slimreaper
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he said he'd "always" own sasuke.
the definition of always
at all times; on all occasions.
I then proceeded to show two occasions where sasuke was the better. get it now?
Sasuke is still holding back to match Naruto in power
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the definition of always
at all times; on all occasions.
I then proceeded to show two occasions where sasuke was the better. get it now?
You are almost as slow as I am.
Just stahp... Can't you tell he's going along with the main theme of the thread; Sasuke vs naruto in this current time? You're the only one who brought up a past time Naruto and Sasuke fought. It wasn't even mentioned before.
BTW don't take this seriously bro.
Uchihajin Sasuke
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Oh here is Sasuke's inaugurating "pwngage" of Naruto Lol He took him down in just one move! Lol
So its the other way around, so much for the delusional nardards these days...
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So its the other way around, so much for the delusional nardards these days...
You are right about 1 thing, the Manga does not lie and the manga says PS < 50% Kurama's power.
We all know Madara said only "The Bijuu" have power comparable to the PS which means all the Bijuus can cause the same amount of destruction as PS (
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) so the 1 tails even have that much power. Since 1 Bijuu can do he same damage as PS and Yang Kurama was able to match the power of 5 fully powered Bijuus, this means Kurama has at least 5x the destructive power than PS. This was done after Naruto wasted a ton of chakra before, he split his chakra 1/13th by making 12 clones to fight in each battle field so at full power Yang Kurama is even stronger (
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). BSM is SM and BM combined, since BM is acting as base for BSM, you balance the same amount of natural energy as BM chakra you have so at full power, Yang Kurama would have chakra equal to full Kurama plus the enhancement that SM gives. Naruto has never been at full power because he's been fighting for 2-3 days straight and asked Yin kurama for chakra both times he went BSM. Also Hashirama only noticed the PS and BSM combined, it had nothing to do with Susanoo alone.
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As you said, Manga does not lie!! XD
I guess this demolishes your "so called Sasuke holding back to match with Naruto" theory XD
Sasuke clearly says that Naruto is able to handle so much chakra "effortlessly". This shows that Sasuke already got powerups like Perfect Susano'o up his sleeve but didn't have control over it properly so he was holding back those things. Whereas in case of Naruto, he was able to handle chakra more clearly than Sasuke.
Sasuke then says, "Just.. how far have you..." This also indicates that he either found out that Naruto is equal to him in power levels or a little bit ahead of him.
After his arrival on the battlefield, we have mostly seen him shocked with Naruto's progress which made him ONLY JEALOUS of Naruto because Naruto has reached equal to his level and more importantly got a better chakra handling than him.
When Sasuke called out for Naruto (when Naruto was drained out by the God Tree), he knew that Naruto is the only one who got a better and effective chance to fight Obito than Sasuke along with Juugo's Senjutsu chakra. He himself wasn't sure whether what he's doing with Juugo's Senjutsu chakra will work or not. So, he called out Naruto.
And why Sasuke revealed the PS slowly and steadily?
I don't want to say but I guess, Sasuke was trying to use in PS under Kyuubi's influence so that he could stabilize his PS.
Even now, he knows that Naruto got the chance of pulling the Bijuus out of Obito and hence Sasuke lend him a hand.
I guess this demolishes your "so called Sasuke holding back to match with Naruto" theory XD
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Sasuke clearly says that Naruto is able to handle so much chakra "effortlessly". This shows that Sasuke already got powerups like Perfect Susano'o up his sleeve but didn't have control over it properly so he was holding back those things. Whereas in case of Naruto, he was able to handle chakra more clearly than Sasuke.
Sasuke then says, "Just.. how far have you..." This also indicates that he either found out that Naruto is equal to him in power levels or a little bit ahead of him.
After his arrival on the battlefield, we have mostly seen him shocked with Naruto's progress which made him ONLY JEALOUS of Naruto because Naruto has reached equal to his level and more importantly got a better chakra handling than him.
When Sasuke called out for Naruto (when Naruto was drained out by the God Tree), he knew that Naruto is the only one who got a better and effective chance to fight Obito than Sasuke along with Juugo's Senjutsu chakra. He himself wasn't sure whether what he's doing with Juugo's Senjutsu chakra will work or not. So, he called out Naruto.
