[Discussion] Mihawk>Shanks?

[Bogard]

Until the manga specifically states Mihawk is stronger than Shanks, there's no logical reason to assume he is.

Mihawk is Zoro's goal, Shanks is Luffy's.

Mihawk was a minor player in the war, Shanks' arrival ended it.

Mihawk is one of seven Shichibuki (several of whom are quite weak), Shanks is one of four Yonko (all of whom are top tier).

Neither of them have enough actual feats to judge off of, so the only way you can compare them is based on circumstantial evidence or hype. Shanks clearly wins based off of those things.

Mihawk is the strongest swordsman. How can the strongest swordsman be weaker than a fellow swordsman?

Yonkou-Shichibukai argument really? You realise Yonkou have crew, right? A loner like Mihawk is uncapable to defend territories like Yonkou can. Without a crew, Shanks would have never been a yonkou to begin with

If All Shichibukai were yonkou level, the balance would have never existed since 7Yonkou level > 4Yonkou level. Obviously there would be weaker Shichibukai than other for this balance to exist

 

[ziggyZ]

This is one of the longest discussion I have ever witnessed in the OP section, but everybody is going around in circles with their arguments.

Well this is the greatest debate among the OP-fanbase. In fact, in the more intelligent forums, they have their own "Official Shanks vs. Mihawk" thread.

 

[Kuzan]

Mihawk is the strongest swordsman. How can the strongest swordsman be weaker than a fellow swordsman?

He is actually the greatest swordsman, which (IMO) implies his swordsmanship is the best, but it doesnt take into consideration the other factors of combat such as: speed, haki and physical strenght.

 

[Kuzan]

Well this is the greatest debate among the OP-fanbase. In fact, in the more intelligent forums, they have their own "Official Shanks vs. Mihawk" thread.

Do you mind giving me the name of these fora? I would like to check them out.

 

[ziggyZ]

Mihawk is the strongest swordsman. How can the strongest swordsman be weaker than a fellow swordsman?

1.) Kaido is the strongest creature ( a category which all mammals, reptiles, etc under). So how can the strongest creature be weaker than a fellow creature (WB).

2.) Read my posts in one of the earlier pages, 'cause I've explained why Mihawk is considered the WSS ans both Shanks or anyone else.

Do you mind giving me the name of these fora? I would like to check them out.

Sorry man, I'm already on two active infractions so if they see me "advertise" another forum, Ill get banned. So just search those words up on google.

 

[Bogard]

He is actually the greatest swordsman, which (IMO) implies his swordsmanship is the best, but it doesnt take into consideration the other factors of combat such as: speed, haki and physical strenght.

It's clearly stated he is the strongest in the raw scan, not greatest

世界最強の剣士 Sekai Saikyō no Kenshi, and as you can clearly see in Raw below when is introduced they are all there.

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Those characters translate to Strongest Swordsman, Saikyō in this context means strongest.

Whitebeard when introduced also has this title,

世界最強の男 Sekai Saikyō no Otoko

Notice the 最強 are in the Mihawk raw, so WB is "Worlds Strongest Man", not "Worlds Greatest Man".

 

[Typhon]

Mihawk is the strongest swordsman. How can the strongest swordsman be weaker than a fellow swordsman?

Yonkou-Shichibukai argument really? You realise Yonkou have crew, right? A loner like Mihawk is uncapable to defend territories like Yonkou can. Without a crew, Shanks would have never been a yonkou to begin with

If All Shichibukai were yonkou level, the balance would have never existed since 7Yonkou level > 4Yonkou level. Obviously there would be weaker Shichibukai than other for this balance to exist

Until the manga states Shanks is a swordsman like its has with Mihawk, Zoro, Vista, etc. all you're doing is making an assumption because it supports your argument.

The Shichibuki aren't the WG's answer to the Yonko, thats what the Admirals and Fleet Admiral are for (4 v 4). Any more Yonko level people on the Marine's side would, as you say, unbalance things.

 

[Bogard]

Until the manga states Shanks is a swordsman like its has with Mihawk, Zoro, Vista, etc. all you're doing is making an assumption because it supports your argument.

