[Theory] How the Ōtsutsuki Tribe Became The Uzumaki Clan

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

See, this is what i'm talking about. Going around in circles.
Uzumaki and Senju share a similar trait; Their strong Life Force.
If the Sage is an Uzumaki, he would also share a trait with his other son, The Uchiha Clan.

I'm not talking about their Doujutsu or Mokuton, they come from the Juubi, I know.
BUT,
What trait do the Uzumaki and Uchiha clan share?
How can he only share ONE trait with ONE son? It makes no sense.

The mistake is the incorrect attribution of the source of their powers. The Uzumaki's longevity and life force did not come from the Younger Son, it came as an inherent trait of the Uzumaki Clan over time from their Ohzuzuki Ancestors, the Younger Son's strong will and body are attributes directly from the Juubi's Yang, the zenith manifestation of this Yang power is Mokuton, the same way the Zenith powers of the Juubi's Yin is the MS and EMS. What the Senjus share in common are their strong bodies, which come from the Juubi's Yang, what all Uchihas share in commonality is the base Sharingan, which comes from the Juubi's Yin. In Summation: The Uchiha and Senju powers come directly from the Juubi, the Uzumaki's attributes does not. It came from their Ohzuzuki Ancestors.

 

[tysoncs]

I will pm some of the important evidences later...i do know this from earlier..
however ur theory isnt full correct for sure...i will try my best to help u..

 

[UnrealSoul]

I applaud this man's aggression to prove his theory. I on the other hand can't seem to follow this theory sense the dna formula being trashed.

Still a great theory but not a fact sense the manga states otherwise.

 

[Dragon Master]

Hagoromo is the first human who created the Shinobi World with his Nunoboko Sword.

Nice theory.
I doubt your theory will come true, but don't get your hopes up.

 

[Frikid]

Just curious to know.

IF uzumaki are distant blood relatives of senju, they should be distant blood relative of uchiha as well because both of these clan arise from so6p's offspring .
But uzumaki were never stated to be related to the uchiha.

Its post #42
you didn't answer this derp.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Its post #42
you didn't answer this derp.

Kishimoto is merely obfuscating that fact to avoid hinting the relationship the Uzumakis have with both Senju and Uchiha, for once it is firmly established that the Uzumakis have connections with not only one, but both of the Sage's sons' clans then anyone can easily deduce that Uzumaki is the original bloodline of the Sage.

Like the example I've shown about the Uchiha Tablet being needed to activate the Mask to summon and unseal the Reaper.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Kishimoto is merely obfuscating that fact to avoid hinting the relationship the Uzumakis have with both Senju and Uchiha, for once it is firmly established that the Uzumakis have connections with not only one, but both of the Sage's sons' clans then anyone can easily deduce that Uzumaki is the original bloodline of the Sage.

Like the example I've shown about the Uchiha Tablet being needed to activate the Mask to summon and unseal the Reaper.

I'll wait for this to be confirmed. For the sake of your hard work, I hope it does.

 

[Honord Sage]

We did have some misdirection from Obito a long time ago during the Kage summit arc were Obito appeared to Naruto,Kakashi and Yamato in the pat Itachi and Obito have lied to people telling haft truths so why not Madara too? It seems to be parted of the Uchiha personality trait.

 

[Mr Hiru]

We did have some misdirection from Obito a long time ago during the Kage summit arc were Obito appeared to Naruto,Kakashi and Yamato in the pat Itachi and Obito have lied to people telling haft truths so why not Madara too? It seems to be parted of the Uchiha personality trait.

Lol that's harsh.

 

[Armathyx]

Kishimoto is merely obfuscating that fact to avoid hinting the relationship the Uzumakis have with both Senju and Uchiha, for once it is firmly established that the Uzumakis have connections with not only one, but both of the Sage's sons' clans then anyone can easily deduce that Uzumaki is the original bloodline of the Sage.

Like the example I've shown about the Uchiha Tablet being needed to activate the Mask to summon and unseal the Reaper.

Give me 1 single trait they exclusively - that is to say, not something also shared with other clans like "they have are humans" - share in common.

 

[SeBa]

intresting

 

[Frikid]

Kishimoto is merely obfuscating that fact to avoid hinting the relationship the Uzumakis have with both Senju and Uchiha, for once it is firmly established that the Uzumakis have connections with not only one, but both of the Sage's sons' clans then anyone can easily deduce that Uzumaki is the original bloodline of the Sage.

Like the example I've shown about the Uchiha Tablet being needed to activate the Mask to summon and unseal the Reaper.

ok....

not exactly what i was looking for. i guess any relation between uchiha and uzumaki has not been revealed yet.

 

[Imperius]

The sad thing is that, you're probably more into Naruto then Kishi himself.

 

[Amantius]

You are absolutely right derp. what people fail to understand is that Naruto is the main character which the story and pages follows 24/7, So he had to have a superior clan or lineage than anyone else in the story. My guess the sage of 6path change the orgin of the clan to Uzumaki to protect the secrets and his rebirth. If people knew this, they would seek to destroy the entire clan which they almost did. (worldpool island wouldn't be wipe out for no reason.) kinda make's sense how there is literally no senju's around or Uchiha's or uzumaki in terms of population. The 3 strongest descendant to the 6path him self, wiped out. As for the people who claim uzumaki and uchiha's and senju are not related, it's all in the ****ing swirls. And to prove that the uzumaki is a higher bloodline than both uchiha's and senju= the entire Leaf flat jacket has the Uzumaki logo on it.(even the damn headband) ask yourself, why would a clan out of the uchiha and senju be praise so much?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

I would also like to point out that Kaguya was not stated to have any other children other than Hagoromo, and in keeping up with parallels, Hagoromo was most probably an only child just like Naruto, and by kinship I meant Rikudou's blood relatives outside of his immediate family, like his cousin, or his cousin twice removed and so forth, much like how Nagato and Karin are distant kin of Naruto.

You are absolutely right derp. what people fail to understand is that Naruto is the main character which the story and pages follows 24/7, So he had to have a superior clan or lineage than anyone else in the story. My guess the sage of 6path change the orgin of the clan to Uzumaki to protect the secrets and his rebirth. If people knew this, they would seek to destroy the entire clan which they almost did. (worldpool island wouldn't be wipe out for no reason.) kinda make's sense how there is literally no senju's around or Uchiha's or uzumaki in terms of population. The 3 strongest descendant to the 6path him self, wiped out. As for the people who claim uzumaki and uchiha's and senju are not related, it's all in the ****ing swirls. And to prove that the uzumaki is a higher bloodline than both uchiha's and senju= the entire Leaf flat jacket has the Uzumaki logo on it.(even the damn headband) ask yourself, why would a clan out of the uchiha and senju be praise so much?

Thank you, there is no doubt that Naruto is Rikudou's reincarnation:

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Kurama even asked the other Bijuus for confirmation.

 

[Mr Hiru]

I would also like to point out that Kaguya was not stated to have any other children other than Hagoromo, and in keeping up with parallels, Hagoromo was most probably an only child just like Naruto, and by kinship I meant Rikudou's blood relatives outside of his immediate family, like his cousin, or his cousin twice removed and so forth, much like how Nagato and Karin are distant kin of Naruto.

Under your logic...

The Senju Clan branching in another clan was not stated.
Kaguya didn't have another son other than Hagoromo, because it was not stated.

I shall remind too that...

It was not stated the Uzumaki being distant relatives to the Uchiha.
It was not stated the Ootsutsuki became the Uzumaki.

...So, instead of denying things because they are not stated, I would invite you to give proof of these things being impossible, because if we talk about things that have not been stated, you're doing the same to make theories (remember, making a theory is state a possibility). It is a bad practice to tell that things are not stated without proof, you lose some credibility.

It is just something to take in consideration for the sake of argumentation, since I respect you and the effort you put on your insightful theories.