And why Sasuke revealed the PS slowly and steadily?
I don't want to say but I guess, Sasuke was trying to use in PS under Kyuubi's influence so that he could stabilize his PS.
Even now, he knows that Naruto got the chance of pulling the Bijuus out of Obito and hence Sasuke lend him a hand.
Oh, you mean in the first scan where Naruto lt Sasuke win by not fatally wounding him? Naruto said himself that he wasn't going to kill Sasuke and said he'll bring Sasuke back even if he has to break his arms and legs. (
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) Naruto could have done the same as Sasuke and impale him instead of scratching his headband but stated he didn't want to kill Sasuke.Or the second scan where Naruto was weakened from going 4 tails and almost killing Orochimaru who was in better condition than he was when Sasuke had to surprise attack a bedridden Orochimaru. Next time use a scan where Naruto doesn't say he doesn't want to kill Sasuke which shows he doesn't have a killing intent or one where Naruto was already weakened from fighting someone who was stronger than Sasuke.
slimreaper
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what a fanboy. sasuke won the first and was clearly superior when using his own power. take away the curse mark and kurama and sasuke still wins the first fight.
you blame fatigue form naruto being outclassed by sasuke att oro's hideout? sasuke was clearly superior and if you don't believe it you're delusional. where do you see naruto showing signs of fatigue? where do you see naruto say hes fatigued? naruto didn't even know sasuke had moved and you're suggest he could have won? even kurama knew sasuke was superior
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you want me to make a vs thread for this fight and see how the base thinks?
Wow you called me delusional? You seem to forget the power up Sasuke got after taking that pill which unlocked the CM level 2, asuke before taking that pill was the same Sasuke who could have died by Naruto if Kakashi didn't stop their rooftop fight and Sasuke knew that after seeing behind the water tower. This is Sasuke with no curse mark before he took the pill
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So don't say Sasuke still wins when he already lost that fight and Still Naruto have no intention of killing Sasuke, Naruto would heal but Sasuke wouldn't if he got impaled.As for the second fight, wow and you call me a fanboy? If you make that thread then you'll just embarrass yourself since the manga has plenty of Scans showing that Naruto was weakened, Here's where Naruto falls over in pain and Sakura says he hasn't fully recovered yet (
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), here's Yamato saying Naruto might be able to make it back to the village cause he was going to leave him behind due to not being recovered (
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), here it shows Naruto fall and you see Naruto fall more than once (
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) Naruto said himself the damage is still there (
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) and here Naruto fall again (
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)Naruto at full power going 3 tails or 4 tails would wreck Sasuke. Yes Sasuke won but not due to being stronger.
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slimreaper
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naruto hasn't shown the ability to go 4 tails while maintaining control. this is sasuke vs naruto not sasuke vs kurama.
hebi sasuke wrecks the naruto at oro's hideout and the data book explains why.
as far as the fight at the valley of the end, sasuke is superior using his own ability. only when kurama took overdid naruto even come close
Yes Sasuke is stronger than base Naruto at that time, Naruto was high Chunin-low Jounin at that point since he trained for 2 1/2 years while Sasuke, who left earlier, trained for 3 years. Naruto's base is Jounin after beating Kakuza as Kakashi says Naruto can stand by him or even surpassed him. Kurama is Naruto's power, it's a massive body of chakra in Naruto's body so it would still be Naruto's win even if he went 4 tails. I'm not going to say all of EMS Sasuke wins would be Itachi's, all of Yamato's will be Hashirama's, and Hebi Sasuke's wins Orochimaru or Juugo's wins.
Also 3 tails form can beat Sasuke if we're going by power. Naruto using Kurama's initial form (what he used against Neji), it would increase his speed to match Sasuke's and kid Naruto blew away Kid Sasuke's fire ball jutsu. Tail cloak power matched CM level 2 so tails would put Naruto ahead. Also Sasuke couldn't read Bee in 3 tails mode except when he was moving in a linear movement and had Karin track his movements. Well 9 tails > 8 tails even if it's only 50% Kurama, Kurama is said to have limitless chakra and the 8 tails already commented how powerful Kurama is.
slimreaper
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sasuke would just suppress naruto from going 4 tails
they were equal at the valley but sasuke was tougher. naruto failed to keep his promise to break every bone in sasuke's body so he is weaker mentally
Please. All there is to your argument is a misinterpretation of a statement.