The Shichibuki aren't the WG's answer to the Yonko, thats what the Admirals and Fleet Admiral are for (4 v 4). Any more Yonko level people on the Marine's side would, as you say, unbalance things.

Is that why when Moria lost, WG was crying that balance of the world would now struggle? Saying the worse scenario happened?

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Is that why WG always want to fill a hole when one Shichibukai disappear?

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No man, Shichibukai are important for the balance of this world(all of them)

The marine headquarters AND the Shichibukai exist in order to counter balance those four

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Tell me again that Shichibukai aren't the WG's answer Lol

 

[Typhon]

Is that why when Moria lost, WG was crying that balance of the world would now struggle? Saying the worse scenario happened?

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Is that why WG always want to fill a hole when one Shichibukai disappear?

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No man, Shichibukai are important for the balance of this world(all of them)

The marine headquarters AND the Shichibukai exist in order to counter balance those four

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Tell me again that Shichibukai aren't the WG's answer Lol

So you're saying it takes the Fleet Admiral, 3 Admirals and 7 Shichibuki to counter balance the 4 Yonko, yet 1 if those 11 is stronger than 1 of the Yonko? You realize that makes no sense, right?

 

[ziggyZ]

Is that why when Moria lost, WG was crying that balance of the world would now struggle? Saying the worse scenario happened?

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Is that why WG always want to fill a hole when one Shichibukai disappear?

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No man, Shichibukai are important for the balance of this world(all of them)

The marine headquarters AND the Shichibukai exist in order to counter balance those four

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Tell me again that Shichibukai aren't the WG's answer Lol

The worst case scenario they were referring to is that a rookie has taken out two Royal Warlords. I mean, to what extent is Moria a big player in terms of battling the 4 Emperors? After-all, if you think logically, Moria's defeat isn't that
much of a deal in terns of the WG losing power. Hence why their "worst case scenario" implies a rookie who bears the 'D' is bringing Hell to them (defeating 2 RW's and destroying EL) added with the fact that each at of those occasion's, they escape the WG's grasps (Marines @Alabasta, BC, Garp, etc)

 

[Bogard]

So you're saying it takes the Fleet Admiral, 3 Admirals and 7 Shichibuki to counter balance the 4 Yonko, yet 1 if those 11 is stronger than 1 of the Yonko? You realize that makes no sense, right?

Read the manga dude. When they are talking about the peace of the world they are not talking about individual powers here only but their influence over thd world. Garp even says it on the same page. Their power is too influencial. You realise we are talking about conqueror yonkou here right? People who have thousand of territories under their control with thousand of allies and so on exactly like we have seen with WB

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

I was offline for a few days since I was put in a coma due to reading BS in this section. So your point?

I fail to see how it's relevant for you to feel the need to assert superiority over everyone else.

And as for everybody vs. you; cocky much? 'Cause I'm pretty sure there was a few people thinking Mihawk>Shanks.

Three of us. At the time it was only me online. Cocky? Coming from you , good sir.

Plus! Another funny thing; you've yet to prove anything either, lulz one.

Proven that Shanks is a swordsman. You are simply in a constant state of denial.

The only way I could've manipulated your post was if your post was weak and unstable,

You can manipulate statements by ignoring key phrases. Like how you completely ignored me saying common practice and training. Which means you couldn't construct a counter argument to my statement , a clear sign that i've found a loophole in your argument.

which it was, hence I was able to turn it around. And I "commonplace practice" falls in the category of experience, and I'm sure if someone does something for the first time, they'll attain experience (thus practice) for when they do the very thing later.

Consistent training is different from picking up a sword twice in your life. I would've thought that someone with so many d*ck riders in this thread would know this. Sadly you clearly aren't as great as the shit debaters say you are if you're incapable of comprehending a differentiation between comedic repetition and consistent usage.

A man is a creature. And Kaido is the WSC. WB is a man, thereby a creature who is wekaer since Kaido is the strongest creature. Nuff said.

