It didn't affect WB though did it? Hence it doesn't affect those with comparable strength or superior strength. Oda even stated this in an SBS (can't remember which one ; but if someone can find it that'd be great). And by the looks of things it didn't even effect Jozu (probably about as strong as the current M3).
It didn't affect WB though did it? Hence it doesn't affect those with comparable strength or superior strength. Oda even stated this in an SBS (can't remember which one ; but if someone can find it that'd be great). And by the looks of things it didn't even effect Jozu (probably about as strong as the current M3).
It didn't affect WB though did it? Hence it doesn't affect those with comparable strength or superior strength. Oda even stated this in an SBS (can't remember which one ; but if someone can find it that'd be great). And by the looks of things it didn't even effect Jozu (probably about as strong as the current M3).
Well first of all, it was just a clash. I'm sure we would of even the actual potential of King's haki if they had a small skirmish but obviously Oda wants to save that for later on. Also notice that Shanks isn't as physically strong as WB yet he was able to clash with WB's strike with just one hand. Why? Cause of his haki. Haki plays an important role even with King's haki too. Oda wouldn't introduce a rare type of haki only to knock out fodders and damage surrounding enviroenments, there's a lot more to be revealed. I'm pretty sure Shanks could achieve the title of WGS/WSS if he wanted to. He doesn't seem interested in that stuff, he's more a laid back & relaxed. So saying that Mihawk has that title doesn't really mean as much as evidence from the manga, which Ziggy & many others has shown to you.
Well first of all, it was just a clash. I'm sure we would of even the actual potential of King's haki if they had a small skirmish but obviously Oda wants to save that for later on. Also notice that Shanks isn't as physically strong as WB yet he was able to clash with WB's strike with just one hand. Why? Cause of his haki. Haki plays an important role even with King's haki too. Oda wouldn't introduce a rare type of haki only to knock out fodders and damage surrounding enviroenments, there's a lot more to be revealed. I'm pretty sure Shanks could achieve the title of WGS/WSS if he wanted to. He doesn't seem interested in that stuff, he's more a laid back & relaxed. So saying that Mihawk has that title doesn't really mean as much as evidence from the manga, which Ziggy & many others has shown to you.
How can the worlds strongest swordsman be weaker than a fellow swordsman? That just makes no sense! Not just that but Zoro's gotta surpass Mihawk to become the strongest. Not Shanks.
This is swordsmenship only. Mihawk is better than shanks in swordplay but that's it. I pretty sure that Shanks is greater than Mihawk in haki, Speed, power, endurance..etc...
This is swordsmenship only. Mihawk is better than shanks in swordplay but that's it. I pretty sure that Shanks is greater than Mihawk in haki, Speed, power, endurance..etc...
This is swordsmenship only. Mihawk is better than shanks in swordplay but that's it. I pretty sure that Shanks is greater than Mihawk in haki, Speed, power, endurance..etc...
For the thousand time, those things you mentioned are part of swordsmanship like any other fvcking fighting style. What do you think Mihawk and Zoro will to determine the one that deserves the title? Call on Vegeta with his modified scouter to see which one is the better swordsman?
I swear to god, 99.9% of the Shanks supporters like to dismiss the titles of the world's strongest man Whitebeard and the world's strongest swordsman Mihawk and say Shanks was stronger than them? When asked why is that so "Shanks is not interested in that shit."
For the thousand time, those things you mentioned are part of swordsmanship like any other fvcking fighting style. What do you think Mihawk and Zoro will to determine the one that deserves the title? Call on Vegeta with his modified scouter to see which one is the better swordsman?
Y are u being serious..?
Is there any rule for the WSS to be better at Haki than all other SM's..?
He said that Shanks is better ,that dosen't mean that Mihawk can't use them ...Give WB a sword to fight & let him fight Mihawk now tell me who is better at using sword & who is better at using Haki & other stuf that he mentioned in prv post..?
By feats Shanks is better than Mihawk at using Haki ..
It is not that hard to understand that Old WB can't win against Shanks ,not only Shanks ..he can't win against Dragon as well as Mihawk ...That title is nothing but BS if u ask me.....commonsense Bro...
the world's strongest swordsman Mihawk and say Shanks was stronger than them? When asked why is that so "Shanks is not interested in that shit."
Y are u being serious..?
Is there any rule for the WSS to be better at Haki than all other SM's..?
He said that Shanks is better ,that dosen't mean that Mihawk can't use them ...Give WB a sword to fight & let him fight Mihawk now tell me who is better at using sword & who is better at using Haki & other stuf that he mentioned in prv post..?