Peace my friend.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Kaguya didn't have another son other than Hagoromo, because it was not stated.

It is rather farfetched that Kaguya had any other children, why mention Hagoromo only? wouldn't Madara have mentioned that Kaguya's children (plural) were the first ones to be naturally born with Chakra?

Why would the official translation use "And the one who stopped it was Kaguya's child" instead of "And the one who stopped it was one of Kaguya's children" or "And the one who stopped it was a child of Kaguya" if she indeed have other children?

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Why no mention or grammatical indications of the princess'es other issues? because there are none but Hagoromo, Occam's Razor.

 

[Mr Hiru]

It is very farfetched that Kaguya had any other children, why mention Hagoromo only? wouldn't Madara have mentioned that Kaguya's children (plural) were the first ones to be naturally born with Chakra?

Why would the official translation use "And the one who stopped it was Kaguya's child" instead of "And the one who stopped it was one of Kaguya's children" or "And the one who stopped it was a child of Kaguya" if she indeed have other children?

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Why no mention or grammatical indications of the princess'es other issues? because there are none but Hagoromo, Occam's Razor.

Not hard really. If Hagoromo had big brothers/sisters who was born before Kaguya would eat the fruit, this Big brother wouldn't inherit chakra due timeline. So in fact Kaguya would have two children (or more) and only Hagoromo would have participated in the process of stopping the Juubi would be Hagoromo.

Putting some of your own possibility (which sounds good for me), Hagoromo could give chakra to these brothers/sisters, but what if only Hagoromo tried to stop the beast alone? It still sounds right gramatically. In the end, the manga is referring to the child who inherited chakra, that's generative grammar, not that hard to understand.

I also understand your feel to alude to simplicity, but closing possibilities is way overdoing it, and moreover... it's even risky for your theory.

But that's all. It's just an advice, nothing more.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

Not hard really. If Hagoromo had big brothers/sisters who was born before Kaguya would eat the fruit, this Big brother wouldn't inherit chakra due timeline. So in fact Kaguya would have two children (or more) and only Hagoromo would have participated in the process of stopping the Juubi would be Hagoromo.

Putting some of your own possibility (which sounds good for me), Hagoromo could give chakra to these brothers/sisters, but what if only Hagoromo tried to stop the beast alone? It still sounds right gramatically. In the end, the manga is referring to the child who inherited chakra, that's generative grammar, not that hard to understand.

I also understand your feel to alude to simplicity, but closing possibilities is way overdoing it, and moreover... it's even risky for your theory.

But that's all. It's just an advice, nothing more.

Very farfetched and unlikely, and from the Manga's literary standpoint superfluous, also based on the parallelism between Naruto and Hagoromo it's more logical and likely that he is an only child like the former is.

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And tbh if Hagoromo had elder brothers and sisters the grammatical structure would be "And the one who stopped it was that child of Kaguya" (referring to her offspring who inherited the Shinju's Chakra to differentiate him from Kaguya's other non-naturally chakra-infused children that preceded Hagoromo) or "And the one who stopped it was that particular child of Kaguya"

 

[Filo]

Under your logic...

The Senju Clan branching in another clan was not stated.
Kaguya didn't have another son other than Hagoromo, because it was not stated.

I shall remind too that...

It was not stated the Uzumaki being distant relatives to the Uchiha.
It was not stated the Ootsutsuki became the Uzumaki.

...So, instead of denying things because they are not stated, I would invite you to give proof of these things being impossible, because if we talk about things that have not been stated, you're doing the same to make theories (remember, making a theory is state a possibility). It is a bad practice to tell that things are not stated without proof, you lose some credibility.

It is just something to take in consideration for the sake of argumentation, since I respect you and the effort you put on your insightful theories.

Peace my friend.

This is ridiculous that people don't understand. Uchiha and Senju clans came from the two brothers. If Uzumaki is distantly related to Senju then Uzumaki is also distantly related to Uchiha automatically! Come on now... Uzumaki would be slightly closer to the Senju, but they would also have to be related to the Uchiha.