That made no sense. Please reword it.... By creature they are most likely referring to either a Zoan ability or someone whom is not human (e.g. Giant,Fishman or Minkman). Whitebeard is dead ; Kaidou may have attained the title during the time skip. We don't know enough for this fail argument to have any logical relevance to the thread. Last time I checked it was WSS vs WSSS (worlds second strongest swordsman)

T Bogard has pretty much solo'd the thread by using actual evidence to back up his claims and dispel your low level arguments. good job bro!

 

[LitzSabr]

Okay bro. Let us digress from this matter for a moment or two and proceed this minor subject which is greatly relevant to your replies.

And since you aren't a fan of hype, I won't use it.

Now then, let me start with the question: who is stronger? Roger or current-Law? I say Law. Because we've seen nothing of Roger and Law cut up an entire mountain-range. So feats dictate Law mops the floor with Roger.

Now then, explain to me - without hype - why Roger is stronger.




EDIT: Feats also dictate Luffy>Shanks. Because Luffy was shown to be able to almost destroy an island-sized ship. And Shanks only shown to break a little plank on a little ship (little in-comparison to Noah).

It has been stated that Roger and Whitebeard were rivals so we can get an idea of his strength from Whitebeard's and it's easily above Law. Same in the case of Shanks (can be measure by Mihawk or from that he equalled WB in a clash).

An in that particular case, swordsman aren't just people who carry a sword, but rather people who devote their life into swordsmanship and fight with nothing but a sword(s). So for people like Shanks, it's just a weapon to aid them. And if you don't agree, then your reply on the Kaido & WB matter is redundant.

So face-it: specifically - through epithets - Kaido & Mihawk are stronger than WB & Shanks respectively; whereas OPverse-wise, the epithet doesn't hold much grounds as to who's stronger.

Shanks "fighting style" is based around swords.

Contradiction/10

Anyway, same is applied to Shanks. 'Cause theoretically, his main fighting style varies from swords to fists to feet (a la Vergo - he uses a bamboo stick as a club but also is a martial-art expert) - and most of all - to Haki (and moreover he can use is CotSK to make literal/physical shock-waves). Hence he ain't a swordsman either.

When was the last time we saw Shanks fight without his swords?
Also it is stated that Mihawk can run fear in his enemies just by looking in their eyes, so he can do that too. Now I guess he isn't a swordsman too, right?

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

It has been stated that Roger and Whitebeard were rivals so we can get an idea of his strength from Whitebeard's and it's easily above Law. Same in the case of Shanks (can be measure by Mihawk or from that he equalled WB in a clash).



Shanks "fighting style" is based around swords.



When was the last time we saw Shanks fight without his swords?
Also it is stated that Mihawk can run fear in his enemies just by looking in their eyes, so he can do that too. Now I guess he isn't a swordsman too, right?

Ziggy just got shot down.

 

[Bogard]

T Bogard has pretty much solo'd the thread by using actual evidence to back up his claims and dispel your low level arguments. good job bro!

You're welcome bro I made a compil of their arguments

Pro Shanks arguments

1- He is stronger than Mihawk because he is one of the 4 most influencial pirate in the manga(yonkou). I guess Obama is stronger than Mike Tyson because he is the most influential man in the world

2- He is stronger than Mihawk because he stopped a war against weakened opponents who already achieved their goal(killing Ace) and had absolute no reasons to continue fighting, having already have enough trouble against the WSM's crew alongside his allies and BB's crew who came later on, unless they wanted to lose more and more men uselessly

3- Shanks is stronger than Mihawk because he isn't a swordsman(otherwise he would be weaker than Mihawk the strongest swordsman), carries swords as a decoration, like swords on his jolley roger are decorations, he isn't rival of a swordsman, only use swords first in a fight because the range is greater, has a secondary fighting style which is either taekwondo, karate, or something along those lines that we don't see at the moment(having no DF)

4- Shanks is stronger than Mihawk because he was capable to split air in a clash with WB not even using his full strength(no DF at all), much more impressive that cuting a kilometer and much more dense iceberg casually without even trying

