[Discussion] Mihawk>Shanks?

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Don't bring up old arguments. They have already been settled in the very thread and it's is no ones favor.
But dude, it's all they HAVE. What other have they done than do this? After Mihawk breaking the iceberg and Shanks splitting the sky, it's all HYPE. What other feats have they shown?
 

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I know that good sir. I mean that when Luffy surpasses Shanks , Zoro will still be inferior as he being the second strongest SH would just surpass the second strongest RH regardless of whether he cares or not : it's true. Luffy doesn't need to surpass Roger ; but he will definitely be God tier EOS as it has been foreshadowed since the very beginning of the series. For Luffy to stand as Pirate King he needs to be above his fellow Yonkou. Like Roger was above Shiki etc. It's different from a Hokage as running a village is very different from fighting off everyone in order to maintain a title.
Once again there is no need for Luffy to be as strong as Roger to be stronger than other Yonkou. I thought WB is as strong as Roger yet Roger is the PK ...Like I said BBM is irrelevant here ...Zoro isn't even vic cap to began with ..

Shanks & Hawk eye = Luffy & Zoro ..that's how it is

Do anything but don't use hype.
U can't decide characters strength without considering HYPE especially in case OP
 
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Baseless? Lel, I thoroughly explained why Mihawk is knows as the WSS. I even made your own logic backfire on you, period. So yeah, pretty baseless shit.
The funny thing is ; it's everyone vs me and nobody proved anything , i've been offline for a few hours and just got back. I will respond to everything in time...

You didn't make my logic backfire. You manipulated what I said by completely ignoring the phrase "commonplace practice" meaning regular training in the art of using a sword.

Mihawk is known as WSS because he is the WSS. Nuff said. Shanks is a swordsman and therefore weaker.
 

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The funny thing is ; it's everyone vs me and nobody proved anything , i've been offline for a few hours and just got back. I will respond to everything in time...

You didn't make my logic backfire. You manipulated what I said by completely ignoring the phrase "commonplace practice" meaning regular training in the art of using a sword.

Mihawk is known as WSS because he is the WSS. Nuff said. Shanks is a swordsman and therefore weaker.
The worlds greatest swordsman is not the same as the worlds strongest swordsman.

Thats why people say that Shanks is strongers. They just believe he is faster, has better Haki and that he has more physical strength. Worlds greatest swordsman means he has the best swordsmanship.
 

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The worlds greatest swordsman is not the same as the worlds strongest swordsman.

Thats why people say that Shanks is strongers. They just believe he is faster, has better Haki and that he has more physical strength. Worlds greatest swordsman means he has the best swordsmanship.
Greatest and Strongest are both superlatives which can refer to the same thing.
 

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The funny thing is ; it's everyone vs me and nobody proved anything , i've been offline for a few hours and just got back. I will respond to everything in time...
I was offline for a few days since I was put in a coma due to reading BS in this section. So your point?

And as for everybody vs. you; cocky much? 'Cause I'm pretty sure there was a few people thinking Mihawk>Shanks.

Plus! Another funny thing; you've yet to prove anything either, lulz one.

You didn't make my logic backfire. You manipulated what I said by completely ignoring the phrase "commonplace practice" meaning regular training in the art of using a sword.
The only way I could've manipulated your post was if your post was weak and unstable, which it was, hence I was able to turn it around. And I "commonplace practice" falls in the category of experience, and I'm sure if someone does something for the first time, they'll attain experience (thus practice) for when they do the very thing later.

Mihawk is known as WSS because he is the WSS. Nuff said. Shanks is a swordsman and therefore weaker.
A man is a creature. And Kaido is the WSC. WB is a man, thereby a creature who is wekaer since Kaido is the strongest creature. Nuff said.
 

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Yeah in a negative way.
Do anything but don't use hype.
Weak argument. Infact not an argument at all.
I'll agree woth the haki part, 'until now' we haven't seen someone with a better (Haoshoku) Haki than Shanks. But that alone doesn't make him any stronger than Mihawk. And just deducing the results on hype won't make your argument any better here. If you think there is nothing else than hype to go with and we can't to anything about it then you are free to stop the conversation.



Okay and what about it?
Okay bro. Let us digress from this matter for a moment or two and proceed this minor subject which is greatly relevant to your replies.

And since you aren't a fan of hype, I won't use it. :)

Now then, let me start with the question: who is stronger? Roger or current-Law? I say Law. Because we've seen nothing of Roger and Law cut up an entire mountain-range. So feats dictate Law mops the floor with Roger.

Now then, explain to me - without hype - why Roger is stronger.





EDIT: Feats also dictate Luffy>Shanks. Because Luffy was shown to be able to almost destroy an island-sized ship. And Shanks only shown to break a little plank on a little ship (little in-comparison to Noah).
 
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A man is a creature. And Kaido is the WSC. WB is a man, thereby a creature who is wekaer since Kaido is the strongest creature. Nuff said.
In that particular case humans weren't included. It was just to say he is the strongest non-human in this world. Just look at Nami's reaction(so he isn't human?)
 

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In that particular case humans weren't included. It was just to say he is the strongest non-human in this world. Just look at Nami's reaction(so he isn't human?)
& In this case Shanks never referted as a SM ...Ok shanks is a SM and H.E (Hawk eye) is the best & what abt Shanks..?

If H.E is the best then who is supposed to be Second strongest...?

It should be Shanks isn't it...?

But no one ever mentioned that Shanks is a SM even someone like Vista who is considerably weaker than H.E is famous for his swordsmanship but Shanks is a Qustion mark..

Let me ask u this

Who is the sniper in other words the best sniper in Shanks ship..?
It is obviously Yasopp...

