

My point is that not all the villains are not treated the same. The center of the story are those who can be talked to and they have had their own reasons behind the act.

Nup it's not good for all of them to change, consider one piece, Blackbeard won't change his heart..:yeah:

OP fantaics! Your point is invalid because that story belongs to different world.

Luffy solves almost everything with a punch. Characters do get a back story but after that their personality and role in the story is more or less fixed. Their fighting capacities may advance but you know exactly what kind of people they will remain till the end. The story goes with the flow touches various issues but doesn't dwell on it. All the right masala mix with female leads wearing only bras. Despite getting a lot of character back stories and details and awesome panels time to time I cannot find much interest in current OP arc because it's an echo of Alabasta arc.

It may be awesome to fight just to prove yourself a man and take it like one but sometimes some people are looking for something different from the story. I read different mangas for different reasons and when reading one I don't want that author to treat the plot in the same way as another. What's the fun in that?

Now please take further OP mention to OP section. It's highly annoying when people bring that over here.

 

[General Lex]

I understand the "Peace through Love" ideology Kishi is trying to portray. It's been the theme since the sage was first introduced and fit in nicely with Naruto's natural charisma. Fans have to accept the message that power and violence will not prevail in this manga otherwise they are gonna be extremely disappointed.

 

[Xāvî1]

Dude that's basically what i said, read carefully next time.

that is exact reason i quoted your comment

 

[LordRaikage]

no it is not ok villains should stay villain, not change their mind's and doubt their actions.

if your evil your evil if your good your good stick. *at least bleach and one piece villains stay evil*

 

[narutocentral]

I think its very lovely to have villains change in to virtuous souls. Peace on earth is something you have to fight the wicked against; in the movie world war z the Jerusalem people were letting in the refuges in the wall. The main character asked a ranking official why they would, and he stated "the more we save; the less we have to fight against". There for when a manga creator is drafting his thoughts in what life lessons they want to give out. I presume they want to give the ideal that if your evil you will LOSE. Thoe if your evil the good side is a orphanage and will take you in just like your their own. "its never to late... Until its to late" :naruto::hypertobi:

 

[Sir Blades]

You are missing the point. He could have made it a hurt ego point. He could simply keep her and use for further testing. It's not like he let them all go. It's just that he has his lighter moments.



Oro is my favourite villain and few of the characters whom I liked in anime too as anime added more personality to him in some episodes like where he tried to save Itachi before he got obsessed with sharingan.

My point is that not all the villains are not treated the same. The center of the story are those who can be talked to and they have had their own reasons behind the act.





OP fantaics! Your point is invalid because that story belongs to different world.

Luffy solves almost everything with a punch. Characters do get a back story but after that their personality and role in the story is more or less fixed. Their fighting capacities may advance but you know exactly what kind of people they will remain till the end. The story goes with the flow touches various issues but doesn't dwell on it. All the right masala mix with female leads wearing only bras. Despite getting a lot of character back stories and details and awesome panels time to time I cannot find much interest in current OP arc because it's an echo of Alabasta arc.

It may be awesome to fight just to prove yourself a man and take it like one but sometimes some people are looking for something different from the story. I read different mangas for different reasons and when reading one I don't want that author to treat the plot in the same way as another. What's the fun in that?

Now please take further OP mention to OP section. It's highly annoying when people bring that over here.

That's were you are wrong,

Anko had already fulfilled what orochimaru wanted out of her. There is no point in keeping a failed experiment, the sole purpose was to try out CM, She did not meet the expectations, and therefore left her. But I understand your baseless point.

 

[Avani]

That's were you are wrong,

Anko had already fulfilled what orochimaru wanted out of her. There is no point in keeping a failed experiment, the sole purpose was to try out CM, She did not meet the expectations, and therefore left her. But I understand your baseless point.

I disagree. Anko was prospective body that Oro wanted to use. But- When people shift focus on being offensive instead of being objective they have already lost. Not continuing the discussion on the topic because it's obvious you have little else to offer.

 

[WhistleBlower]

Loving the discussion. Keep it going!!