Naruto's feats far outclass Sasuke's. But don't worry, it's Sasuke's turn to take the lead after Obito's finished.
But until then, Naruto > Sasuke
Naruto's feats far outclass Sasuke's. But don't worry, it's Sasuke's turn to take the lead after Obito's finished.
But until then, Naruto > Sasuke
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Lol whatchu mean ALL the biju he still needs Ichibi and Hachibi and what doe having all the biju in him have to do with becoming the SOSP the biju originated from the Jyubi....PS= Bijuu's agree, but not Bijuu's jinchurikia jinchriki is much more stronger than bijuu alone
Besides Naruto will become SO6P with the power of all the bijuu's.
In that case sasuke's enton will be ineffective against Onmyoudon.
And what makes you think Sasuke could suppress it? Only time Sasuke ever suppressed Kurama was when Naruto was going to suppress Kurama himself. In an actual fight, Naruto wouldn't just stand in front of Kurama's cage, just like in most of his fights, Naruto would just activate the power so that argument is invalid since Kurama was just talking to Naruto while Naruto had no intention of using that power.
Calling Naruto weak mentally? Wasn't a Sasuke the weak one mentally that he got manipulated by Itachi, Orochimaru, Obito (one more than 1 occasion), and almost by Kabuto but Itachi told him not to listen. And if I remember it right, Sasuke was saying he was going to kill Naruto in VoTE yet he didn't so what? I proofed Naruto could have won so you're grasping at straws? Is it so hard to admit Sasuke who isn't the main character can lose to the ninja who has near limitless chakra source sealed in him?
slimreaper
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If naruto isn't in control then naruto isn't getting the win. naruto would never let the kyuubi rampage unless he knows he's going to die. best case scenario for naruto is a tie. so that argument is invalid.
naruto is weak in a different way than sasuke. sasuke is easily manipulated but has what it takes to make the tough decisions( why he would be a better hokage) naruto made one promise and broke it because he was took weak to carry it out.
in base sasuke> was great than naruto
then naruto got a boost and became better than sasuke
then sasuke gained the full sharingan again besting naruto
then naruto got the 1 tailed form besting sasuke
then sasuke powered up. logic dictates that that power up would again put sasuke above naruto thus sasuke at vote>above naruto
That's a BS statement. I agree with everything else you're saying, but that's just ludicrous to say.
Sasuke does not have what it takes to make tough decisions. His whole life he dedicated himself to revenge, which is a childish way to live your life. Al Sasuke cares about is his own goals, which is why he would be a horrible Hokage. Until Naruto sheds some light on him of course.
Wrong, Naruto actually let Kurama take over when he was angered or felt extreme emotional pain, not only because he was going to die, he tells this to the toads. Also since Sasuke would be fighting to kill Naruto, he's highly likely to push Naruto into going 4 tails because Natuto new not to go 4 tails yet still did when Orochimaru egged him on.
And I see you forgot that base Sasuke was only stronger due to taking the pill that the sound 4 gave him, before that Naruto was stronger in base since he could have killed Sasuke on the rooftop. You seem to not care when Sasuke gets a power up but when Naruto uses his power you deem it not his power. If it's in their arsenal then it's there power. Naruto actually worked to learn to use Kurama's power so it's his. Even if Kurama takes over, look at the CM, it slowly turns the person into Orochimaru slave, it eats up at the person's body, and it made then evil (Sasuke first use made him dark and unlike his self at that time).
And you saying the power ups made Sasuke stronger than Naruto in the VoTE but Naruto had 3 power up in the present chapters so you're saying Sasuke is 2 levels behind Naruto then. Also I see you chose to ignore the fact that Naruto was fight the sound 4 with his group before fighting Sasuke so it's not like he was at full power. He even went initial Kurama chakra on Kimminaru.
As for the weak comment, unlike Sasuke Naruto chose the harder path and lived they the pain and hardship and made others accept him. Gaara who was in the dark even chose to work hard and earn his village's acknowledgement which changed Gaara for the better.
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