1) Your wrong when you say Jugo can create small clones, he didnt create the zetsu clones from sasuke by putting his chakra into him... he forced them to come out by pumping his chakra into sasuke... Kabuto had those Zetsu clones hide inside of sasuke to keep an eye on him, Juubo merely forced them to get out of Sasuke. With that said all of the comparisons you make between the Juubi and Jugo are lack luster at best. Nothing too convincing and most seem like a bit of a stretch, like saying the Juubi healed Obito when the Juubi had no reason to, Obito healed himself. On top of that just because 2 people can heal that doesnt mean there is a link between the 2...
2) I read the rest of the thread, i wasnt really impressed by anything inparticular, its a decent thread but its just too much conjecture. No hard facts or observations. One can argue whether a random mark that appears on Jugo's arm is his clan symbol and why it would appear. One could argue whether or not Juugo is related to the juubi, each one of the supposed similarities you propose are questionable at best, and 100 bad arguments dont add up to become 1 good argument.
3) Alas we see your faulty logic at play once again in the Madara Gunbai section.
A) Madaras Gunbai provides a good defense
B) Jugo has a good defense when using senjutsu
C) Therefore Madaras Gunbai uses Senjutsu
But if we rewrite this in its basic elements we get:
A) Person A has a good defense
B) Person B attains a good defense through Senjutsu
C) Therefore person A uses Senjutsu
But the only parameter for this is Person A having a good defense, therefore all people with a good defense also use senjutsu? Its just not logical...
And thats really what happens throughout your thread, its a bunch of things that kind of make sense but really dont when critisized. But some parts do seem like they could be legitimate, but they were just presented wrong.
I feel as though if you had reoworked the thread, did some more research found some legitemate conection between the Juubi and Jugo, and removed all the nonsense filler that doesnt really link Jugo to the Juubi but you probably added anyways to try and make your argument seem stronger, then you might have something here.
When I saw your comment I knew it's going to be full of logic, and I do agree with your Juugo point, since me and chatte already had a lot of talk about how to interpret that symbol on Juugo's hand.
@OP-I expected you to do more research on it..:yeah:
Kaguya - Regular chick - Eats Juubi's Fruit (Is Blessed with powers)
Has a son who bares the chakra as well, seals Juubi and then have two children. Thus passing down the essences of Kaguya's Fruit and the Juubi's genetic material. That is why they have that relationship.
Kaguya - Regular chick - Eats Juubi's Fruit (Is Blessed with powers)
Has a son who bares the chakra as well, seals Juubi and then have two children. Thus passing down the essences of Kaguya's Fruit and the Juubi's genetic material. That is why they have that relationship.
first of all + rep for the effort, clean theory, well done bro *_*
now i can't say that i can agree on everything you mentioned there (some parts are kind of confusing, the point of this ...........) BUT, i must say that this statement "the human-like Gedo statue, might have actually pre-dated the Ten tails" is very interesting (in more ways than the ones you mentioned).
the same can be said about "Madara's Gunbai", if there's anything that i don't like in some of theories around here, it would be RELYING ON SIMILAR SYMBOLS AS EVIDENCE (that has been proven wrong over and over/not very reliable), some times i think that Kishi himself doesn't know what each symbol means (completely random/meaningless/scratches).
but that was an interesting read, an overall great theory =D
first of all + rep for the effort, clean theory, well done bro *_*
now i can't say that i can agree on everything you mentioned there (some parts are kind of confusing, the point of this ...........) BUT, i must say that this statement "the human-like Gedo statue, might have actually pre-dated the Ten tails" is very interesting (in more ways than the ones you mentioned).
the same can be said about "Madara's Gunbai", if there's anything that i don't like in some of theories around here, it would be RELYING ON SIMILAR SYMBOLS AS EVIDENCE (that has been proven wrong over and over/not very reliable), some times i think that Kishi himself doesn't know what each symbol means (completely random/meaningless/scratches).
but that was an interesting read, an overall great theory =D
This theory is to Unlock some of the secrets of Jugo and his clan..Not to worry this is a short one!
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Jugo's Clan Secret:
Symbolic Relationship:
Jugo's hand symbol is the same symbol present on the back of the slate of The god tree:
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Note:The ability Comparison mentioned below is based on similarity not on exact comprehension!
Similar and exact are 2 different things! Abilities Similarity Comparison between Juubi and Jugo:
1)Juubi can create new arms from its body:See middle panel:
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Sasuke's cursed seal mark allows him to create new arms from his body too:This is a property of jugo's natural energy:
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Remark:
The cursed mark seal was given by Orochimaru to Sasuke!
The cursed was infused with jugo's Natural Energy and orochimaru's Senjutsu chakra!
2)Juubi can Create Small beasts mostly looking similar to each other like clones from his body:
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Jugo Can create Clones looking bodies too:He created this time from sasuke's body:
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In this pic,jugo was pumping natural energy into Sasuke to create out zetsu clones,In the same manner juubi was pumping natural energy within himself to pull out the small beasts!
The mechanism is similar only the entities are different!
3)Juubi can absorb chakra with its body by just touching his enemies:
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Jugo can absorb Chakra too with its body by just touching his enemies:See last panel:
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Note:I know that juubi's body is mokuton and jugo's body is something else...but still they share the same properties!
4)Jugo can undergo physical alterations by absorbing Natural energy:
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Juubi's jinchuuriki can undergo physical alterations too:
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5)Jugo demonstrates the ability to heal extremely harsh wounds instantly. He heals sasuke nearly instantly from a fatal wound by donating Senjutsu chakra through his flesh:
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This is the same as juubi does:He heals the wounds on obito too quickly through his chakra:I think juubi must be healing obito with nature energy as juubi is made up of nature energy!