But Ben beckman also holds a Gun does than Mean yasopp is stronger than BBM ..right..?

Kizaru must be a SM since he is fighting Dark king usng Swordsman style...Right..?
 

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& In this case Shanks never referted as a SM ...Ok shanks is a SM and H.E (Hawk eye) is the best & what abt Shanks..?

If H.E is the best then who is supposed to be Second strongest...?

It should be Shanks isn't it...?

But no one ever mentioned that Shanks is a SM even someone like Vista who is considerably weaker than H.E is famous for his swordsmanship but Shanks is a Qustion mark..
We never knew Vista was famous until Mihawk said it himself. Because it's not stated yet, doesn't mean Shanks isn't a famous swordsman as well, especially when we talk about someone we didn't even see fighting yet. All we know is that he was a rival of Mihawk(fellow swordsman), has a jolly roger with swords in it, always use his swords first infront of an enemy. Shanks is a swordsman. Only that in the world only the first one is acknowledged. Those who follow are usually forgotten

Who is the sniper in other words the best sniper in Shanks ship..?
It is obviously Yasopp...

But Ben beckman also holds a Gun does than Mean yasopp is stronger than BBM ..right..?
And who are you to say Yasopp isn't stronger? Because Ben Beckman is the first mate? We know practically nothing concerning power levels of Shanks crewmate. All we know is that Ben Beckman is considered to be the smartest man in the world, so in terms of intellect, he is capable to plan outcomes better than anyone by hype, but if they were to fight with guns, Yasopp would win since he is supposed to be the best in it

Kizaru must be a SM since he is fighting Dark king usng Swordsman style...Right..?
Except Kizaru isn't a swordsman. He can use swords, but it's not his main fighting style, since his fighting style is around his DF
 

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In that particular case humans weren't included. It was just to say he is the strongest non-human in this world. Just look at Nami's reaction(so he isn't human?)
An in that particular case, swordsman aren't just people who carry a sword, but rather people who devote their life into swordsmanship and fight with nothing but a sword(s). So for people like Shanks, it's just a weapon to aid them. And if you don't agree, then your reply on the Kaido & WB matter is redundant.

So face-it: specifically - through epithets - Kaido & Mihawk are stronger than WB & Shanks respectively; whereas OPverse-wise, the epithet doesn't hold much grounds as to who's stronger.
 

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An in that particular case, swordsman aren't just people who carry a sword, but rather people who devote their life into swordsmanship and fight with nothing but a sword(s). So for people like Shanks, it's just a weapon to aid them. And if you don't agree, then your reply on the Kaido & WB matter is redundant.

So face-it: specifically - through epithets - Kaido & Mihawk are stronger than WB & Shanks respectively; whereas OPverse-wise, the epithet doesn't hold much grounds as to who's stronger.
Again, Shanks doesn't only carry swords as a decoration. He use them in battle. Everytime we saw him, the first thing he did was swinging his swords to fight and that since his youth(WB even remember him using 2swords in FB). He is rival of another swordsman. There are swords on his jolley roger. He has no DF(he can swim). What else could he do? Taekwendo? Lol
 

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Except Kizaru isn't a swordsman. He can use swords, but it's not his main fighting style, since his fighting style is around his DF
Contradiction/10

Anyway, same is applied to Shanks. 'Cause theoretically, his main fighting style varies from swords to fists to feet (a la Vergo - he uses a bamboo stick as a club but also is a martial-art expert) - and most of all - to Haki (and moreover he can use is CotSK to make literal/physical shock-waves). Hence he ain't a swordsman either.
 

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Again, Shanks doesn't only carry swords as a decoration. He use them in battle. Everytime we saw him, the first thing he did was swinging his swords to fight and that since his youth(WB even remember him using 2swords in FB). He is rival of another swordsman. There are swords on his jolley roger. He has no DF(he can swim). What else could he do? Taekwendo? Lol
BB has three heads on his JR, so I guess you believe he has 3 fvcking heads eh. And as to why he uses a sword first; does Sanji use DJ right off the bat? Does Zoro use Santoryuu right off the bat? Does Luffy use his Gears right off the bat? No, none of them do. Same is with Shanks. It's easier for him to use a sword in the beginning since it has a long reach and doesn't require much effort in comparison to a punch/kick.

Furthermore, Taekwondo? Really? What does Luffy do? Karate? What does Vergo do? Kick-boxing? No, they just just fight with their body as a whole, same as Shanks.
 

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Until the manga specifically states Mihawk is stronger than Shanks, there's no logical reason to assume he is.

Mihawk is Zoro's goal, Shanks is Luffy's.

Mihawk was a minor player in the war, Shanks' arrival ended it.

Mihawk is one of seven Shichibuki (several of whom are quite weak), Shanks is one of four Yonko (all of whom are top tier).

Neither of them have enough actual feats to judge off of, so the only way you can compare them is based on circumstantial evidence or hype. Shanks clearly wins based off of those things.
 

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Until the manga specifically states Mihawk is stronger than Shanks, there's no logical reason to assume he is.

Mihawk is Zoro's goal, Shanks is Luffy's.

Mihawk was a minor player in the war, Shanks' arrival ended it.

Mihawk is one of seven Shichibuki (several of whom are quite weak), Shanks is one of four Yonko (all of whom are top tier).

Neither of them have enough actual feats to judge off of, so the only way you can compare them is based on circumstantial evidence or hype. Shanks clearly wins based off of those things.
This has been posted so many times on this thread but people still think Mihawk>Shanks and want us o prove otherwise, even though they can't prove Mihawk>Shanks. Lol
 

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This is one of the longest discussion I have ever witnessed in the OP section, but everybody is going around in circles with their arguments.
 
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