You acting as if Whitebeard using a sword is different from his bisento. That's not even his main power, he is a quake man. Heck, Shanks can be the best haki user in the entire manga. What you need to understand is, that would not make him stronger than Mihawk because if it did, then the man who knows this manga better than all of us has been lying the whole time and the point of Zoro's goal is nothing but a big fat lie.
By feats Shanks is better than Mihawk at using Haki ..
By feats Sanji is better than Kid at using haki. Feats aren't everything you go by, especially in a match up like this.
It is not that hard to understand that Old WB can't win against Shanks ,not only Shanks ..he can't win against Dragon as well as Mihawk ...That title is nothing but BS if u ask me.....commonsense Bro...
Sparks would do nothing to Mihawk. And besides it may have damaged the ship but it didn't even have the slightest effect on Jozu (whom is fodder to Mihawk)
Nope. Shanks used Haki as soon as he boarded the ship.
I'm sure we would of even the actual potential of King's haki if they had a small skirmish but obviously Oda wants to save that for later on. Also notice that Shanks isn't as physically strong as WB yet he was able to clash with WB's strike with just one hand.
How do you know Shanks doesn't have monster strength? Zoro does but his biceps aren't like Jozus. Strength never seems to coincide with appearance.
Why? Cause of his haki. Haki plays an important role even with King's haki too. Oda wouldn't introduce a rare type of haki only to knock out fodders and damage surrounding enviroenments, there's a lot more to be revealed.
Most likely a lot more. But it's so rare because it is so convenient in battle against superior numbers.
I'm pretty sure Shanks could achieve the title of WGS/WSS if he wanted to. He doesn't seem interested in that stuff, he's more a laid back & relaxed. So saying that Mihawk has that title doesn't really mean as much as evidence from the manga, which Ziggy & many others has shown to you.
Mihawk was labeled the worlds strongest swordsman by the rest of the world. It wasn't Mihawks choice to choose his title. He worked to achieve it ; but he can't self proclaim to be the WSS. On the other hand we have Shanks (also a swordsman) who is not labeled the worlds strongest swordsman: proof that the world acknowledges Mihawk as the stronger individual in combat. (You can't just say swordsmanship as WSS is worlds strongest and now worlds most skillful, this is another one of the silly arguments your side comes up with.)
Mihawk has speed feets, power feets and his reputation about his eyes shows that he may have Haoshoku Haki, using it more like Kenpachi Zaraki in comparison to Rayleigh. However this is just my speculation. Point is that they rival eachother so why would Shanks be superior in every aspect of fighting? Stupidity at its finest!
For the thousand time, those things you mentioned are part of swordsmanship like any other fvcking fighting style. What do you think Mihawk and Zoro will to determine the one that deserves the title? Call on Vegeta with his modified scouter to see which one is the better swordsman?
I swear to god, 99.9% of the Shanks supporters like to dismiss the titles of the world's strongest man Whitebeard and the world's strongest swordsman Mihawk and say Shanks was stronger than them? When asked why is that so "Shanks is not interested in that shit."
Where? When? Don't post such drivel for arguments sakes.
,that dosen't mean that Mihawk can't use them ...Give WB a sword to fight & let him fight Mihawk now tell me who is better at using sword & who is better at using Haki & other stuf that he mentioned in prv post..?
Whitebeard uses a Bisento. He isn't a swordsman , simply being given a sword doesn't make you a swordsman , you need consistent practice of using the sword.
By feats Shanks is better than Mihawk at using Haki ..
By feats you cannot compare until Mihawk shows feats of Haki. But it's obvious he has Haki otherwise he would be weaker than the M3. And obviously pathetic in comparison to his title. He even taught Zoro Haki.
It is not that hard to understand that Old WB can't win against Shanks ,not only Shanks ..he can't win against Dragon as well as Mihawk ...That title is nothing but BS if u ask me.....commonsense Bro...
Well if you look at his attitude to the fight in which the Iceburg slash occured:
[video=youtube;VbIYbAKzS3k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbIYbAKzS3k[/video]
A simple slash. Now what bro?
Funny thing is it is actually a 180° swing infused with Haki
You acting as if Whitebeard using a sword is different from his bisento. That's not even his main power, he is a quake man. Heck, Shanks can be the best haki user in the entire manga. What you need to understand is, that would not make him stronger than Mihawk because if it did, then the man who knows this manga better than all of us has been lying the whole time and the point of Zoro's goal is nothing but a big fat lie.
By feats Sanji is better than Kid at using haki. Feats aren't everything you go by, especially in a match up like this.
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Mihawk doesn't even need to try to fight pre Luffy.
To add to that: Why does Zoro need to Surpass Mihawk and not Shanks?
Answer me that guys! Come on! (And if you say because he has the title it's evidence that the world acknowledges Mihawk as the stronger fighter).
Bro Shanks has great Haki but since he rivals Mihawk , his Haki is minimally on the same level.
Sparks would do nothing to Mihawk. And besides it may have damaged the ship but it didn't even have the slightest effect on Jozu (whom is fodder to Mihawk)
Nope. Shanks used Haki as soon as he boarded the ship.
How do you know Shanks doesn't have monster strength? Zoro does but his biceps aren't like Jozus. Strength never seems to coincide with appearance.
Most likely a lot more. But it's so rare because it is so convenient in battle against superior numbers.
Mihawk was labeled the worlds strongest swordsman by the rest of the world. It wasn't Mihawks choice to choose his title. He worked to achieve it ; but he can't self proclaim to be the WSS. On the other hand we have Shanks (also a swordsman) who is not labeled the worlds strongest swordsman: proof that the world acknowledges Mihawk as the stronger individual in combat. (You can't just say swordsmanship as WSS is worlds strongest and now worlds most skillful, this is another one of the silly arguments your side comes up with.)
Yeah they pretty much just did.
Look above at my response. The ones dragging it are the ones who provide the arguments and that is Yo Momma San.
Yes it is. And Shanks only uses swords. So that is irrelevant.
That's not "it". The title is strength and not skill. So Mihawk is stronger than shanks regardless of skill.
Mihawk has speed feets, power feets and his reputation about his eyes shows that he may have Haoshoku Haki, using it more like Kenpachi Zaraki in comparison to Rayleigh. However this is just my speculation. Point is that they rival eachother so why would Shanks be superior in every aspect of fighting? Stupidity at its finest!
May have been but the point was incorrect as proven.
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It is truly pathetic. And then they say he isn't even a swordsman!
Yes. You clearly are too. Didn't you want to not drag this out because congrats on doing just that!
Well... since he is stronger than them all...
Where? When? Don't post such drivel for arguments sakes.
Whitebeard uses a Bisento. He isn't a swordsman , simply being given a sword doesn't make you a swordsman , you need consistent practice of using the sword.
By feats you cannot compare until Mihawk shows feats of Haki. But it's obvious he has Haki otherwise he would be weaker than the M3. And obviously pathetic in comparison to his title. He even taught Zoro Haki.
The title isn't BS. That's another statement for arguments sakes. Seriously!? Come up with better ones next time.
Well if you look at his attitude to the fight in which the Iceburg slash occured:
[video=youtube;VbIYbAKzS3k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbIYbAKzS3k[/video]
A simple slash. Now what bro?
Yeah, and? We don't even know if he used Haki in the slash.
Just proved how impressive a feat it is considering it was a half assed attack.
To add to that: Why does Zoro need to Surpass Mihawk and not Shanks?
Answer me that guys! Come on! (And if you say because he has the title it's evidence that the world acknowledges Mihawk as the stronger fighter).
Bro Shanks has great Haki but since he rivals Mihawk , his Haki is minimally on the same level.
My point of dragging WB is not to prove that he is a SM or anything ..I said that to hint that one can be a better Haki user even if he is not better at "Swordsmanship" ...Shanks might be a better Haki user but he is still below Mihawk when it comes to Swinging Sword accordingly that is what Iam saying ...U ignored it completly since it is against u r argument...
So u actually belive that Old WB can win against Shanks,Mihawk and Dragon..?
So he managed to break that Iceberg without using Haki..?
Where did I said that he can't use Haki in the first place..?
Yes, I don't want to drag this thats y Iam not saying any of them is stronger than the other &that's y didn't responded to u guys since I knw that it is useless...
Yes Iam being serious that's Y iam being arrogant & bashing u guys by using words like F**ng....
You acting as if Whitebeard using a sword is different from his bisento. That's not even his main power, he is a quake man. Heck, Shanks can be the best haki user in the entire manga. What you need to understand is, that would not make him stronger than Mihawk because if it did, then the man who knows this manga better than all of us has been lying the whole time and the point of Zoro's goal is nothing but a big fat lie.
Read my responce to Rinne then u can understand y I dragged WB to this aggument& I don't remember saying that Shanks is stronger I just supported the possibility of Shanks being superior Haki user...Read carefully...
By feats Sanji is better than Kid at using haki. Feats aren't everything you go by, especially in a match up like this.
yo dudes and dudets, someone pliz answer me this - does Shanks know/posses/use hakairyoku yo speculation and theories r okay though better when coupled with some manga stuff.