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6)They also share a similar ability in the power to "detach" flesh.
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7)10 tails' "flesh absorption" was very similar to Orochimaru's body transfer jutsu:
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8)In both instances, the Sharingan was able to take control of the situation.
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Relation Of Jugo to So6p and Juubi:
Kabuto said that the jugo's power source came from the ryuchidou cave:
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And jugo's abilties are similar to dat of juubi!
Wat i Think is The senjutsu too originated from the juubi!
From this pic..kabuto says that with dragon sage mode,he can become close to SO6P.And This sage mode belongs to ryuchiodu caves which is the origin of jugo's abilities!
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I can tel more that Jugo too has got some relation with the S06p as S06p was the second to use Senjutsu next to juubi!
May be jugo's clan has got some relation with juubi too or they may have derived juubi's cells the way hashirama got an unique trait of mokuton which is the body of the Juubi!
Juubi is completely made up of Natural energy:
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As kabuto said Jugo's clan Only use Natural energy:
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Juubi is always suffering side effects. It's a rampaging beast, just like Juugo in his berserk mode.
Morely,i can tell jugo's clan pos and other cursed marked people possess a piece of juubi's body:
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The small beasts share many characteristics and their bodies are malleable like when jugo gave some of his body to heal sasuke's wound. They both have zetsu like qualities as well.
It is suggested that the human-like Gedo statue, might have actually pre-dated the Ten tails. Reason being, the "statue's" appearance is fairly specific: a human-like person with nine eyes.
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When Obito caused the statue to transform, it not only lost it's "identity" chakra and absorbed natural energy, but also appeared just like a user of Sage transformation would, with black sclera.
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The Gedo statue I believe, is under a temporary Sage transformation, and it is very similar to the conditions of Jugo's Sage transformation, where they appear to develop destructive personalities.
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Analytical Reason:
One of extra reasons can be this:
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All the symbols that are present on the The god tree's picture reflect the symbols of famous clans!
So,why cant The image of juugo's hand be the symbol of juugo's clan?
From all the evidences mentioned above i can say that the juugo's clan symbol is:
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Madara's Gunbai secret:
Madara's Gunbai's symbol is same as the symbol of cursed mark seal given by jugo:
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Madara's Gunbai acts as a good defense when Madara's chakra is channelled through it:
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Jugo's senjutsu chakra acts a good Defense:He can create a shield By undergoing physical alteration..this Shield was able to hold against raikage's Punch attack!
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Apart from that when jugo combined his natural energy with sasuke's chakra,the defense and offence attacks of susanoo increased:see last panel:
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It just so happens that Sasuke's Susano'o bears a [likely intentional] resemblance to Jugo's transformation.
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The next thing I came across, was that the way Sasuke [Or anyone] could use Susanoo, was via a partial manifestation, similar to the Curse's partial transformation.
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Looking more closely, the Susano'o's Yamabushi Tengu and Karasu Tengu transformations have a "scale" style to their arms. The perfect Susano'o takes this to the extreme.
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This was very similar to the style of "scale" used for the Sage transformations.
So,I think that Madara's gunbai uses Natural Energy as a defense Medium!
The reason why i connected Curse mark's Symbol with Uchihas is:Uchihas are Most compatible with Curse Mark seal:
Jugo transferred his flesh into Sasuke in an effort to save his life. It was after this event that Sasuke's chakra took a change, becoming "colder" and "thicker" than when he was using the Cursed seal.
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Similarly to how Sage mode is described, Sasuke's body can react to his "extra dark chakra".
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Remark:
In this part The properties were compared,not the Material!
Conclusion:
1.Jugo's clan possess some of the abilities of the juubi!
2.Jugo's clan is linked to so6p as Kabuto said he became close to s06p when he perfected Dragon sage mode!
3.Jugo's clan symbol is unveiled!
4.Madara's Gunbai uses Natural Energy as a Defense Medium!
The symbol on Juugo's hand has three concentric circles, whereas the symbol behind the god tree has two concentric circles inside a square. They're similar, but definitely not the same.
The Rinegan symbol has 6 concentric circles as seen
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on the bottom left panel. Just pointing this out for the hell of it. So...yeah.
Anyway, the rest of your theory was interesting but it lacks logical reasoning and an actual conclusion. Try refining it a bit. Kudos for the effort though.
The symbol on Juugo's hand has three concentric circles, whereas the symbol behind the god tree has two concentric circles inside a square. They're similar, but definitely not the same.
The Rinegan symbol has 6 concentric circles as seen
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on the bottom left panel. Just pointing this out for the hell of it. So...yeah.
Anyway, the rest of your theory was interesting but it lacks logical reasoning and an actual conclusion. Try refining it a bit. Kudos for the effort though.
Neither is the second...or the first, for that matter. Did you honestly not nice that? Since all three lines are incomplete, then by your logic, none of them can be taken as reference. And neither can any of the other scans that show concentric circles on Juugo's hand, since all of the others also have incomplete lines. Which means that's the symbol next to the god tree relief drawing and the one on Juugo's hand are still not the same...even by your own reasoning.
Neither is the second...or the first, for that matter. Did you honestly not nice that? Since all three lines are incomplete, then by your logic, none of them can be taken as reference. And neither can any of the other scans that show concentric circles on Juugo's hand, since all of the others also have incomplete lines. Which means that's the symbol next to the god tree relief drawing and the one on Juugo's hand are still not the same...even by your own reasoning.