And Ira , this is the first time you ever posted on my threads. I feel honored U_U

 

[Jack Spicer]

Yes, I think it can be a great thing, but not if it's overused. Then again, I suppose the argument could be Naruto really is the guy to lead for peace. I, personally, don't like a lot of villains changing nor all of them having really tragic backstories. I like a good mix. Naruto has villains who have a tragic story and who do change sides (as well as a mix of others). I'm not a fan of it like I said, but if the story is about how Naruto can change anyone, then it works. However, is that the story of Naruto? I never got that feeling until recently, but I don't think it's been highlighted enough. For a long time it was just about a bond shattered. Ever since the war everything has just been a pile of "what?" I feel like the narritive has been changed or lost. In my perfect world, Naruto saves Sasuke, not deceased Hokages or Itachi. I also wouldn't have Naruto's words work on everyone. I'd have it work where it matters the most so it has more of an impact.

Anyways, I think that sort of answers my view on it.

 

[Sir Blades]

I disagree but- When people shift focus on being offensive instead of being objective they have already lost. Not continuing the discussion on the topic because it's obvious you have little else to offer.

I'm not being offensive i don't know where you get that from. Let me clarify.
1. You basically made up a situation that is out of character in nature of Orochimaru "keep her and use her for further testing" That there is proof that you simply didn't grasp Orochimarus intents. I gave you a response. Now to my second point.
2. There is no need to be offensive. You lacked knowledge on a certain character. I said you were wrong and that's it. Me saying baseless point is me basically telling you i get what you are saying but it lacks backbone per say.

 

[-Sky-]

Of course it is. I wouldn't want to be stuck reading a story filled of nothing but black and white.

Plenty of characters that were good turned bad. Some danced a fine line between good and evil. Why can't bad turn good?

In the end, the Obito vs Naruto conflict is an example, not of good vs evil, but of working hard vs taking the easy way out.

Besides, I enjoy seeing villains fight for the good guys.

 

[Sir Blades]

I disagree. Anko was prospective body that Oro wanted to use. But- When people shift focus on being offensive instead of being objective they have already lost. Not continuing the discussion on the topic because it's obvious you have little else to offer.

I though you had nothing else to say?
What is prospective body mean to you? if you mind me asking. And i repeat she was a failed experiment. Kimimaro was the perfect vessel.

 

[The Sach]

OP fantaics! Your point is invalid because that story belongs to different world.

Luffy solves almost everything with a punch. Characters do get a back story but after that their personality and role in the story is more or less fixed. Their fighting capacities may advance but you know exactly what kind of people they will remain till the end. The story goes with the flow touches various issues but doesn't dwell on it. All the right masala mix with female leads wearing only bras. Despite getting a lot of character back stories and details and awesome panels time to time I cannot find much interest in current OP arc because it's an echo of Alabasta arc.

It may be awesome to fight just to prove yourself a man and take it like one but sometimes some people are looking for something different from the story. I read different mangas for different reasons and when reading one I don't want that author to treat the plot in the same way as another. What's the fun in that?

Now please take further OP mention to OP section. It's highly annoying when people bring that over here.

Well we were talking about 'Is it okay for main villains to have a change of heart', so I don't think giving an example of OP is kinda irrelevant here. People do compare One Piece and Naruto because they are basically based on the same concept of 'changing the world', and nothing is 'pure' or perfectly correct and I do love Naruto, but let me ask you a simple thing, what Naruto did in last chapter? He just punched Obito, when Obito said that, 'I don't want to come on your side', so how does that make him different from a protagonist who solves everything using 'punches'??
TNJ someone if they don't agree with you, then punch them, gg Naruto..:|
But let's leave it here, it's opinion at the end of the day..
Talking about Naruto, recall the number of antagonists stayed 'villains' till the end, I can hardly think about Hidan, Kakuzu, Deidara and list ends(add Kabuto if you want to). I don't think none of them contributed to the story significantly to call them 'main villain', so at the end of the day point stays, Naruto is becoming repetitive. Naruto fights with main villains and then TNJ's them, same happened with Nagato, and now same is happening with Obito.:yeah: