[Theory] How the Ōtsutsuki Tribe Became The Uzumaki Clan

[Mr Hiru]

Alright, I see what you mean.

I, fully disagree.
Simply because, no one has ever shown me or posted any evidence of the Uzumaki Clan and Uchiha Clan sharing similar traits.
Until I see that, I won't even consider it a possibility.

I still think Sir Derp Obito's theory is plausible, because there is no proof against that relationship. But if there is no proof supporting it, then I call it a possibility. If there is a proof in favor of a relationship between the Uchiha and the Uzumaki, this would become a fact that would strengthen Sir Derp Obito's theory, and I'll be very happy for him.

To dose who say The Uzumaki are only related to the Senju this is false, sines the Eider and Younger brother were related by Blood to their father the SO6P so any relative of the SO6P is relative to the Two Sons. Naruto Uzumaki is a distant cousin to Tsunade Senju and Uchiha Sasuke and Obito.

the Younger and Elder Sons are literally the Yin and the Yang of the Juubi created with Creation of All Things like the Bijuus, that is why their powers are so evenly split, it's because their conception was not biological, but mystical.

Argue with him, do not with me. I only found a flaw on his logic and put it on the table.

 

[Raekwon26]

I still think Sir Derp Obito's theory is plausible, because there is no proof against that relationship. But if there is no proof supporting it, then I call it a possibility. If there is a proof in favor of a relationship between the Uchiha and the Uzumaki, this would become a fact that would strengthen Sir Derp Obito's theory, and I'll be very happy for him.



Argue with him, do not with me.

Maybe.
But, it's never been hinted they share anything with the Uchiha at all.

I need to see the similar traits they share for me to consider it.
I mean, it's been said that the Sage passed down traits to both of his sons, how can he be an Uzumaki if he only apparently shares traits with only one son?
It contradicts the entire thing.

I'm not arguing with you, just presenting my position because I've asked this question plenty of times and no one has ever answered it.=D

 

[Honord Sage]

If you go right now to any court record room in the world you will be surprise to how many people Emancipated themselves from their original family Name its in the millions and thats not counting Actors and Actresses who do it like the average person changes socks.

 

[rollin]

Again, do the Uzumaki Clan share any traits with the Uchiha Clan?

they don't
naruto an uzumaki's chakra signature is the exact opposite of sasuke a uchiha

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naruto sucks at genjutsu

 

[Mr Hiru]

Maybe.
But, it's never been hinted they share anything with the Uchiha at all.

I need to see the similar traits they share for me to consider it.
I mean, it's been said that the Sage passed down traits to both of his sons, how can he be an Uzumaki if he only apparently shares traits with only one son?
It contradicts the entire thing.

I'm not arguing with you, just presenting my position because I've asked this question plenty of times and no one has ever answered it.=D

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The only thing I guess is that... the Spiral, from the Elder Doujutsu to the Uzumaki Clan Symbol. But that's only a symbol and nothing explicit.

If you go right now to any court record room in the world you will be surprise to how many people Emancipated themselves from their original family Name its in the millions and thats not counting Actors and Actresses who do it like the average person changes socks.

Ah, but that's real life, not Narutoverse. Oh wait, Minato put the Uzumaki surname to Naruto... XD.

Anyways, as I said, it can be a possibility. But argue with Sir Derp, he was the one who bought the Mystical conception of the sons, something that breaks the possibility of the Uzumaki being the ancestors of the Senju and Uchiha.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Maybe.
But, it's never been hinted they share anything with the Uchiha at all.

Actually there is, when the Uchiha Tablet was needed for the Uzumaki Shinigami Mask to activate and summon the Reaper:

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[Raekwon26]

Actually there is, when the Uchiha Tablet was needed for the Uzumaki Shinigami Mask to activate and summon the Reaper:

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NO. That is not trait.

Again, show me the traits that the Uzumaki and Uchiha clan share.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

NO. That is not trait.

Again, show me the traits that the Uzumaki and Uchiha clan share.

The powers of the Uchiha Sharingan directly came from the Juubi, as Mokuton directly came from the Juubi in the Senju side.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Actually there is, when the Uchiha Tablet was needed for the Uzumaki Shinigami Mask to activate and summon the Reaper:

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I forgot this one. Yes, this is a huge tie between these clans (at least in terms of knowledge).

 

[Raekwon26]

The powers of the Uchiha Sharingan directly came from the Juubi, as Mokuton directly came from the Juubi in the Senju side.

I'm asking a simple question;
What are the traits that the Uchiha and Uzumaki share?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Nagato is Uzumaki, but Nagato is from the Senju Bloodline, ERGO...

The Uzumaki came from the Senju Bloodline. It can't be more explicit than that.

:| the end.

Lineage just means blood relations not descent

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It doesn't mean Nagato, nor his clan descended from the Senju Ancestor.

Anyone, who is able to read the raw will tell say that Zetsu used the word Ketsuen which simply means blood relative, not Shison which pertains to descent:

Sorry Sasuke2, but you're wrong. Try to read original Japanese manga Naruto especially if your theory is based on one word. Here:

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Here we have chapter you mentioned (Chapter 606):

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Now carefully look at Zetsu's words. Ser Derp Obito is right about this chapter. Zetsu used word 血縁 written in hiragana like this けつえん. And this word has only two meanings:
1) blood relative or relationship
2) consanguinity

I would also like to add that the Viz Translation said Hagoromo was the Forefather of Shinobi which means Founder of the Shinobi Sect:

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It does not refer to blood relations, it only meant that Hagoromo founded the sect of Shinobi, the same way Jesus founded Christianity.

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A founder/forefather is a person who is from an earlier time and has originated or contributed to a common tradition shared by a particular group.

 

[PIOLO]

ALL WAS FACT AND EASY TO AGREE.......AS IT IS AND ALWAYS EXPECTED NO OTHER THAN LEGENDARY NARUTOBASE MEMBER, SIR DERP OBITO "KABAYAN"

PROUD OF YOU.......NO LESS NO MORE, EPIC, PRECISED, AWESOME IDEA

 

[Flawž]

Indeed nice thread Derp. I also believe the Sage started the uzumaki clan or is relevant to it somehow.

 

[VongolaX]

Uzamaki is related to the sage as much as the sarutobi clan is related to Hagrmoo.

He is the father of all clans

It just started from senju and uchiha

It explains why madara and obito was able to use yin yang release just by being uchiha + senju

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Uzamaki is related to the sage as much as the sarutobi clan is related to Hagrmoo.

He is the father of all clans

It just started from senju and uchiha

It explains why madara and obito was able to use yin yang release just by being uchiha + senju

No, he is the founder of the Shinobi Sect, not the Blood Ancestor of all Shinobi:

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One does not preach his teachings to other people only for those blood related to him being capable of wielding chakra and Ninjutsu, if that was the case he need not have preached, he would've just mated with several dozen women to make chakra-infused babies.

Logically, aside from teaching other people the concepts of Chakra, he also gave them Chakra to utilize in the first place.

 

[KingHashirama]

Not really, DeadManWonderland who has extensive knowledge on Genealogy already pointed out, more than a year ago, that the Uzumaki is the original bloodline of the Sage of the Six Paths based on Zetsu's statement:

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The original bloodline, is the Uzumaki bloodline, the Ootsutsuki and Uzumaki bloodline are one and the same.

Applying real life genealogy to a Manga does not really matter... Someone who doesn't even study genealogy can figure it out.

When the Uzumaki clan is classified as "SENJU LINEAGE".... why do you question it? It is like me question that the Sage was a Senju.. not an Uchiha and w.e is written in the manga is all just a lie. The fact you need to compare "spirals" (the most used symbol in the series) to show their relationship to the sage.. kind of shows how weak the argument is.

 

[Armathyx]

Using Sir Derp Obito's previous theory, that can be explained (not my style to prove things based on theories, but I guess this is necessary in this case). Let me tell in advance Frikid that your questioning is absolutely interesting.

Uzumaki Clan (until now) DO NOT share traits with the Uchiha Clan.



(I discarded the part about the Uzumaki being the ancestors, since it was already stated in the manga that the true ancestors were the Ōtsutsuki).

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Sir Derp Obito stated in his theory that the Younger Son holds the Yang and the Elder Son the Yin. If Uzumaki Clan is relative to the Senju, Uzumaki Clan can't share ANY trait to the Uchiha, because by rational logic, Senju and Uchiha are mutual exclusive, this means any clan related to the Senju can't be related to the Uchiha, unless at some point they had a relationship between both Elder and Younger Son bloodlines (something that discard the possibility of Hagoromo's bloodline becoming directly the Uzumaki Clan).

Let's play:

A = Younger Son (Senju Ancestor)
B = Elder Son (Uchiha Ancestor)
A + B = Ten Tails Jinchuuriki Sage of Six Paths, the complete entity.
C = Uzumaki

A = !B (The Elder Son is the complement of the Younger Son).

C => A (Uzumaki Clan is distant relative to the Senju)

Ergo...

C => !B (Uzumaki Clan implies it is related only to Non-Uchiha Clan).

... Conclusion: Uchiha Clan is not related to Uzumaki, taking in mind Sir Derp Obito's belief.

And as Amenonuboko is the halbard that was wield by Izanami and Izanagi due the first link Sir Derp Obito posted (and in manga both Izanami and Izanagi are Uchiha Jutsus) then Nonuboko is not related to the Uzumaki. Geez, even Hagoromo would not be directly related to that clan, because he only had two sons.

The manga proof that assures the Senju didn't come from the Uzumaki but the other way is clear...

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Nagato is Uzumaki, but Nagato is from the Senju Bloodline, ERGO...

The Uzumaki came from the Senju Bloodline. It can't be more explicit than that.

:| the end.

This completely debunks and destroys the rest of SDO's theory. I'm not surprised he just ignored your post, as he usually ignores anything that is too much a threat to his theories.

It just annoys me that, while you put effort to debunk him, the people who support him don't put any effort to help him, they just say "good theory" like sheep and move on.

Who cares anyway, SDO has been a joke since Rikudo was proven to be something else than a Uzumaki :|

 

[Kadmos1]

If the Sage or his family didn't become the Uzumaki, then I would like to know about the circles on the Sage's robe because, to me, it suggests a tie to the Uzumaki clan.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Lineage just means blood relations not descent

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It doesn't mean Nagato, nor his clan descended from the Senju Ancestor.

Anyone, who is able to read the raw will tell say that Zetsu used the word Ketsuen which simply means blood relative, not Shison which pertains to descent:

You almost got me, but I remembered something... Lineage only considers a line of ancestry as its structural form (a line), consanguinity does not, it considers a tree.

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Instead of bringing the definition of consanguinity, I'll directly put you the definition of Lineage (since this is the key word on topic).

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As you can see, Lineage (from line, a line of blood) refers exclusively to a line of blood referring to ancestors in a line. Let's compare with consanguinity.

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Consanguinity considers lineage as a single case, but that goes only in one way. Lineage is a type of consanguinity, but consanguinity is not necessarily a lineage. Consanguinity considers a relationship through marriage (so can tie members of families with different traits), Lineage does not. Consanguinity also considers all the ties on a tree form family, Lineage only considers a line.

Finally, my statement of Nagato being related to the Senju and not to the Uchiha stays intact (until Kishimoto states the contrary... which if the contrary is the case, your theory will be even more strong than it actually is).

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Consanguinity considers lineage as a single case, but that goes only in one way. Lineage is a type of consanguinity, but consanguinity is not necessarily a lineage. Consanguinity considers a relationship through marriage (so can tie members of families with different traits), Lineage does not. Consanguinity also considers all the ties on a tree form family, Lineage only considers a line.

Finally, my statement of Nagato being related to the Senju and not to the Uchiha stays at it is (until Kishimoto states the contrary... which if the contrary is the case, your theory will be even more strong than it actually is).

If you don't believe me then look at the raw:

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What word did Zetsu say? it's 血縁 or Ketsuen which means Blood Relationship, so in context of Zetsu's use of the word Lineage in the english translation it simply means Nagato is a blood relative of the Senju, not a descendant, and especially not referring to his clan as descendants.

Ketsuen - Blood Relationship - Lineage.

One cannot argue that the Uzumakis descended from the Younger Son, the Uzumakis are distant blood relatives of the Senju, not descendants of the Senju Ancestor.