My point of dragging WB is not to prove that he is a SM or anything ..I said that to hint that one can be a better Haki user even if he is not better at "Swordsmanship" ...Shanks might be a better Haki user but he is still below Mihawk when it comes to Swinging Sword that is what Iam saying ...U ignored it completly since it is against u r argument...
Hence why I responded to it DIRECTLY , right?
WSS refers to strength , I speculate that the two are equals in the use of the two prominent types of Haki with Mihawk as the more skilled and therefore more deadly and stronger swordsman. Since WSS refers to strength I don't see why you're denying it when you know this. If WSS was referring to skill then why is it that Mihawk is acknowledged for his strength? He also has the title of greatest swordsman which means that not only is he the WSS (STRONGEST > Shanks) but Greatest (Including Skill, code of honor etc. > Shanks).
Yes, I don't want to drag this thats y Iam not saying any of them is stronger than the other & didn't responded to u guys since I knw that it is useless...
No evidence = no point. If you talk about something a character said atleast provide the evidence. Until then it's an illegitimate claim.
Scans?
Care to give us some evidence for your point?
Hence why I responded to it DIRECTLY , right?
WSS refers to strength , I speculate that the two are equals in the use of the two prominent types of Haki with Mihawk as the more skilled and therefore more deadly and stronger swordsman. Since WSS refers to strength I don't see why you're denying it when you know this. If WSS was referring to skill then why is it that Mihawk is acknowledged for his strength? He also has the title of greatest swordsman which means that not only is he the WSS (STRONGEST > Shanks) but Greatest (Including Skill, code of honor etc. > Shanks).
Then why post since you provide a stimulus for a debate?
U r not even reading the argument Iam referring to Jiraya lives not manga ...
I speculate that Shanks is better at using Haki, same as u did but our opinions are dif from eachother...
u r yet to prove that Shanks is nothing but a SM then I'll be the first one to admit that Mihawk is stronger...I don't knw abt u but I still don't knw wether Shanks only depends on Sword or can do smtng other than that ....I don't want to admit that now Since no one in Manga labeled him as a SM ...
U r not even reading the argument Iam referring to Jiraya lives not manga ...
I speculate that Shanks is better at using Haki, same as u did but our opinions are dif from eachother...
u r yet to prove that Shanks is nothing but a SM then I'll be the first one to admit that Mihawk is stronger...I don't knw abt u but I still don't knw wether Shanks only depends on Sword or can do smtng other than that ....I don't want to admit that now Since no one in Manga labeled him as a SM ...
When I said that Shanks is Superior Haki user based on what we have seen , u r rep to me is that it is too early to conclude that & we have to see more feats to say that & now my responce to u r post is same ...
We don't knw WB is a DF user untill MF war
We don't knw Kizaru is skilled at Swordsmanship untill his fight with Dark king'
Zoro a fodder compared to Shanks is famous as a SM
Vista is famous as a SM...
But Shanks who rivaled Mihawk is not famous for as a SM & no one labeled him as a SM...
For me Sword for Shanks is same as bisento for WB ...nothing but a weapon to fight and they both are skilled at using it...
Shanks rivaled Mihawk about 10-12 Y ago ..probably Mihawk is not the strongest at that time & he would have achieved that title during this 12y time spam which means that he never fought Shanks to prove that he is a better one...We don't knw how much they improved after that ....who knws...May be Shanks would have Improved other kind fighting skills during that time...
That's y Iam saying that it is too early to conclude that....
Read my responce to Rinne then u can understand y I dragged WB to this aggument& I don't remember saying that Shanks is stronger I just supported the possibility of Shanks being superior Haki user...Read carefully...
Shanks being better in haki wouldn't make him stronger than Mihawk in this case since Mihawk is stated to be the strongest swordsman. So using WB as an example is irrelevant. Is that difficult to comprehend? Mihawk = WSS -> Zoro defeats him -> Zoro without a doubt strongest swordsman. Not the opposite.
Ocourse that is when u see some feats from Kid u can say that Sanji is better ...
Huh? We saw no feats from Whitebeard until the war. I guess this means Rayleigh is the better haki user since we saw him fight an admiral according to your logic. Doesn't work like that
Current Luffy can stomp his old self without putting any effort. Current Luffy would be stomped by Mihawk. Mihawk does not need to put in any effort in beating pre timeskip Luffy. That's the plot shield for you
You can't just assume someone has a secret fighting style when the said person has been portrayed as a swordsman. World's strongest man means the one with the title can beat anyone in a fight. World's strongest swordsman means the one with the title can beat anyone in a sword fight. That shouldn't be difficult to understand.