This is Shanks for you

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

You're welcome bro I made a compil of their arguments

Pro Shanks arguments

1- He is stronger than Mihawk because he is one of the 4 most influencial pirate in the manga(yonkou). I guess Obama is stronger than Mike Tyson because he is the most influential man in the world

2- He is stronger than Mihawk because he stopped a war against weakened opponents who already achieved their goal(killing Ace) and had absolute no reasons to continue fighting, having already have enough trouble against the WSM's crew alongside his allies and BB's crew who came later on, unless they wanted to lose more and more men uselessly

3- Shanks is stronger than Mihawk because he isn't a swordsman(otherwise he would be weaker than Mihawk the strongest swordsman), carries swords as a decoration, like swords on his jolley roger are decorations, he isn't rival of a swordsman, only use swords first in a fight because the range is greater, has a secondary fighting style which is either taekwondo, karate, or something along those lines that we don't see at the moment(having no DF)

4- Shanks is stronger than Mihawk because he was capable to split air in a clash with WB not even using his full strength(no DF at all), much more impressive that cuting a kilometer and much more dense iceberg casually without even trying

This is Shanks for you

Funny thing is these are the only ever arguments created to prove Shanks apparent superiority. Another one you forgot is that Shanks can use Haoshoku Haki. When people say this they forget that it only affects those with strength to that of a minute fraction of a user. Hence why it always works on fodders and never on characters stronger or in the same league (Mihawk for example) and it doesn't add to ones strength in 1v1 combat against a tough or superior opponent.

Other than that everything is summed up well.

GG guys , now for the Ace vs Luffy discussions...

 

[xcoyote]

Mihawk fangirl fantasies everywhere in this thread Lmao
Keep on goin girls,Fightooooooo.

 

[Love Cook]

Funny thing is these are the only ever arguments created to prove Shanks apparent superiority. Another one you forgot is that Shanks can use Haoshoku Haki. When people say this they forget that it only affects those with strength to that of a minute fraction of a user. Hence why it always works on fodders and never on characters stronger or in the same league (Mihawk for example) and it doesn't add to ones strength in 1v1 combat against a tough or superior opponent.

Other than that everything is summed up well.

GG guys , now for the Ace vs Luffy discussions...

Lol you clearly fail to see the potential for Haoshoku haki.

If it's the best and most rare kind, do you really think it's only used to knock out fodder ? It's already demonstrated that it can also break physical stuff. and we seen Hody shake in fear for a minute when Luffy used it and in movie z he dropped the leading marine to his knees with it. So even the stronger willed ones feel a sense of superiority when someone uses it but they don't have to go KO.

Oda confirmed that Shanks could wipe out everybody in gyoncorde plaza including hody and commanders if he used haki there so there is a different level. Shanks also used it on Whitebeards ship and said he only used a little threat but it still was enough to drop most of his crewmates.

So king's disposition will play a much bigger role then you're describing here. And for now it's confirmed that Shanks has it but Mihawk maybe doesn't. So don't brush it off just because it works better for your favorite character.

 

[Bobby Brown]

Mihawk fangirl fantasies everywhere in this thread Lmao
Keep on goin girls,Fightooooooo.

ahahahaha

no shiiit

dem fukwits

 

[Bobby Brown]

Lol you clearly fail to see the potential for Haoshoku haki.

If it's the best and most rare kind, do you really think it's only used to knock out fodder ? It's already demonstrated that it can also break physical stuff. and we seen Hody shake in fear for a minute when Luffy used it and in movie z he dropped the leading marine to his knees with it. So even the stronger willed ones feel a sense of superiority when someone uses it but they don't have to go KO.

Oda confirmed that Shanks could wipe out everybody in gyoncorde plaza including hody and commanders if he used haki there so there is a different level. Shanks also used it on Whitebeards ship and said he only used a little threat but it still was enough to drop most of his crewmates.

So king's disposition will play a much bigger role then you're describing here. And for now it's confirmed that Shanks has it but Mihawk maybe doesn't. So don't brush it off just because it works better for your favorite character.

exactly. this one guy on here explained how ch can be fused with ah to make physical force. he also said that shanks could be able to use shockwaves like fishman karate or something like shinra tensai